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SpursFox

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Doesn't make sense why we'd even bother getting Jose in to be fair if this were the case, surely we'd have just kept Poch. It cost a lot of money to sack him then replace him with someone on more money. To then outright lie to that new manager and immediately show your true face just really doesn't seem like what has happened. I mean if it is that's just bonkers.
 

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Doesn't make sense why we'd even bother getting Jose in to be fair if this were the case, surely we'd have just kept Poch. It cost a lot of money to sack him then replace him with someone on more money. To then outright lie to that new manager and immediately show your true face just really doesn't seem like what has happened. I mean if it is that's just bonkers.

Jose was pretty clear right at the beginning that he believed in the squad and wouldn't be looking to sign players. The very reason you'd guess Levy did what he did, was that Mourinho was saying he'd get the best out of the squad whereas Poch wanted to rebuild.

Jose's stance in public has only changed based on injuries. He's got Gedson in for Sissoko who's likely to miss most of the rest of the season. And wants a striker to come in for Kane who could miss the rest of the season. Injuries have changed the situation.
 

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Jose was pretty clear right at the beginning that he believed in the squad and wouldn't be looking to sign players. The very reason you'd guess Levy did what he did, was that Mourinho was saying he'd get the best out of the squad whereas Poch wanted to rebuild.

Jose's stance in public has only changed based on injuries. He's got Gedson in for Sissoko who's likely to miss most of the rest of the season. And wants a striker to come in for Kane who could miss the rest of the season. Injuries have changed the situation.

I doubt the sole reason Jose was appointed was just because he said he could get the best out of the squad. It might have been a factor, and maybe that's causing some complications this window specifically, but I would have thought Jose would have had plans to be backed mid-term at least. The Kane injury wouldn't have been accounted for of course, though we all know it should have been. And as you say, we did our best to resolve the Sissoko problem, so things don't seem as bleak on that front as it might seem is my point.
 

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I doubt the sole reason Jose was appointed was just because he said he could get the best out of the squad. It might have been a factor, and maybe that's causing some complications this window specifically, but I would have thought Jose would have had plans to be backed mid-term at least. The Kane injury wouldn't have been accounted for of course, though we all know it should have been. And as you say, we did our best to resolve the Sissoko problem, so things don't seem as bleak on that front as it might seem is my point.

I don't doubt it at all. The way I see it Levy knew that backing Poch would cost a fortune, he started this in the summer but when the results didn't turn in our favour he cut his losses hoping that someone could come in and salvage what we have thus negating the need to further invest in the rebuild. The immediate contract for Toby is another sign of this. Levy probably thought there was a chance Eriksen might change his mind too, worth a gamble if it meant avoiding having to replace a 100m+ asset.

Backing a manager who is generally happy with the squad would have been seen to be easier than backing a manager who thinks the squad needs an overhaul too.
 

SpursFox

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Still not buying that he did it for those reasons alone or even primarily, spending a wedge of money to get rid of Poch then outlaying even more for the increased Jose salary, simply because Jose was more likely in his mind to scrape us through this season and there was the outside chance Eriksen might sign a new deal. Some of that might have been in play, of course, but in my eyes this was a big move, and over the summer and even this window, considering the nature of January windows, it seems like our managers are being backed. Sure we might be needing more action this month than might have been anticipated, but that is a somewhat different point as the attitude here seemed to be worrying about the longer term.
 

biscuit

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I'm struggling with depression and bipolar disorder, so couldn't give a fuck either way to be honest.

Its only football.

I hope you're seeking (or getting) some help and support, mate. Unless you've been faced with real adversity it's sometimes hard to conceive that football is just a bit of a kickabout, really, and that even this great club is of little importance overall.

Don't forget, too, that it's always good to talk. There are a lot of wise, benevolent and generous folk on this site who would be only too happy to lend an ear. There are some twats and motherfuckers too, mind, so be careful who you choose. Good luck! Hope to see another post from you soon.
 

Meercat

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I'm struggling with depression and bipolar disorder, so couldn't give a fuck either way to be honest.

Its only football.

I’ll echo the good words of biscuit. I’ve been having a shit time, in the span of three days my father in law died, one of my editors who I’ve worked with for about ten years died, and weirdly, the one that allowed me some sort of grief release was the death of the drummer from my favourite band of 35 years. 2020 has been brutal, emotionally. I suffer from seasonal adjustment and depression and the razors edge balance so far this year has been incredibly hard. Sometimes football is just football (actually always but there you go) I hope you’ve got the support network you need. Take care of yourself.
 

Lighty64

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Fair enough, but I think he's probably been a bit shocked at quite how far some of our players have slipped. I think we all are.

he also never knew we would have 2 possible season ending injuries that he would struggle to produce a winning system
 

Lighty64

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I doubt the sole reason Jose was appointed was just because he said he could get the best out of the squad. It might have been a factor, and maybe that's causing some complications this window specifically, but I would have thought Jose would have had plans to be backed mid-term at least. The Kane injury wouldn't have been accounted for of course, though we all know it should have been. And as you say, we did our best to resolve the Sissoko problem, so things don't seem as bleak on that front as it might seem is my point.

we have survived without Kane before, and Poch worked a system to cope
 

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I feel the main attraction for appointing José was for business reasons rather than footballing. Levy has always prioritised the club’s profile off the pitch, and what’s a good way of doing that? Appoint arguably the worlds most famous and successful manager. And if he happens to do a good job whilst he’s here, that’s a bonus.

Levy doesn’t do big gambles, he takes very considered risks, and getting José was win/win for him. Worst case scenario is that José isn’t successful on the pitch, then gets pissed off and walks when he doesn’t get backed in the transfer market. But what does that matter if the club’s profile has been boosted purely from having him here in the first place?

Under ENIC/Levy it’s always been about putting £‘s on the club’s value, and football is secondary. Us fans won’t like that, myself very much included, but this is a business first and foremost and a football club second I’m afraid.

I’m not an ENIC/Levy hater as I think they’ve done amazing things for the club off the pitch, we’re in a far better position as a brand than when they took over. But their focus isn’t on improving what’s on the pitch, and that’s where they’re not aligned to the fans, and I feel the frustration will only grow from here.

They got very lucky with our improvement under Poch with minimal spend, and the promise of the stadium has kept the majority of fans off their back. But we have the stadium now, fans will want to see success and investment in playing staff next, otherwise I feel a rather large storm brewing.
 
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freeeki

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They got very lucky with our improvement under Poch with minimal spend, and the promise of the stadium has kept the majority of fans off their back until now. But we have the stadium now, fans will want to see success and investment in playing staff next, otherwise I feel a rather large storm brewing.

Absolutely. If the latest ITK is accurate, then I don't think it's over-dramatic to say that the club's future success rests heavily on this window being somewhat of a success.

Even if that means signing a couple of immediate fixes on loan or short-term contracts so that both the fans and Jose can see that the board are taking their previous transfer window shortcomings seriously, that would be enough to tide us over to summer when the real rebuilding can begin.

Failure to back Jose at this point would be hugely disrespectful to both him and us as fans IMO. People will only tolerate so much shit.
 
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did I say that you knobber?

Yes, you said:

we are in absolute DIRE need of reinforcements this month! Not in the fucking summer!

In response to:

Daniel ****** looking at loan with option/s, but no obligation ?

So, to clarify, loans are indeed reinforcements this month. So it seems like the club are looking to do what they can this month without potentially adding players to the squad that JM wouldn't want beyond the summer.

The contradiction between the reasons for all the rage and what the club is actually (seemingly) doing makes no sense.
 

leemason2302

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Yes, you said:



In response to:



So, to clarify, loans are indeed reinforcements this month. So it seems like the club are looking to do what they can this month without potentially adding players to the squad that JM wouldn't want beyond the summer.

The contradiction between the reasons for all the rage and what the club is actually (seemingly) doing makes no sense.
Alternatively, why not add a player or 2 he does want beyond the summer :)
 
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Alternatively, why not add a player or 2 he does want beyond the summer :)
Rare to have them available in January though. As other commentary in here has suggested, including ITK, most clubs wanted to keep their players to push for promotion or stay in the league
 
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