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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 13th August 2024

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BENNO

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I agree with that. I mean the season kicks off this weekend FFS.

No time for anyone to buy a replacement. In a sense I'm not that surprised by the news. It's just a bit disappointing. So much for the "very confident we can get the alternative over the line" stuff. What are these guys doing? This looks like a bit of a mess.

Seems like Ange wanted a striker - fine, he's got one. But the lack of really good options in AM and wing is going to hurt us this year IMO, unless we get really lucky with Moore or Johnson coming good.

Let's just hope we learn how to defend this year
Fyi Not every team that is selling a player will be looking to replace that player - as an example, we sold Emmerson but are not looking to buy a right back as we already had one. And while i wouldn't put money on us buying him, a player like Eze with a release clause can be sold at any time, so until the window closes there are at least some options open.
 

Wig

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Still trying for a winger but getting one of the top few names on our list has proven to be more difficult than anticipated. As I mentioned in a post a few days ago, if there isn't a breakthrough in negotiations with one of the two players we believe are significant upgrades, we'll be faced with the decision of either spending significant money on a player who may be somewhere between 0 and 10% better than what we have, or keeping our financial powder dry until January in the hope that someone higher up the list shakes loose.
Hmm. After a lot of early confidence in getting our targets in this window it feels like expectations are being managed now.
 

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Not looking great for the new recruitment team. We badly need a winger.
Could have picked any number of the posts above, but...

First, we essentially have two new wingers signed already for the first team in Hyuk and Moore. Yes young and yes potential, but they are going to be considered as first team options moving forward. And given it seems likely that Solomon is not going to be a part of things moving forward, that is an improvement already.

Secondly, just signing anyone is exactly the problem we've had in the past. If the shortlist is three or four players that we really believe will move the needle, and for whatever reason there is a problem in getting any of them, then surely sticking rather than just throwing money at a body is a better decision.

As much as we should be looking to add a top quality winger (which we clearly are) it wasn't the only way we could improve from last year. It's not all doom and gloom.
 

fecka

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Not looking great for the new recruitment team. We badly need a winger.
Agree, but I can somewhat see why the club is struggling.
Looking at the market, the seemingly available options are either not clear upgrades or major gambles due to things like injury history.

Not a great situation to be in when RW is arguably our weakest position.
 

felmani26

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Oh also, on Solomon, heard it on very good authority that he has not been given a squad number for the coming season.
Writing was certainly on the wall when he failed to register a single minute in our last three pre season games.
 

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felmani26

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Agree, but I can somewhat see why the club is struggling.
Looking at the market, the seemingly available options are either not clear upgrades or major gambles due to things like injury history.

Not a great situation to be in when RW is arguably our weakest position.
Neto was clearly the overwhelming choice unfortunately.

That being said, you can trust the recruitment process and be disappointed in not obtaining a RW this summer.
 

fecka

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Neto was clearly the overwhelming choice unfortunately.

That being said, you can trust the recruitment process and be disappointed in not obtaining a RW this summer.
He was, but while we had some reassuring posts regarding his injury history he would still have been a gamble because of it so I can see why the club didn't immediately throw 60m at Wolves.
Same with Chiesa despite him being significantly less expensive.
 

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Could have picked any number of the posts above, but...

First, we essentially have two new wingers signed already for the first team in Hyuk and Moore. Yes young and yes potential, but they are going to be considered as first team options moving forward. And given it seems likely that Solomon is not going to be a part of things moving forward, that is an improvement already.

Secondly, just signing anyone is exactly the problem we've had in the past. If the shortlist is three or four players that we really believe will move the needle, and for whatever reason there is a problem in getting any of them, then surely sticking rather than just throwing money at a body is a better decision.

As much as we should be looking to add a top quality winger (which we clearly are) it wasn't the only way we could improve from last year. It's not all doom and gloom.
Also, we've done a lot of work clearing the deck, which is an often a forgotten positive of a transfer window.

The lack of a RW option will feel like a kick in the balls, especially after the chase for Neto but there's no point spending if we can't get what we want.
Enough people complain about Werner and he's only on loan.

It's not over yet but even if it is, it hasn't been a terrible window, just not as good as we wanted.
 

Joshua

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Our last two signings on the wing have been Werner on loan lol. Absolutely must push to secure a quality wide man before the end of the window. Waiting till Jan far too much of a risk.
 

WiganSpur

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I always think it's best to wait for the right player, despite the lack of short term upgrade. It's what Liverpool did with both Van Dijk and Alisson. People will probably come back and say that the back up could be a Van de Ven or Kulu, but they were both more than a 10% upgrade and I'm sure were actual back up choice (maybe even in fact first in the case of VdV), not further down the list, which is what this sounds like.
I don’t think anyone is disputing this are they. The ITK implies that we have potentially found the right players. What we don’t know is whether the difficulties are us not liking asking prices or players being reluctant to move. If the former is true then we should act decisively and pay over market value if necessary for one of the two players that would significantly strengthen us. But no one is saying just get anyone in.
 

nicdic

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And I guess not really new info, but looks Lo Celso is not in Ange's plans at all, and that Devine is more than likely going to be out on loan.
 

jackson

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I always think it's best to wait for the right player, despite the lack of short term upgrade. It's what Liverpool did with both Van Dijk and Alisson. People will probably come back and say that the back up could be a Van de Ven or Kulu, but they were both more than a 10% upgrade and I'm sure were actual back up choice (maybe even in fact first in the case of VdV), not further down the list, which is what this sounds like.
Liverpool raised their bids and stumped up the required cash for 'the right players' we're seemingly waiting for the selling clubs to lower their asking prices for 'the right players' which when you're talking about top players and clubs that don't want/need to sell is why we won't sign them.

If you're identifying a small selection of top players and won't settle for less (probably rightly so) then unfortunately you've got to pay up or move on to another strategy.
 

Danny1

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We have to hope that WLB disagree is due to the info being wrong. Ange has been incredibly vocal about bringing in new forward players. We need competition at RW.
 

BENNO

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Neto was clearly the overwhelming choice unfortunately.

That being said, you can trust the recruitment process and be disappointed in not obtaining a RW this summer.
Yeah that is absolutely a fair comment.
 
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