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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 19 January 2011

adiepf

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For a big money signing, very much so.

You'd have to take into account the time it would take for him to settle and if at 30 he really has the desire to do well here? Brazilians don't seem to stick around very long either, after he turned us down in the summer there's no way we should be going back in again .. there's a reason he can't get a regular starting place in Sevilla's side afterall.

We need to be targetting young hungry players, not filling the squad with 30+'ers looking for one last pay day(something Fabiano has even said himself)

because he has fallen out with management after they promised him sevilla would invest for a title challenge in the summer....

they lied, he signed a new deal....he has the huff
 

Berglad

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For a big money signing, very much so.

You'd have to take into account the time it would take for him to settle and if at 30 he really has the desire to do well here? Brazilians don't seem to stick around very long either, after he turned us down in the summer there's no way we should be going back in again .. there's a reason he can't get a regular starting place in Sevilla's side afterall.

We need to be targetting young hungry players, not filling the squad with 30+'ers looking for one last pay day(something Fabiano has even said himself)

Yep, and I'm not really interested in another Bent/Defoe type striker (though Fabiano could add some decent aerial ability into the mix) who are invisible and then pop up with poacher's goal now and then. Could be wrong but from the times I've seen Fabiano that's how he's appeared. I'd want someone who's going to be an integral part of our play that can finish chances but also set up others and have the ability to score individual efforts.
 

melih69

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fabiano has failed in portgual, and failed in france. he complained about the cold in france. he takes a while to get settled into a club, , he has only had a couple of good seasons in spain, and has just turned 30.

tell me a reason why he would be a good signing for us?
 

adiepf

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fabiano has failed in portgual, and failed in france. he complained about the cold in france. he takes a while to get settled into a club, , he has only had a couple of good seasons in spain, and has just turned 30.

tell me a reason why he would be a good signing for us?

321 apps
163 goals

brazils number 9

30 years old=experience not old age

would cost less than £12m

thats why....a bargain
 

lifeof...

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Fabiano to old , if we get him think Harry has lost the plot
:eek:mg:

too old and too average!

:eek:mg:

30 yrs old, is too old....you do know 28 is deemed "at prime" reportedly the no1 brazialn striker is going for about 10-12 mil....

interested why u say average?


Years Team Apps† (Gls)† 1997–2000 Ponte Preta 12 (8) 2000–2001 Rennes 11 (0) 2001–2004 São Paulo 87 (61) 2004–2005 Porto 22 (3) 2005– Sevilla 138 (66) National team‡ 2003– Brazil 43 (28)

Yep doesn't look average to me.

I accept the "risk" of will he fit in, to SPurs / prem. but for any new player the thought can be applied to lower or greater degrees....but 30 is not to old.

Personally i would be well H.A.P.P.Y If we signed him


Yes it wouldn't be a deemed levy type signing...i.e young enough to have a potential sell on value, but niether was one Edgar Davids, most Spurs fans would deem that worked out well for us.
 

lifeof...

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Some interesting info, IF the figure quoted by the indie of 21mill pounds is correct for Suarez...Whilst it is perhaps a little over the top, I would be happy if we paid over the odds and got him, As i think he is exactly the type of player we need.

edit: Whilst Liverpool, may offer a high salary / package to Suarez...Pool will not be playing CL football for at least 2 years....I think that will play in our favour.....of course we need to match the bid Liverpool make,
 

Berglad

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I'd rather have Fabiano than no one and he'd almost certainly be our best striker if we get him, I'm just doubtful if he's the best option for the money and he's at the age (and considering his open desire for a big final-payoff, does he have the will to succeed?) where if he flops we're not going to get much back. He also picks up a lot of minor injuries!
 

lifeof...

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I'd rather have Fabiano than no one and he'd almost certainly be our best striker if we get him, I'm just doubtful if he's the best option for the money and he's at the age (and considering his open desire for a big final-payoff, does he have the will to succeed?) where if he flops we're not going to get much back. He also picks up a lot of minor injuries!


That (highlighted) is really the main point. signing any player, perhaps more so a foreign non prem player, has its risk, and until a player is playing for us, we can never truly know.

If it was a straight choice between Suarez and Fabiano, i would take Suarez...But if Suarez wasn't a choice, i would be happy with Fab
 

DoublePivot

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The majority came after he partnered with Kanoute...ewww strange that. Shit before Kanoute, great after. Coincidence? Think not.
 

lifeof...

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The majority came after he partnered with Kanoute...ewww strange that. Shit before Kanoute, great after. Coincidence? Think not.

TBH, for both players actually, i haven't really seen any of there club form, only national..stated earlier this was what i was basing my opinion on.

having said that a career of 321 apps 163 goals (Brazil 43apps 28goals) pretty much 1 in 2 for his career, doesn't suggest, shit to me
 

melih69

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alot of his goals came in brazil though, which isnt the best league, and isnt the hardest to score in.

he failed in two europeans leagues, france and portgual and complained about the cold in france. if he thinks france is cold, england will be even more cold!
 

guy

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FFS he played for Rennes 10 YEARS AGO

I think anything that happened there is pretty irrelevant now, being 10 years later
 

Gary-22

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completely agree Guy, i wouldnt read anything into good or bad stats from 10 years as it was 10 years ago, we can see how drastically a player can change in one year let alone 10, men grow up and learn (football wise that is!)
 

DoublePivot

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FFS he played for Rennes 10 YEARS AGO

I think anything that happened there is pretty irrelevant now, being 10 years later

10 years ago Bale was 11. Modric was 15. Lennon was 13. Huddlestone was 14. VDV was just making the leap from the academy to the Ajax first team at the young age of 18 and dreaming of marrying of the hottest chick in the universe (I guess it happens). I think my point is that 10 years ago, the strength of our team was having to nick a nip from their parents to get a bit tipsy. You and your like's wet dream was already old enough to fail miserably. 30 mate. And not getting younger and not getting any happier to join us.
 

guy

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I dont really see your point there DP?

Yes he's 30, strikers generally dont peak till about 28, so he's technically in his peak or nearing the end of his peak now.

Ive read on here at least 10 times that Fabiano didnt like the cold in Rennes, so how he going to survive in London. Im saying, he's a man now he has most likely got over that issue. 10 years ago he was a kid in a completely foreign country/continent, of course he struggled to settle.
 

Hawkey77

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I dont really see your point there DP?

Yes he's 30, strikers generally dont peak till about 28, so he's technically in his peak or nearing the end of his peak now.

Ive read on here at least 10 times that Fabiano didnt like the cold in Rennes, so how he going to survive in London. Im saying, he's a man now he has most likely got over that issue. 10 years ago he was a kid in a completely foreign country/continent, of course he struggled to settle.

Also, we can't underestimate the influence that Gomes and Sandro could have on his ability to settle - I know if I moved to Brazil I'd be a lot bloody happier if there were two other Brits there to help me settle.
 

Gary-22

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good point Hawkey i forgot all about that, people can agree or disagree about fabiano but even if we gamble on him and it fails it would not be a disaster would it, the fee will hardly be extortionate maybe what 10-15 mil, gambles have to be taken in football,i know we got top 4 with our current strikers but with the increased competition for champions league places we've got to take a gamble or we could stagnate in 5th imo
 

Dr Know

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Well I gave up years ago moaning or saying I don't want this player or that player as it makes no bloody difference. The last time I lost my voice shouting at the TV trying to tell my beloved team not to take back Chimbo and Keane and it showed I don't know what I'm talking about because Keane came in and did the job, all be it short term. My stance is Harry knows what he's doing, he's been in the game for a long time. I still think Levy is the best chairman in the EPL but I don't like the "down to the wire, who blinks first wins" strategy he tends to have
 
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