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Trix

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Trix talking about these players being wanted by the top of the food chain may explain the relative "silence" on all of our targets over the last week or so. There was that initial burst of information but then nothing since. Trying to keep it quiet until the deals are done?
You are taking it out of context a bit there. I was just referring to Madrid being able to tie deals up quick because no one bigger is going to be interested. The selling clubs can't play the field so to speak.
 

robertgoulet

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You are taking it out of context a bit there. I was just referring to Madrid being able to tie deals up quick because no one bigger is going to be interested. The selling clubs can't play the field so to speak.
Ah got it. Thanks for the clarification. So the players have bought in but the wait is on the selling clubs giving up on the big boys coming to the table, basically.
 

Blackrat1299

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I would imagine a lot of the negotiations are being hampered by all the various competitions going on at the moment.
 

wrd

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Good news, this is where hopefully our new standing in football means the players say to their agents and clubs who are trying to shop them around 'no fuck off I want to go to Spurs, make it happen'
 

Dillspur

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I would imagine a lot of the negotiations are being hampered by all the various competitions going on at the moment.

Nah, I would imagine it's more to do with Levy trying to save a few million on the fees, Aulas has already said he wants it done before July to get revenue in for the previous season. Lo Celso has a release clause that we could have met. I'm not saying we should just pay what they want, there's no harm in trying to get them in at a lower fee. But the longer we wait the more likely their fees are met by someone else
 

WiganSpur

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I would imagine a lot of the negotiations are being hampered by all the various competitions going on at the moment.
Other teams are signing players. And anyone mentioning City or Liverpool needs to understand that they really don’t need as much work as we do. Trix will be right, the next 2/3 weeks will define our window. If nobody is in then it will be the same old shit with one month to go and nobody in for pre-season.
 

Ron Burgundy

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I'm still very optimistic we'll get what we want (well mostly) anyway. ;)

Nice. I've accepted that Eriksen and Toby go. With this in mind, frankly, if we ended up with
- a good fee for those two
- CM being sorted with Ndombele and Lo Celso
- Sess x 2
....that would be the best window I can remember

In an ideal world we get a RB and a CB as well, but that would just be greedy. I assume that's broadly what the club is after, so Trix's info is encouraging...I think
 

S17PUR

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Nice. I've accepted that Eriksen and Toby go. With this in mind, frankly, if we ended up with
- a good fee for those two
- CM being sorted with Ndombele and Lo Celso
- Sess x 2
....that would be the best window I can remember

In an ideal world we get a RB and a CB as well, but that would just be greedy. I assume that's broadly what the club is after, so Trix's info is encouraging...I think
Losing two established top-class European players and replacing them with two potentially top-class European players (as good as they look, neither Ndombele or Lo Celso are PL proven yet), and then adding two youngsters wouldn't really be that great of a window in my onion. If we were to add a very good RB and wide forward then we'd be in business though. I still think Sessegnon will be first through the door, so let's hope we see movement on that very soon. I doubt he needs much persuading, so him being away shouldn't make too much of a difference.
 

Ron Burgundy

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Losing two established top-class European players and replacing them with two potentially top-class European players (as good as they look, neither Ndombele or Lo Celso are PL proven yet), and then adding two youngsters wouldn't really be that great of a window in my onion. If we were to add a very good RB and wide forward then we'd be in business though. I still think Sessegnon will be first through the door, so let's hope we see movement on that very soon. I doubt he needs much persuading, so him being away shouldn't make too much of a difference.

You're annoyingly correct in this and it's ruining my otherwise groundless optimism...can you keep your views to yourself going forward please?
 

Doctor Dinkey

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Other teams are signing players. And anyone mentioning City or Liverpool needs to understand that they really don’t need as much work as we do. Trix will be right, the next 2/3 weeks will define our window. If nobody is in then it will be the same old shit with one month to go and nobody in for pre-season.
Yes. If we've bid £35m for Lo Celso, as the press is suggesting, we clearly have no real intention of signing him, which is very worrying, and suggests that we will be fannying around and missing out as per usual. I'm going to assume that it will be business as usual (or not!) until we actually see a top player holding up the shirt. Sure Trix is right, next 2 weeks crucial.
 

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On that note, I find it just the tiniest bit concerning that the players we want are pretty much already publicly known. I wish we had the benefit of secrecy to conclude deals against certain other clubs whose MO this window seems to be basically “copy Spurs’ transfer policy but throw around ridiculous sums of money” *coughManUcough* However, I guess the agents wouldn’t be doing their jobs if they fail to bring at least a second suitor to the dance so that’s just something we have to live with.

That said, if the links are mostly out there, then the pool of players that we’re considering is sort of concerning too. Aside from a few runaway favorites like Ndombele, GLC and Ryan Sess who are obvious choices to replace certain holes in the squad, we’ve had little more than tenuous links to players who play positions that need reinforcement or replacement in our squad, like a RB, a Toby successor if he does go on a free next summer, and our backup striker since Janssen and Llorente both seem set to depart the club.

Well, I guess that ITK is my cue to start praying again for the next two weeks to somehow not be unkind to us like it always has.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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Yes. If we've bid £35m for Lo Celso, as the press is suggesting, we clearly have no real intention of signing him, which is very worrying, and suggests that we will be fannying around and missing out as per usual. I'm going to assume that it will be business as usual (or not!) until we actually see a top player holding up the shirt. Sure Trix is right, next 2 weeks crucial.
I don't think a 35m initiall bid is a bad one. He looks good but he's had one good season in a top league.
 

Phil-spur99

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I hope the bit that isn’t included in the “mostly” getting what we want isn’t CE signing a new deal...
 

MattPhilpott

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Thank you as always Trix for the info (and all the other ITK’s that make the off-season bareable for us all!

Good to see that we are trying to do business early, nothing we haven’t heard before, but always encouraging, my only problem lies here...

We have/are:
- A brand new stadium, widely regarded as one of the best in the world and a pioneer in the development of future stadia.

- One of the most respected and highly regarded managers in world football, sought after by every big team.

- Consecutive CL football for the X’th season running, consistently showing that we are a side doing it consistently and no just a fluke side.

- Coming off the back of a season where we reached the final of the world’s most illustrious competition, narrowly falling short on the night.

- Arguably the best striker in world football to play with, along with a world-cup winning GK, great CB’s and solid teammates such as Son and Alli.

- The most exciting time in the clubs history coming up in the next few years


What we don’t have/do:
- A ridiculous wage packet, seeing players earn 300k+
- Recent trophy history.

Now, the wage structure is what it is, we as fans know it’s so that our club runs sustainably, and we don’t end up with Ozil/Ramsey/Sanchez/Bale situations of our own. The players who deserve large wages at the club are arguably on them, with Kane on 200k, also Eriksen and Alderweireld have been offered contracts in the 150k riegion...
So unless we are going to throw 200k at every player, I really think we are in good shape...

In regards to trophies, as we enter this potential new golden age at spurs, these will come with time...

If the players that we are pursuing are being courted by other teams, for me, the only reason we risk getting gazzumped is simply because the other sides are throwing way more in wages at the players than we would. If that is the case (Not necessarily saying it is), is that the kind of player we want at the club anyway? If they have their head swayed by money as opposed to the many other good things I mentioned above?
Thinking about the names we have been linked with (N’Dombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon, Wan Bissaka) it would honestly surprise me if any of them made even 50k a week...so we can offer significant increases without getting silly.

Sorry for the long post, but I genuinely believe that Tottenham Hotspur has never been a more attractive club in the whole history of our existence, if any of the players that we have been linked with find reasons to turn us down, I truly believe it’s nothing more than greed and money on their part.

Again, thanks for the updates Trix and co. !!
 

KeithStone

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The key is the wages, I’m sure of it. Always has been and always will be. Used to be that the CL clubs had all the money for wages, but now all sorts of clubs are chucking cash around. To me, that’s what so much of this boils down to. Sure, we can make an offer to a club, but if the selling club is losing a prize asset, they’re not just going to take the first offer. They’ll shop them around a bit if they can to drive the price up. Then the agent will do the same thing re: wages. Sounds to me that that’s what @Trix is alluding to. The fact that he’s still confident means we should all be, I think. Thanks, @Trix.

That’s also my interpretation of Danny Rose’s comments too. It’s not the club moving players on because of their age, it’s the players reaching a point where they have one more big deal in them and they want to go and get it. I’m sure agents and other players are forever in their ears about doubling and tripling wages. Even if the players give the club a chance to match it or we leave, we’re just not in the position to do it.
 

Ron Burgundy

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The key is the wages, I’m sure of it. Always has been and always will be. Used to be that the CL clubs had all the money for wages, but now all sorts of clubs are chucking cash around. To me, that’s what so much of this boils down to. Sure, we can make an offer to a club, but if the selling club is losing a prize asset, they’re not just going to take the first offer. They’ll shop them around a bit if they can to drive the price up. Then the agent will do the same thing re: wages. Sounds to me that that’s what @Trix is alluding to. The fact that he’s still confident means we should all be, I think. Thanks, @Trix.

That’s also my interpretation of Danny Rose’s comments too. It’s not the club moving players on because of their age, it’s the players reaching a point where they have one more big deal in them and they want to go and get it. I’m sure agents and other players are forever in their ears about doubling and tripling wages. Even if the players give the club a chance to match it or we leave, we’re just not in the position to do it.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I think we're now capable of paying competitive wages - perhaps not for the Neymar's of this world, but by and large, we can.

I think the issue is the transfer fees: both in likely structure we'll prefer (i.e. in stages, given the large outlay we've had to make on the stadium), and in absolute £m size (particularly with a weak pound).
 

BENNO

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Agree with Ron, i'm sure we won't be as far off on wages as some people think. In the past it's clear we wouldn't over extend ourselves on wages and it's pretty obvious that we allocate a lower percentage of our income to wages than a lot of other teams do. However, with the income spiralling in recent seasons (think it's more than doubled in the past 3 years hasn't it?) then it stands to reason the salaries will rise significantly.
 

pablo73

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The next few weeks will tell us so much about where we are headed as a club, if our transfer policy has changed and whether we are ready to start acting like a big club as Poch has alluded to several times. Has Levy accepted the new reality of transfer fees and will he pay what it takes to secure at least a couple of Poch's main preferred targets in early. Or will he revert to type and will he even be able to help himself from trying to drive as hard a bargain as humanly possible? I await the next few weeks in hope more than expectation that is for certain.
 

Mr Pink

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Yep, sounds the same as normal to me. This time Poch though will have to accept B or C on the list if we can’t get our first choices, else we’ll be getting nobody in again and that just won’t do this time round I’m afraid.

Is that enough for Poch though, I'm not sure it is.

Backing him, requires attaining at least some of his preferred choices, surely?

Personally I think Levy will be a bit more ambitious in an attempt to satisfy Poch but that MO of his will surely still govern what is feasible and what isn't.

So the question is how much will Levy adapt in order to get Poch's targets in?

Time will tell I guess.
 
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