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Wsussexspur

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Why would Campos want to get involved with Levy's shit show ?

Surely he would have enough nous to see who the problem is.

Thought that link died long time ago.. haven’t seen anything about him coming to us since about couple of days after Jose joined
 

Cochise

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I reckon Jose thought that we had some underperforming stars that just needed a bit of polish. I think he thought he could get a lot more out of Dier, Dele and Alderweireld only find the early uptick to be replaced with regression. He liked the look of N'Dombele but has found the blokes fitness to be apalling, whilst didn't like GLC only to find a gem.

With regards to Kane, I said it elsewhere, now makes sense for him to leave. The problem is, no-one will offer what he is worth, even if he had a low release clause like £125m. UTD want him but will splurge on Sancho first and then try to lowball us for Harry. He might want to leave this summer, but unless City go for him, I can't see anyone paying what he is worth except PSG.

The optimist in me however can say that I was honestly doom and gloom when Bale left and predicted our immediate downfall. We got stronger after he left thanks to some good signing's. If we sell Harry and find players like Eriksen and Lamela for sub £40m then it will be fine, but Levy has to get us a new DOF because thing's have gone so far downhill with him controlling things himself.
 

Gspurs11

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Has José made his own bed by going into the interview For the role reaffirming Levy’s unfounded belief it was just the squad underperforming due to solely the manager just than squad degradation?
 
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SpursSince1980

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Ok. So, what's the answer to all of this then? Jose being sold a lemon by Levy is hardly surprising. That's been Daniel's MO for a long time. Promises made, promises broken.
Right now, I've seen enough in the last few years to conclude that our biggest issue on the playing side is the chairman. He needs to be forced out or forced to remove himself from player recruitment. I'm fine with him running the business side. But like any business, you have division heads. Each of those heads are given a budget. They then decide how to spend that money and on what. Levy needs to do the same thing. Get the eff outta the way. Bring in a DoF. Give them a budget, and let them decide what to do with it. I don't care if the budget is 10M and no more. At least with a good DoF, they'll know how to maximize the spend.
Herc is right. We are a toxic club. And it starts with the head. Cut it off, and start anew.
 

Inq

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Worst part is if Harry wants to go. There will be for sure more to follow. Thinking Alli and Son mainly. Possible more.

not good at all by the people up top. bunch of clowns.
 

DCSPUR

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PUTTING THIS HERE!!!


Poch’s heart wasn’t in it anymore!
he fell out with players and not talking to them. His moods was very toxic. He was refused the right to speak yanited or RM!

So please stop bleating in about ‘we should of kept Poch’ Jose came into a very toxic club!!!

love ya comments Herc but this too is on DL...problem is that how on earth could Poch's heart have been in it after he had wrung so much out of so little. DL really let him and us down. Ironic that if Kane does engineer a move + Dier, Aurier etc moved on and a major rebuild has to happen, who better than a rested Poch? Not that he'd come back with Levy in charge.
 

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I'm sure I'm in the minority but I would be OK with selling Kane (although it would be sad) because I think he is about to hit a wall and his performance is going to drop simply because of injury and overuse. I think it's inevitable. He has played a TON of football over the past five to seven years and the only time he has really rested is when he was injured.

The problem is Levy is still running things and making the decisions. Until we put him simply on the finance side and get him out of football decision we are screwed. Campos would be great. But we had a Campos already in Mitchell who built that wonderful squad that kicked our ass yesterday. He couldn't work with Levy and left.
 

spud

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love ya comments Herc but this too is on DL...problem is that how on earth could Poch's heart have been in it after he had wrung so much out of so little. DL really let him and us down. Ironic that if Kane does engineer a move + Dier, Aurier etc moved on and a major rebuild has to happen, who better than a rested Poch? Not that he'd come back with Levy in charge.
Isn't this really selective memory?

In the summer when we didn't buy players just about every ITK said that Poch wanted a couple of specific players who couldn't be got. He was then offered alternatives and refused them, and failed to come up with any alternatives of his own. Money was available and Poch chose not to spend it. Last summer just about every ITK said that Poch got exactly the players that he wanted in LoCelso and Ndombele.

We've also been told on numerous occasions by ITKs that Poch had fucked things up and alienated players by insisting that we play a system that the players weren't comfortable with and, in some cases, couldn't perform the roles required of them. He became moody, sullen and unpredictable. If his heart wasn't in it, we must conclude, it is because he could see everything that he had worked for going to shit, and doing so in no small way because of the way that he had been acting and continued to act.

I don't think of myself as BSoDL and I would much prefer if we had a DoF or somebody with a different title who handled our transfer business; that Levy just gave them a budget and left them to it. But if you're going to blame Levy at least get your facts straight.
 

glacierSpurs

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We've also been told on numerous occasions by ITKs that Poch had fucked things up and alienated players by insisting that we play a system that the players weren't comfortable with and, in some cases, couldn't perform the roles required of them. He became moody, sullen and unpredictable. If his heart wasn't in it, we must conclude, it is because he could see everything that he had worked for going to shit, and doing so in no small way because of the way that he had been acting and continued to act.
This is what I don't understand him. We had a proper system of the flying fullbacks and high press energetic system of play, but all of sudden he tried to be too clever and stylish in wanting to play from the back. Lloris is probably the worse keeper to play that system with his poor distribution and reserved organisation of his backline. Constantly he had been under immense pressure, which slowly transcended to the entire backline, before permeating to the front players. Our players were never comfortable playing that way, and we lost that eagerness to fight for the ball and defending from the front, passing back at every opportunity to play it safe even until now. When 6 players played like what one Jenas used to play, we are doomed.

IMO, we never recovered from that mentality since. Is almost like the psychological scar is too much for the current players now to forget and adapt a new attacking mindset.
 

The Long Suffering One

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Wasn't there an ITK previously that goes along the lines of Levy will never seek additional funds from Joe Lewis for transfers as that will dilute Levy's share of the stakes of the club or something like that?

Playing devil's advocate here. Maybe that's why Levy has always controlled our transfer dealings in the way that he has, in particular settling for cheaper 2nd or 3rd choice players.

Personal interests at stake as much as the club's general financial constraints.

Anyway, it's just a thought. Feel free to spam me.
 

spids

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But we had a Campos already in Mitchell who built that wonderful squad that kicked our ass yesterday. He couldn't work with Levy and left.

This a million times. Losing Mitchell was the beginning of the end. Look at Leipzig’s squad... looked very ‘Spurs 2016’ with aggressive pressing from young, hungry players.
 

Hakkz

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But we had a Campos already in Mitchell who built that wonderful squad that kicked our ass yesterday. He couldn't work with Levy and left.
This a million times. Losing Mitchell was the beginning of the end. Look at Leipzig’s squad... looked very ‘Spurs 2016’ with aggressive pressing from young, hungry players.

Mitchell has been chief scout for RB since feb 2018. Most of the team has nothing to do with him.
 

Kiedis

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This is what I don't understand him. We had a proper system of the flying fullbacks and high press energetic system of play, but all of sudden he tried to be too clever and stylish in wanting to play from the back. Lloris is probably the worse keeper to play that system with his poor distribution and reserved organisation of his backline.

Suddenly trying to play from the back? As if this wasn't a hallmark of all our best teams under Poch and a hugely important part of our philosophy at every turn?
 

spursfan77

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Let’s wait and see on Kane. Far too early for the majority of us to second guess whether he will leave.

As for Mourinho not realising the quality of the squad. I suspect he thought they were under performing and he’s been right to some extent but the majority of them have fallen off a cliff. Whether that’s physically or mentally we can’t know. But nobody could of foreseen the injuries we have had since he’s been appointed.

As for the levy v Mourinho transfer confrontation. We all knew when appointing Mourinho that this would happen. Surely levy must of known he wouldn’t of been able to pull his normal tricks with Mourinho. If not, then he’s not as clever as he thinks he is.

As always, let’s see how this plays out. There’s a massive negative around the club at the moment. But a few wins will soon change that. Now’s not the time to become a toxic fan, it’s time to back the team.
 
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Havre

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I'm sure I'm in the minority but I would be OK with selling Kane (although it would be sad) because I think he is about to hit a wall and his performance is going to drop simply because of injury and overuse. I think it's inevitable. He has played a TON of football over the past five to seven years and the only time he has really rested is when he was injured.

The problem is Levy is still running things and making the decisions. Until we put him simply on the finance side and get him out of football decision we are screwed. Campos would be great. But we had a Campos already in Mitchell who built that wonderful squad that kicked our ass yesterday. He couldn't work with Levy and left.

The pragmatic in me would agree with you on the first part. I have said before Kane has most likely played his best football. I don't want him to leave, but getting a huge fee for him wouldn't necessarily be the end of the world longer term. And the most likely scenario now is that we are in for a tough period with or without Kane. Pochettino wanted years to rebuild and by the time such a thing would be "finished" Kane would be 30.

The second paragraph is pure speculation. This "Levy running things" is based on what exactly? Obviously we don't have to believe in Levy's version when he speaks about how we go about transfers, but what is unreasonable with that model?

We got a head scout, a manager and Levy. The head scout might be a director of football or whatever. Even if we had Mitchell/Pochettino or Campos/Mourinho someone will still have to negotiate with the other club. Would that naturally be the person identifying the player? Mitchell might be excellent at spotting talent is he therefore also an excellent negotiator?

Whatever happens there is always a cost benefit analysis to be done before deciding who to buy. Some fans live in a world where players got a price tag like they were food items in a supermarket. That is not the real world. The real world is that a manager might want a RW. A scout or director of football might say that Wright-Phillips is the best RW around and that Lennon is the second best. Levy might then negotiate a deal for SWP at 25m and 1m for Lennon. Who do you pick?

Hate or love Levy. It is an illusion that these kind of decisions is left purely to "football people". If it is Perez at RM, the "committee" at Liverpool or someone at Spurs whenever Levy is gone it doesn't matter. Cost benefit analysis will happen and should happen. And we need people at the club being experts at negotiating. I don't care if it is Levy or someone else, but on that part I really can't fault Levy based on the information available from the outside.
 

The Scarecrow

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Why would Campos want to get involved with Levy's shit show ?

Surely he would have enough nous to see who the problem is.
Wouldn't they be perfect for each other? Campos identifies good players that Levy won't have to pay through the nose for.
 
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