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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The BEN HUR Edition 7th July 2012

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Gedson100

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Just been pondering the 'double session training' ITK and wondering who'd be up for it.

Keen:
Sandro (just loves fitness stuff/karate kid)
Parker (might get tired but has 'hearts-on-sleeves' rep to live up to and seems like a good soldier)
Walker (rumours of neg attitude to Redknapp 'run around a bit' style and is pretty fit and keen)
Bale (seems to want to match his hype, runs all day, hard worker)
Sigurdsson / Verts / Caulker (New boys, want to impress teacher)
Defoe (did extra homework before last season so must be keen)
Livermore ('trains his nuts off')
Young players (this is your time lads!)

Maybes:
Adebayor (could be wrong but just seems a horizontal kinda guy, rumoured to be part of Walker/Gallas anti-Redknapp no training clique)
BAE (As he emphasises: this is his job so should just do as told, but might not be too up for it, who knows)
VDV (Just seems like he might get a bit chippy but has winning attitude so might muck in)
Kaboul (the man's a wall and I've no insight into whether he's a keen trainer or not)


Fuck this for a game of soldiers:
Lennon (maybe but i'm only basing this on his crying off rep)
Thudd (surely can't fancy it)

Who else is there? Dawson, Gio, Bentley, Jenas?

Overall, think we'll be OK.
Any thoughts/insights?

This exercise has proven to me we need some more players, but they'll all be well briefed so all is OK.

Any thoughts/insight?
 

matrixity

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I still hope Sahin can be tossed into the Modric deal. He said he wanted to stay, but hopefully Madrid will tell him he aint gonna play if he stays so might as well move to North London.

Optimistic i know, but just rate him higher than Moutinho.

Sorry but Sahin is a no go. No chance hes leaving Madrid at least this season. If not Moutinho, i can see us going for someone like Dembele or Diego.
 

danielneeds

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Just been pondering the 'double session training' ITK and wondering who'd be up for it.

Keen:
Sandro (just loves fitness stuff/karate kid)
Parker (might get tired but has 'hearts-on-sleeves' rep to live up to and seems like a good soldier)
Walker (rumours of neg attitude to Redknapp 'run around a bit' style and is pretty fit and keen)
Bale (seems to want to match his hype, runs all day, hard worker)
Sigurdsson / Verts / Caulker (New boys, want to impress teacher)
Defoe (did extra homework before last season so must be keen)
Livermore ('trains his nuts off')
Young players (this is your time lads!)

Maybes:
Adebayor (could be wrong but just seems a horizontal kinda guy, rumoured to be part of Walker/Gallas anti-Redknapp no training clique)
BAE (As he emphasises: this is his job so should just do as told, but might not be too up for it, who knows)
VDV (Just seems like he might get a bit chippy but has winning attitude so might muck in)
Kaboul (the man's a wall and I've no insight into whether he's a keen trainer or not)


Fuck this for a game of soldiers:
Lennon (maybe but i'm only basing this on his crying off rep)
Thudd (surely can't fancy it)

Who else is there? Dawson, Gio, Bentley, Jenas?

Overall, think we'll be OK.
Any thoughts/insights?

This exercise has proven to me we need some more players, but they'll all be on board so all is OK.

Any thoughts/insight?
Most of the players who have played abroad like, VDV, Sandro, etc, will be quite used to it, it's only really clubs in England that do one session a day.
 

ChristianBaler

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Hudd's has already started his preseason a week early so he is keen..........

I can imagine VDV, Kaboul and Adebayor will all been keen as well. VDV especially given what he's experienced at Ajax, AVB will suit his style ie training.
 

danielneeds

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I wouldn't pay more than £15m for Moutinho personally. Having watched him at Porto quite a bit, I would describe him as neat and tidy but not much more. He receives the ball fairly well and gives it simple but thats not £25m worth. He's not a patch on Modric imo and I actually think Dembele would do a better job for us in that postion for less money. He's got more in his game.
I'm not sure if Moutinho is just "tidy," he really ran the midfield for Portugal in the Euros. Haven't seen enough of Porto in the last couple of years to pass comment overall, but I would suggest it is also vital for AVB to get on board someone who really understands and believes his footballing philosophy, particularly in the crucial position of midfield distributor.
 

LLPaulJ

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I would be worried if both Hudd and Daws were not too keen on the double session that have been rumored to be planned. Both of them missed the whole of last season practically, they must be chomping at the bit to get back into the team and playing again after such lengthy lay offs.
 

Sum Monsterism

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Moutinho is worth whatever we end up paying... For a player to have excelled under and be so openly positive about AVB can only be a good thing and will immediately neutralise any media concocted stories about unhappiness within our squad: the current players will recognise that he adds a new dimension, they'll be happy that levy is spending big to improve the squad and the player will aid a quick integration of new tactics.​
signing ade plus one other striker will make us a very formidable prospect. big things could be coming. :cry::):sick:
I LOVE AVB! I LOVE LEVY! I LOVE SC! I LOVE THFC and most of all
I LOVE US DOING OUR TRANSFERS EARLY!
 

Hitch

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Sorry but Sahin is a no go. No chance hes leaving Madrid at least this season. If not Moutinho, i can see us going for someone like Dembele or Diego.

I haven't seen Diego playing deep ala Modric before. On the other hand I'd love Dembele. However, I do wonder if he possesses the requisite level of tactical intelligence to play such a deep lying role in a strict AVB 433. I think that's a quality in Moutinho that likely holds a great deal of appeal for us.
 

Roynie

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Lots of info over the last few hours and, for what it's worth, here's my take on stuff:

Double training sessions: As others have said there were roumors that some of the players weren't happy that there was no training on set pieces last season, and not enough on tactics. So IMHO a double training session would be especially useful if one was fitness and the second was dead ball situations and tactics.

Early signings: it makes sense to me that when you have a new managers he would want all signings done asap so they they can all get the benefit of his take on tactics, formations etc.

Moutinho: Haven't seen him play and don't know him, so I don't know if he's any good. Other here say he is so I will accept that. In addition, if AVB wants him he would, obviously, fit in with AVB's system.

Modric: IMHO if DL puts the block on Modric leaving again this years he will knuckle down like he did last year. I could be that under a more defined system of playing he could improve....?

VDV & Sylvie: No-one knows what goes on in their relationship - apart from them. As regards her response to a twitter question, she's damned if she does answer and damned if she doesn't. All that will have happened is that she would have been given an inkling of how the fans feel about VDV. It's will have no effect on his decision as to whether he goes or not, unless there is a real problem in their relationship, and there seems to be no evidence in that.
 

Mr Pink

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Moutinho is definitely better than just a tidy player, he certainly makes the game look easy....sometimes this can get confused with all due respect. His passing is first class, and its certainly of the progressive sense. A bit more bite than Modric off the ball as well.
 

monkeynick

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I've no doubt that Moutinho is a fine player but I don't see him as a Modric replacement.
Modric sets the tempo for the whole team and I still don't think alot of people (mainly non spurs fans) realise how good he is.
Hopefully the AVB way doesn't require one player to hold such a pivotal role.
 

Sum Monsterism

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Moutinho is definitely better than just a tidy player, he certainly makes the game look easy....sometimes this can get confused with all due respect. His passing is first class, and its certainly of the progressive sense. A bit more bite than Modric off the ball as well.

He'll kick a gooner or two if needs be. That's enough.
 

Mr Pink

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I've no doubt that Moutinho is a fine player but I don't see him as a Modric replacement.
Modric sets the tempo for the whole team and I still don't think alot of people (mainly non spurs fans) realise how good he is.
Hopefully the AVB way doesn't require one player to hold such a pivotal role.

Yes he's not identical in any sense, but in terms of of distributing the ball and moving it forward to good affect...there are similarities in that respect.
 

panoma

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Board at Porto aint gonna let Moutinho go cheap though, can see it drag on unless Levy decides its worth more to get the important players in early and pay a little over the odds.

Since in my opinion we simply must get the key players in early this summer. New coach and a new system, so imortant we get a good pre season so all are on the same page.
 

jushin3

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Yea, it's worth the trade off. Doesn't quite have the range of passing or close control Modric has, but is more than good enough with the defensive qualities Modric doesn't have to make it worthwhile.
 

aRTy

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Prof at COYS posted an info dump from Galahad the Gnome (COYSequivalent of the Goat):


VDV: "We've made lots of efforts to land Sylvie with some TV work over here since arriving, but without success. Feeling is that he doesn't want to go, but while she was initially ok with the traveling to and fro, she's not sure about now."

Let's make a proper spurs tv channel like some of the other teams have and get her presenting on there! win, win! That moutinho info is great as he's probably one of the few realistic names we could get to replace modders.
 

Mr1r15h

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I've no doubt that Moutinho is a fine player but I don't see him as a Modric replacement.
Modric sets the tempo for the whole team and I still don't think alot of people (mainly non spurs fans) realise how good he is.
Hopefully the AVB way doesn't require one player to hold such a pivotal role.
I've seen the guy play a fair amount for both Portugal and for Porto and He'd make a fantastic replacement for Modric. For Porto especially, he is the guy who dictates the tempo of the game, never mind just the team! On the whole they are very similar players indeed, but I would say Moutinho doesn't quite have the dribbling skills of Modric, but makes up for it with superior passing skill. It's as much as a like-for-like replacement as you're likely to find!
 

monkeynick

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Yes he's not identical in any sense, but in terms of of distributing the ball and moving it forward to good affect...there are similarities in that respect.

Good. I hope he's decent, in fact I hope Modric isn't fit to lace his boots.
I just worry that he's being held up as more than he can be.
I maybe wrong but i thought he didnt make the Portugal squad for the previous couple of tournaments?
 

beats1

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Just been pondering the 'double session training' ITK and wondering who'd be up for it.

Fuck this for a game of soldiers:
Lennon (maybe but i'm only basing this on his crying off rep)
Thudd (surely can't fancy it)

Did you see him under Ramos, the guy was a terminator
 
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