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millsey

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We already have a Loic Remy that we want to sell who goes by the name of Sheyi Emmanuel Adebayor. The idea is to get rid of streaky primmadonna strikers who pick and choose when they want to play. Not bring them in.

Hell, I think I'd rather bring back Mr. Offsides Flag himself, Jermain Defoe, than sign Remy.
No idea where this primmadonna tag comes from with him. I haven't seen any of that. He's got a terrific goal ratio in the prem with 2 crap teams and will cost peanuts. What's not to like
 

LukeBB

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Why would they? We have Lloris, Freidel and Archer. Vorm is a number 1. We wont be signing a GK unless he is 35+ and is content with being a #2. Otherwise, Archer and Brad will be the keepers behind Lloris. I think any inquiries for Vorm/Begovic would be just in case of Lloris leaving which is a very, very small possibility at this point.
Because Brad is 43 and Archer isn't ready, he needs a good few loans first and it would give Lloris a competitive back-up who is of appropriate PL quality if Lukaku kneed Lloris in the head again. Southampton clearly struggled when Davis and Gazzaniga had to come in goal.
 

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Bony, Benteke and Rodriguez from the Prem, Yilmaz and Firimino from abroad and besides Kane is likely to score more goals next year and if we had better creative players naturally the likes of Soldado will score more.

If we'd acted earlier we could've grabbed Josep Drmic :mad:

Ridiculous.

Have you forgotten that we were quoted £25m for Benteke a year ago? Villa won't be knocking off a few quid this summer, you know. Swansea have already warned would-be suitors for Bony that he's going to cost a similar sum. Rodriguez won't be cheap either, and is he all that good? (And if Pochettino wanted him, wouldn't it be his name that Stobart tweeted?)

Gala told Chelsea Yilmaz would be at least £20m some time ago, and do we really want to take a chance on someone who has only looked good in the Turkish league? I think not. Firmino isn't even a striker. He's a goalscoring Brazilian midfielder, and we've already got one of those, or so I'm reliably informed. Drmic has had one good season with Nürnberg.

Panini sticker scouting.

Oh, I'd be surprised if Soldado is here next season, and Kane isn't ready to lead the line.
 

LukeBB

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Ridiculous.

Have you forgotten that we were quoted £25m for Benteke a year ago? Villa won't be knocking off a few quid this summer, you know. Swansea have already warned would-be suitors for Bony that he's going to cost a similar sum. Rodriguez won't be cheap either, and is he all that good? (And if Pochettino wanted him, wouldn't it be his name that Stobart tweeted?)

Gala told Chelsea Yilmaz would be at least £20m some time ago, and do we really want to take a chance on someone who has only looked good in the Turkish league? I think not. Firmino isn't even a striker. He's a goalscoring Brazilian midfielder, and we've already got one of those, or so I'm reliably informed. Drmic has had one good season with Nürnberg.

Panini sticker scouting.

Oh, I'd be surprised if Soldado is here next season, and Kane isn't ready to lead the line.
K, overly aggressive tone unnecessary considering I was asked to name a few who produced Ade/Remy numbers of about 15 goals a season, in reality I don't want any, I was just making a point.

Remy, 27: 14 League goals, Bony, 25: 16 league goals, Rodriguez, 24: 15 League goals, Yilmaz, 28: 16 League goals, Firimino, 22: 16 League goals.

Also, things change very quickly within football, a Bony tantrum would surely drop Swansea's price, Benteke suffered a major injury and initially struggled this season and with Benteke on probably Villa's biggest contract when the club is up for sale, you never know what price they'll charge now. Firimino is a second striker, not quite a Paulinho who you were alluding to who plays much deeper. Yilmaz is a proven goalscorer who scored 8 goals in 9 champions league appearences last season, he can score at a higher level. Drmic had one good season, but he's 22 in the Bundesliga, that suggests potential rather than one season wonder.

Petty insult regarding Panini's considering I've never owned any but I'm sure your opinion is highly credible considering you're an international scout who's worked for the top European clubs.

I wouldn't be surprised if Soldado was here next season and Kane with 3 goals in 3 starts deserves as much a start as any IMO but he will only be back-up next season but he doesn't seem too far off, I'm supportive of our HG talent.

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Ledleys Knee

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I would love to have Remy. Skillful, Pace, Finishing ability what is there not to like? I think it was the 20 Million price tag that stopped it last time but at 9 mil to me it's a no brainer.

The problem with Remy is that he is a no brainer - his awareness and link-up play is terrible.

He reminds me of a kind of stretched Defoe.

Would be very frustrating for/unsuited to a possession side like we will be under Poch.
 

millsey

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The problem with Remy is that he is a no brainer - his awareness and link-up play is terrible.

He reminds me of a kind of stretched Defoe.

Would be very frustrating for/unsuited to a possession side like we will be under Poch.
Mental
 

DaSpurs

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Because Brad is 43 and Archer isn't ready, he needs a good few loans first and it would give Lloris a competitive back-up who is of appropriate PL quality if Lukaku kneed Lloris in the head again. Southampton clearly struggled when Davis and Gazzaniga had to come in goal.

I don't think Vorm would come to be a No 2. I think there's a very real chance of us signing Darlow this summer though. Would be perfect, as he could develop experience in the cups and then come to challenge whoever we may bring in as a Lloris replacement when he's likely to be sold in the next few years or so.
 

yankspurs

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I don't think Vorm would come to be a No 2. I think there's a very real chance of us signing Darlow this summer though. Would be perfect, as he could develop experience in the cups and then come to challenge whoever we may bring in as a Lloris replacement when he's likely to be sold in the next few years or so.
Or, or, or...we actually keep Lloris, build a top 4 squad around him this year(really only a quality left side away) and let that ride us into the new stadium to when we get more revenue and add pieces to be a top side.

We are in a unique position in which we dont have to wait until the stadium is built to spend because of the profits made the last 2 years, having added TV money and having no debts(thank you, Joe). We can afford to spend some money this window without having to balance it with sales.
 

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Or, or, or...we actually keep Lloris, build a top 4 squad around him this year(really only a quality left side away) and let that ride us into the new stadium to when we get more revenue and add pieces to be a top side.

We are in a unique position in which we dont have to wait until the stadium is built to spend because of the profits made the last 2 years, having added TV money and having no debts(thank you, Joe). We can afford to spend some money this window without having to balance it with sales.

Ideally I'd be delighted with that. But I would be very surprised to see us hold on to Lloris that long barring us sneaking into the CL in the near future, and if I'm perfectly honest and under consideration of the movements of the other teams we'd be jostling with for that end, I don't view the prospects of that happening as particularly favorable.
 

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I don't think Vorm would come to be a No 2. I think there's a very real chance of us signing Darlow this summer though. Would be perfect, as he could develop experience in the cups and then come to challenge whoever we may bring in as a Lloris replacement when he's likely to be sold in the next few years or so.
Well, Swansea signed Fabianski, a GK who Wenger trusted against the likes of Bayern Munich and Fabianski seemed to be under the impression he would be getting 1st team football at Swansea, thus putting doubts in Vorm's mind regarding first team football. So, considering he's 30 he may be thinking his next move is his best chance of getting to a "big club", at Tottenham he can be a part of a "project" which extends beyond ensuring survival and Garry Monk's swansea reputation and playing for Tottenham and fighting it out with Lloris playing Europa and FA cup games this could ensure his chances of still being selected for the Dutch squad because Guus Hiddink probably hasn't seen him play for a while and the best way for Vorm to grab his attention would be playing for Tottenham rather than fighting it out with Fabianski down the bottom half of the table.

Darlow I wouldn't be too happy to see us capture as I sense it would only be to help the HG quota and any potential he'd have would stagnate staying at the club behind Lloris or create an unhealthy "Courtouis-esque" situation if we had to keep loaning him out.

Personally I would rather see us make a move for Stekelenburg, I'm sure Fulham would let him leave on the cheap since he might kick up a storm playing in the championship and they can save wages. He didn't have the best year last year but I put that down to injuries and the pressure of playing at the bottom, Holtby seemed to have the same problem. He's a top quality GK on his day and at 31 we're not destroying any potential by having him fight with Lloris.

Edit: Sorry A&C, won't happen again got distracted, shouldn't be talking about Stekelenburg.
 
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DaSpurs

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Well, Swansea signed Fabianski, a GK who Wenger trusted against the likes of Bayern Munich and Fabianski seemed to be under the impression he would be getting 1st team football at Swansea, thus putting doubts in Vorm's mind regarding first team football. So, considering he's 30 he may be thinking his next move is his best chance of getting to a "big club", at Tottenham he can be a part of a "project" which extends beyond ensuring survival and Garry Monk's swansea reputation and playing for Tottenham and fighting it out with Lloris playing Europa and FA cup games this could ensure his chances of still being selected for the Dutch squad because Guus Hiddink probably hasn't seen him play for a while and the best way for Vorm to grab his attention would be playing for Tottenham rather than fighting it out with Fabianski down the bottom half of the table.

Darlow I wouldn't be too happy to see us capture as I sense it would only be to help the HG quota and any potential he'd have would stagnate staying at the club behind Lloris or create an unhealthy "Courtouis-esque" situation if we had to keep loaning him out.

I don't think Darlow would be loaned out, I think he'd be the new No 2 and receive the call for the cup games. At his age, and coming from the Championship, I think he'd be delighted with such a prospect. In fact, this has even been mentioned in ITK earlier this summer. As for the comparison to Courtois, the first year they loaned him out I think even Atleti was surprised at how well he turned out. The second year, they did it with the intention of continued Champions League experience while bringing in Schwarzer to cover the distance. So I don't think Darlow is comparable, unless we do bring in Vorm (or another similar level player) as well.

I agree with your logic pertaining to Vorm, but I'd imagine our interest wasn't anything particularly more than assessing his availability and price. I would be very surprised to see us pursue Vorm, as I think we could do better as an eventual Lloris replacement and I do think you're right that part of the reason for Darlow would be the homegrown count. I'm not English, but I do support it, as I think bringing him in to be our cup keeper would be an excellent way for him to develop and for us to find another way to get back towards integrating English youth.
 

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I don't think Darlow would be loaned out, I think he'd be the new No 2 and receive the call for the cup games. At his age, and coming from the Championship, I think he'd be delighted with such a prospect. In fact, this has even been mentioned in ITK earlier this summer. As for the comparison to Courtois, the first year they loaned him out I think even Atleti was surprised at how well he turned out. The second year, they did it with the intention of continued Champions League experience while bringing in Schwarzer to cover the distance. So I don't think Darlow is comparable, unless we do bring in Vorm (or another similar level player) as well.

I agree with your logic pertaining to Vorm, but I'd imagine our interest wasn't anything particularly more than assessing his availability and price. I would be very surprised to see us pursue Vorm, as I think we could do better as an eventual Lloris replacement and I do think you're right that part of the reason for Darlow would be the homegrown count. I'm not English, but I do support it, as I think bringing him in to be our cup keeper would be an excellent way for him to develop and for us to find another way to get back towards integrating English youth.
I worry about bringing in a young keeper to be No2 considering the learning curve takes place in cup competitions which I wouldn't like to risk considering I'm desperate to see us win silverware and as a GK to realise their potential they need as many games as possible as early as possible to gain vital experience, which Parks said is why Lloris is world class at the age of 27, relatively young for a GK. Therefore I fear if he were to play behind Lloris who would want to play more than 40 games a season, his ability and potential would either plateau or deteriorate and I would hate to see us ruin such a promising young GK as IMO is what's happening to Butland at Stoke.
 

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Well, Swansea signed Fabianski, a GK who Wenger trusted against the likes of Bayern Munich and Fabianski seemed to be under the impression he would be getting 1st team football at Swansea, thus putting doubts in Vorm's mind regarding first team football. So, considering he's 30 he may be thinking his next move is his best chance of getting to a "big club", at Tottenham he can be a part of a "project" which extends beyond ensuring survival and Garry Monk's swansea reputation and playing for Tottenham and fighting it out with Lloris playing Europa and FA cup games this could ensure his chances of still being selected for the Dutch squad because Guus Hiddink probably hasn't seen him play for a while and the best way for Vorm to grab his attention would be playing for Tottenham rather than fighting it out with Fabianski down the bottom half of the table.

Darlow I wouldn't be too happy to see us capture as I sense it would only be to help the HG quota and any potential he'd have would stagnate staying at the club behind Lloris or create an unhealthy "Courtouis-esque" situation if we had to keep loaning him out.

Personally I would rather see us make a move for Stekelenburg, I'm sure Fulham would let him leave on the cheap since he might kick up a storm playing in the championship and they can save wages. He didn't have the best year last year but I put that down to injuries and the pressure of playing at the bottom, Holtby seemed to have the same problem. He's a top quality GK on his day and at 31 we're not destroying any potential by having him fight with Lloris.

Edit: Sorry A&C, won't happen again got distracted, shouldn't be talking about Stekelenburg.

Vorm is Swansea's third best 'keeper. Why would we want him?
 

LukeBB

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Vorm is Swansea's third best 'keeper. Why would we want him?
what makes you say that? He had more clean sheets and made more saves per 90 mins than Tremmel last season, he conceded less goals per 90 mins and matched him for distribution accuracy. So he's better than Tremmel at least, I haven't seen as much of Fab to have an opinion on him.
 
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