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Singaspursofsixspence

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@jetsetyid: Did the sun come up this morning ?
New day, new hope.
#COYFS


This is getting fucking ridiculous.


Yea but it's the hope that kills you , isnt it? Let's see what happens before the Newcastle game. I've got my pistol locked and loaded, now its either pointing at my head or at the TV come 16th August
 

spud

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Agree 100% with your assessment Lilbaz, and there remains a little bit of hope in me that we can do the right thing this time round. however with our first game away to Newcastle 6 days away, and with Adebayor having little or no pre-season training, and Leandro needing to gel in with the team (even if he is an excellent player he still needs time to know the team's playing style).. a further 2 games before the window closes.....and considering our striker option is only Defoe and Kane now) it still begs the question, do we know what we are doing as club? (not talking about as as business)
Obviously not, mate. We're clearly run by people who have absiolutely no fucking idea about football.

If only they would sign on to SC and read your posts.
 

Mister Jez

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I'm concerned. I'm a fan who sees his club edging closer to the season critically short of strikers. But I'm also aware of the (relative) limitations that we work in. "We've had three/four/six/eight windows and we still haven't got our fucking striker"; "I'm burning my season ticket"; "Levy out". So how many strikers who would improve us have become available during those windows? How much did they cost? How much were/are their wages? Who bought them?

Look at reality. We don't (thank God) have a sugar daddy. That means that we have to live within our financial means or, ultimately, we won't have a football club to piss and moan about. "If we'd bought a striker, we would have had CL the last two years". Really? We finished fourth last season; isn't that a CL place? Actually, no: it gets you into the qualifying round - which you might lose. So you need to finish third. If you finish third, you might (that's might) pay for that striker. So it might be worth taking the financial risk IF he guarantees you third place. IF you can repeat it, you might be able to cope with the wage inflation that his signing delivers. Can you guarantee it? No. So do you take the risk? Possibly, but probably not.

What you do is work to increase the club's turnover and make it more attractive to top-class players. You build a world-class training facility and you increase the capacity of your stadium or build a new one. These things take time. In the meantime, you make every penny go as far as it can. You try to be shrewd in the market and buy players like Sandro cheaply. You don't pay over the odds for VdV and you might get lucky. You buy young players like Lennon, Bale and Walker and develop them. You try to grow your own. You don't pay 7m for a midget mexican striker in the hope that he's going to be okay. You don't pay Llorente 140k+ per week or Adebayor 170k per week because it's going to fuck you up.

Even Stevie Wonder can see that we need a striker. I'm pretty sure we're going to sign one, and before we play the bar codes. But if we don't, I understand why. There are a lot of variables involved (which I can't be arsed to list) and if we don't get one, I'm willing to bet it wasn't for the want of trying.

Levy out? Sure. Give me one one of the Glazers instead. Or Randy lerner, or the Dildo Brothers and Brady. Bollocks, let's go the whole hog: give me Peter fucking Ridsdale. he'll buy us a striker; and a league title; and a Champions League. Then he'll have us marching right behind Rangers into liquidation.

On second thought, give me some fans with some perspective. Some fans who don't throw their toys out of the pram every time we don't play like Barcelona in a pre-season friendly. Give me some fucking grown-ups.
This should be pinned to the 'Must Read' thread of every Spurs forum. Take a bow son, you have nailed it.
 

Singaspursofsixspence

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Obviously not, mate. We're clearly run by people who have absiolutely no fucking idea about football.

If only they would sign on to SC and read your posts.

Mate, I was putting it in the context of whether we're run more as a business or as a football club. our interests clearly lie more in the former than in the latter. Nothing wrong with that, it's just that we should then realise what our ambitions and where the expectations and consequences of said direction would entail.

Also, inb4 "We're not aiming to become Leeds united"
 

spud

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Mate, I was putting it in the context of whether we're run more as a business or as a football club. our interests clearly lie more in the former than in the latter. Nothing wrong with that, it's just that we should then realise what our ambitions and where the expectations and consequences of said direction would entail.
Really? That's what you meant? Wonder what stopped you from writing it.

Also, inb4 "We're not going to become Leeds united" bla bla bla...
I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to mean.
 

tony0379

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If we sell Modric and do not reinvest the money on transfers to replace him along with 2 strikers, then trigger fingers should be pointed towards DL. No more "in Levy we trust" rubbish! Ade should have been done weeks ago! Can't afford him? Fine, move on! A club the size of Tottenham should not be going into the start of the season with 1 international striker. You do not see this happening at any other top club. If we don't sign Leandro or another top striker(s) , I'll be selling my season ticket!

Good night!!!!!!

You forgot the Falcao bit at the end.
 

Gbspurs

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I wish we could decide what club we want to be. Every summer we are linked to big targets with huge wages and we don't sign them. Which is fine if we hold our hands up and say "we just can't afford them we need to look at cheaper options", but then we also are nowhere when players like Cisse and Jelavic make a move cheaply. Traditionally that's the sort of player we would take a punt on. Thats what we need to get back to in my opinion.
 

Singaspursofsixspence

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Really? That's what you meant? Wonder what stopped you from writing it.


I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to mean.

Kays final post on this subject, since I am getting this thread off topic and desperately want to avoid A&C's ban stick.

If Spurs were a corporate entity, i think we are trying to market ourselves as the Big 4 Accounting firms, without the necessary capex , outlay and adequate corporate strategy to support that. we tell our investors (fans) that we will aim high, using the nice company vision and mission statement to encourage belief and faith to financially sustain the firm, but yet we seem lost at times when push comes to shove on a) making a decisive statement of intent with our investments, b) confusing the fuck out of everyone with our dithering on identifying target acquisiitons c) wanting maximum returns on our acquisitions even though some of them have proved to be unwise, instead focusing on sunk costs.

The Leeds United bit was in reference to the way we always use the excuse "oh no, we don't want to overspend, look at that lot at Elland Road and how they turned out." I'm sure nobody would ever want that to happen to their beloved football club. But in all honesty we have to put all things into perspective, how much is our Chairman like Peter Risdale, and our Manager like David O'Leary? Are we that financially inept that we can't tell a sound investment and fundamentals of investing in the returns from your operating turnover from forecasted revenue, and how they both are intertwined and without one or the other, you cant improve as a business? and finally, do we know when to cut our losses when we need to instead ,of expecting (and I use this word loosely cause I dont know the exact terms on how we negotiate transfers) recovering our initial outlay (read:depreciation of assets)

but heck what do i know. I dont own or run a football club hence I can only look on as a fan.
 
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