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ComfortablyNumb

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Not true at all.

Clubs may well unofficially agree stuff with players off the record but they absolutely cannot sign any kind of legally binding contract or pre-contract with a player from the same division. Bayern, for example, are clearly after Goretzka and keep talking about him in the press, and I'm sure they've met "unofficially" with his representatives to discuss whether he's interested, what kind of contract he'd expect etc. but they absolutely cannot under any circumstances sign a contract with him, unless of course they agree a fee with Schalke etc. first but then it's not a bosman. You can say "well it won't stop Bayern" etc. all you like but that's just nonsense to be honest. Name me a single time when that has happened. Unofficially "agreeing" things with a player's representatives is not the same thing as signing a pre-contract which is legally binding.

I'm not naive enough to think that no rule-breaking occurs behind the scenes, let's be honest, every single transfer of any player involves at least some level of "tapping up", but there's no way the clubs sign a legal document like a pre-contract when it's against the rules because it would essentially be like signing a confession that you've broken the rules. It's like taking a time-stamped photo of yourself robbing a bank or something.
You can’t do it without the club’s permission, but if the club agree, there’s nothing to stop you. That’s what I assume/hope is happening with Fulham. They know he’s leaving in the summer, so why not deal now?
 

WexfordTownSpur

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Is it possible that the staff saw Aurier as the incoming pace? I do think a fast winger with a bunch of tricks would be good to have but I think Son brings a lot of that already. The pace in our squad last year came from the fullbacks and it just seems like we haven't had as much of that.
I agree entirely. We had obviously banked on Aurier being a direct replacement for Walker, he’a Not ( well yet anyway). I think we were also hoping Rose would have recovered quicker and got back to his top “speedy wingback” form ( both haven’t happened). So this has screwed the whole game plan, especially now everyone’s worked it out. We just don’t seem to be able to get past these defenses, so we are trying to play through them ( not happening we ain’t man city or Barcelona). Having said that, as you say Son does try really hard, does get past sometimes and cross from the byline or even use that bit of skill to cut in and get a shot off.
I think it’s clear from the deafening sound, that we are unlikely to improve the squad in this area this window ( but I’ll keep hoping and checking this thread )
In the meantime I think it’s back to plan A. Rose recovers from injury and form improves, Aurier continues to settle in and improve, and hopefully Lamela can get back to his best form and chip in. Harry doesn’t get injured or too knackered and Eriksen finds the form he had against Ireland that night more consistently, and Toby comes back all guns blazing!
This is all a very tall order to come together all at once, but without strengthening in this window, it has must or top 4 seems like a challenge.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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JJ has been active..

I asked him if we have targets to which he replied..

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We have targets this window
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and then some else asked if they would make a difference straight away and he said..

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Big time - straight in
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We are trying to so it’s up to the other parties
 

'O Zio

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You can’t do it without the club’s permission, but if the club agree, there’s nothing to stop you. That’s what I assume/hope is happening with Fulham. They know he’s leaving in the summer, so why not deal now?

Yeah obviously if you agree a transfer fee with the club you can do that whenever you want, but that's not what we're talking about. The post I was replying to was talking specifically about bosmans and claiming that Bayern can do what they want and just sign a precontract with Goretzka even though they're not allowed to. I was saying that's not the case and even someone like Bayern can't do that, and never has/will despite what the poster was claiming out of thin air.
 

'O Zio

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I agree entirely. We had obviously banked on Aurier being a direct replacement for Walker, he’a Not ( well yet anyway). I think we were also hoping Rose would have recovered quicker and got back to his top “speedy wingback” form ( both haven’t happened). So this has screwed the whole game plan, especially now everyone’s worked it out. We just don’t seem to be able to get past these defenses, so we are trying to play through them ( not happening we ain’t man city or Barcelona). Having said that, as you say Son does try really hard, does get past sometimes and cross from the byline or even use that bit of skill to cut in and get a shot off.
I think it’s clear from the deafening sound, that we are unlikely to improve the squad in this area this window ( but I’ll keep hoping and checking this thread )
In the meantime I think it’s back to plan A. Rose recovers from injury and form improves, Aurier continues to settle in and improve, and hopefully Lamela can get back to his best form and chip in. Harry doesn’t get injured or too knackered and Eriksen finds the form he had against Ireland that night more consistently, and Toby comes back all guns blazing!
This is all a very tall order to come together all at once, but without strengthening in this window, it has must or top 4 seems like a challenge.

Yeah having the two pacey wingbacks in Rose and Walker really helped open up space through the middle. Now that we're playing with Trippier and Davies we're just not stretching defenses enough so they're able to just sit back and clog up the middle which, as you say, we struggle to break through.
 

nedley

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JJ's comments are exciting. I just hope these targets are achievable and that we are going balls deep for them in this window.

Straight in too. Must be some player/s
 

tony0379

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JJ has just said on Twitter that we have targets for this window, not mentioned in the press, who would make a difference ‘big time’ to our team.

Interesting...
We can have all the targets we want, signing them is a different story
 

Mr Pink

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We can have all the targets we want, signing them is a different story

It is, but surely if we have a desire to negotiate now, whether the deals complete or not, is better than ruling out any attempts this window at all.

Negotiations are always fluid, so just have to wait and see how they pan it out.

If we don't sign someone it doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't a genuine desire to sign someone in the first place, just that we couldn't strike a deal which was right for us.
 

daryl hannah

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It is, but surely if we have a desire to negotiate now, whether the deals complete or not, is better than ruling out any attempts this window at all.

Negotiations are always fluid, so just have to wait and see how they pan it out.

If we don't sign someone it doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't a genuine desire to sign someone in the first place, just that we couldn't strike a deal which was right for us.
Happens more often than not - so you'd forgive people for not holding their breath.
 

SpursSince1980

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Shit just got a bit squiffy
Yes, well that's one colorful way to put it.:)

Or, shit just got real, yo! :cool:

On a slightly more serious note... this is rather surprising, isn't it? I think we were all distinctly under the impression that this is going to be yet another quiet January. Such is the way. But if JJ, of all people, is insinuating that something is afoot... well, that's really interesting. Of course, I can't begin to guess who it might be. But if he's insisting it's someone that might walk into the first 11, it's gotta be a pretty bloody good player. As it's not like we have any glaring holes. Keeping my fingers crossed that something comes from it!!
 

dagraham

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We can have all the targets we want, signing them is a different story

True, but considering JJ said before this window would be quiet it is encouraging.

At least we recognise the need to make things happen to secure top 4. A more proactive stance than we usually seem to take......

.... although I still don’t expect us to sign anyone :D.
 
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Snarfalicious

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The whole "straight in" thing is really something. Players that are within the realm of us being able to afford and also being able to go straight in to our side is a pretty small number, in my opinion.
 

ilya

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And just when I accepted that nothing's gonna happen in january, juicy ITK comes out..
 

dagraham

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The whole "straight in" thing is really something. Players that are within the realm of us being able to afford and also being able to go straight in to our side is a pretty small number, in my opinion.

Agree. Worth remembering that part of the ITK is just JJ’s opinion as a Spurs fan.
 
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