The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 28th August 2014

[SpartanSpur]

You do realise we have bought 6 players?

1 - an educated punt on a young CB that has featured far more than expected

2 - a backup GK we have yet to see

3 - some depth at LB

4 - an RB we won't see for a year or so

5 - The cheap fall back for the managers top CB target

6 - The cheap fall back for the managers top overall target

Real game changing stuff there. I do like our business but I just wish we could push the boat out and sign a bonafide starter. And not see another net gain which is looking very likely (assuming we sell and don't loan a couple of fringe players like Holtby)

 

[SpartanSpur]

exactly, they haven't previously spent money and most likely have the massive Fellaini dosh laying around

They bought McCarthy the same day for over £10m and I bet the Lukaku loan had a fee on it. Doesn't cover the £28m outlay for me, has to be tv money

 

[chinaman]

Nicholson failed to sign John Charles so he switched to Mackay. MS is not the only option.

Wasn't aware we wanted John Charles; Giancarlo, the Gentle Giant who taught the Italians how to head a ball.

 

[chinaman]

and even that is an understatement mate. I'm genuinely gobsmacked by that last update if true. why would we push for him for 3 weeks and even get what is seen as a key piece for a lower price only to back off at the last minute???

i'm going to check the phones in case tank is on the other end.

Smokescreen. We don't want others to compete with us for cheap talent.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

You would think we have started out with 0 points out of two games, knocked out of Europa, and still have TS as manager the way some of you carry on when things don't go exactly according to plan.

This is a squad that many tipped last year to compete for a top-4 spot, and who did finish on 69 points, despite a manager change in December. The squad was a little unbalanced, and in need of good management, but it was never as though it needed a complete overhaul.

Lets see what we have, and how Pochettino manages it before we give up on the season...

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

We wouldn't they part with Townsend? WTF? In return for a player who would infinitely improved our team? What a massive clusterfuck!!

Absolute madness.

I hope Poch/Levy/Baldini see something in Townsend that I don't, because right now he's got a 6m signing for Aston Villa in pre season 2016/17 written all over him.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

1 - an educated punt on a young CB that has featured far more than expected

2 - a backup GK we have yet to see

3 - some depth at LB

4 - an RB we won't see for a year or so

5 - The cheap fall back for the managers top CB target

6 - The cheap fall back for the managers top overall target

Real game changing stuff there. I do like our business but I just wish we could push the boat out and sign a bonafide starter. And not see another net gain which is looking very likely (assuming we sell and don't loan a couple of fringe players like Holtby)

The thing to consider is that in players like Capoue, Chadli and Lamela it is almost like making first team signings this summer.

 

[The Scarecrow]

Has it occured to y'all that Poch may not be the childish, toys out of the pram-type manager we've been used to lately? There was ITK earlier that said that Poch and Levy together had made a valuation of what the targets were worth, that Levy hade gone above that valuation to get MS, and that Poch was impressed by that.

Yes, MS was Poch's top target, but he knows very well that our funds are limited, and he may very well have approved that MS simply isn't worth 6 times as much as BS (he really isn't), and that that money may be spent elsewhere.

 

[SpartanSpur]

You would think we have started out with 0 points out of two games, knocked out of Europa, and still have TS as manager the way some of you carry on when things don't go exactly according to plan.

This is a squad that many tipped last year to compete for a top-4 spot, and who did finish on 69 points, despite a manager change in December. The squad was a little unbalanced, and in need of good management, but it was never as though it needed a complete overhaul.

Lets see what we have, and how Pochettino manages it before we give up on the season...

I don't dispute that at all, in fact I pretty much agree with all of it. I'm just fed up of ticket prices continually rising whilst we seem to keep signing the cheap fall back options despite there being more money in the game than ever.

I'm extremely happy with the coaching and the recent results, our approach to transfer business is just grating on me somewhat. I think that's fair

 

[gibbospurs]

I couldn't care about MS tbf, I'm more worried we won't let Townsend go!! 12m for him and a few million and get depay in. Unless poch is gagging for jay rod.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

1 - an educated punt on a young CB that has featured far more than expected

2 - a backup GK we have yet to see

3 - some depth at LB

4 - an RB we won't see for a year or so

5 - The cheap fall back for the managers top CB target

6 - The cheap fall back for the managers top overall target

Real game changing stuff there. I do like our business but I just wish we could push the boat out and sign a bonafide starter. And not see another net gain which is looking very likely (assuming we sell and don't loan a couple of fringe players like Holtby)

Maybe, just maybe the club believe that we didn't see the full potential of the £100m+ outlay last summer. Even though we still managed to get just short of our best points total ever in such a turbulent season. Maybe they believe that this manager with a more settled team can get more out of the talent purchased last summer?

Do you personally believe AVB/Sherwood really extracted the maximum from the team last season?

I think Martinez probably did from Everton, and that's why they needed to improve.

We signed so many new players we are still waiting for the team to hit its stride.

 

[SpartanSpur]

The thing to consider is that in players like Capoue, Chadli and Lamela it is almost like making first team signings this summer.

This is not a point lost on me. Hopefully it'll be enough. I'm loving Poch's start so wouldn't rule it out.

This Stombouli deal has just left a sour taste in my mouth, in how typical of us it is.

 

[Parkie]

People seem to forget that Andros played on the birthday of his brother that passed away. It was an emotional night for the family.

Just noticed that your avatar is even funnier if you imagine the kid with the seat next to that guy asking to borrow his marker pen afterwards!

 

[SpartanSpur]

Maybe, just maybe the club believe that we didn't see the full potential of the £100m+ outlay last summer. Even though we still managed to get just short of our best points total ever in such a turbulent season. Maybe they believe that this manager with a more settled team can get more out of the talent purchased last summer?

Do you personally believe AVB/Sherwood really extracted the maximum from the team last season?

I think Martinez probably did from Everton, and that's why they needed to improve.

We signed so many new players we are still waiting for the team to hit its stride.

Again as I've said before, I've shared a lot of these thoughts. It's one of the reasons why I've been more optimistic about this season than a lot of fans I talk too.

It's more that we clearly chased these top quality targets, then took the cheap way out when things got tricky, twice. Utd and City pushed through tricky deals in Rojo and Mangala. They probably overpaid but the manager got what he wanted, and their clubs future is still more than sound.

I still think we'll have a good season if no one else comes in, just fed up with the same old stories coming out every window.

And that's my final say on the matter!

 

[The Scarecrow]

This is not a point lost on me. Hopefully it'll be enough. I'm loving Poch's start so wouldn't rule it out.

This Stombouli deal has just left a sour taste in my mouth, in how typical of us it is.

Is it really that typical? I can't recall any other similar situation than the Moutinho debacle. And I don't think Levy saw Dempsey as good value, just a cheap, quick backup option. Musacchio, you may say, but we don't have any proof that Poch wanted him over Fazio (Musacchio's age an potential may have been more tempting on Levy).

Personally, I'm very happy about this, because Stambouli for £5m is an absolute bargain compared to the rather steep £27m Soton wanted for Schneiderlin. If that money can be used to strengthen other parts of the team, I'm positive it'll be a good solution for everyone except our rivals.

 

[Spurger King]

Agreed, were not city or Chelsea, but if that one player was the difference between 4th and 5th?

We'd find a way of missing out on CL, then sell them to Real Madrid?

 

[gibbospurs]

W

This is not a point lost on me. Hopefully it'll be enough. I'm loving Poch's start so wouldn't rule it out.

This Stombouli deal has just left a sour taste in my mouth, in how typical of us it is.

why?? Seems ok on his vids. (I know vids). Looks to have a bit of everything, covers lots of positions and may have saved us 20m. I'm assuming he has been scouted. And obviously wasn't first choice but no way is MS worth 25m+.

 

[SpartanSpur]

W

why?? Seems ok on his vids. (I know vids). Looks to have a bit of everything, covers lots of positions and may have saved us 20m. I'm assuming he has been scouted. And obviously wasn't first choice but no way is MS worth 25m+.

Not knocking the player. Hope he turns out great. My interpretation was that midfield was strong enough, and it was just that Schniederlin was such an integral player to Poch's system that we would pick him up.

People were accepting of Sandro out if MS came in, not sure they'd feel the same with Stombouli replacing him.

From this point the window now hinges on the AM/LW we get in (if any). We are an injury to Eriksen/Lamela away from having to rely on Andros/Lennon every week and I just don't see them suiting the system well enough

 

[SpartanSpur]

Is it really that typical? I can't recall any other similar situation than the Moutinho debacle. And I don't think Levy saw Dempsey as good value, just a cheap, quick backup option. Musacchio, you may say, but we don't have any proof that Poch wanted him over Fazio (Musacchio's age an potential may have been more tempting on Levy).

Personally, I'm very happy about this, because Stambouli for £5m is an absolute bargain compared to the rather steep £27m Soton wanted for Schneiderlin. If that money can be used to strengthen other parts of the team, I'm positive it'll be a good solution for everyone except our rivals.

If we sign a very solid AM/LW before the window closes I will change my tune significantly. Just have to wait and see I guess

 

[Jospur]

I hope Poch/Levy/Baldini see something in Townsend that I don't, because right now he's got a 6m signing for Aston Villa in pre season 2016/17 written all over him.

Like the way you put it - but don't agree with it.