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Mr Pink

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You were talking about the importance of Schneirderlin for Pochettino. I would have thought the reasons for comparing it to AVB's proposed signing of a player he considered essential to his system was pretty obvious.

You're doing more than comparing, you're telling me one is worth the money and the other isn't. And neither transfer has happened.

How you're quite leaping to that conclusion is beyond me considering Moutinho has never even stepped foot in this league.
 
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SpurSince57

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Moutinho was arguably a bigger piece to AVB's puzzle than Schneiderlin is to ours purely on the basis that we have players here that can fundamentally develop into what Schneiderlin brought in Poch's system for Southampton.

Perhaps you'd better email Mo and let him know that.
 

SteveH

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So the question becomes, how does Poch deal with this. It seems highly probable that he won't get this player

Harry forced Levy's hand when he wanted a midfielder and it would be the beginning of the end for him

AVB seemed to be unable to cope, at all, with the fact that we sometimes miss out on players. The more he lost, the more drab we became

Can Pochetinno adjust his plans and find another player or will this cause him issues? Please let if be the former.

But I'm all for forgetting this guy. He's a good player but everything about this transfer is turning toxic

Poch will have enough old contacts at Southhampton to be ahead of the game re MS. He will be aware of what is doable and when its time to walk away. As we are not desperate time is not our enemy 'this time'.
 

felmani26

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Perhaps you'd better email Mo and let him know that.
Well if the opportunity presents itself to buy the real McCoy then he's going to invite that with open arms.

Point is, I have real faith in his ability to make Capoue practically step into Schneiderlin's shoes and to develop Bentaleb into a nice protege.
 

TEESSIDE1

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Poch will have enough old contacts at Southhampton to be ahead of the game re MS. He will be aware of what is doable and when its time to walk away. As we are not desperate time is not our enemy 'this time'.

As you say time is not our enemy and from Levy's pov we've already got a few decent central midfielders who have the potential to improve under the Poch. Just look at the improvement in Lennon, Townsend and Rose already. If Poch can work the same magic with an already improving Capoue, Sandro, Dembele and Paulinho then MS whom although would be a very good signing, is in fact a luxury and not essential.
 

Led Revolver

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Next port of call re Schneiderlin will be Southampton's game at the weekend. It's quite evident that nothing is about to happen imminently.

Him & his agent are playing this with a straight bat. If he isn't involved at the weekend I'd expect us to resubmit our bid mid/end of next week. If that doesn't work, he may hand in a transfer request 2-3 days before the end of the window. Tottenham & Pochettino will be well aware of any strategic plan you can be sure & alternatives may/may not have been drawn up, depending on interest in Sandro/Capoue/Paulinho.
 

SpurSince57

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Well if the opportunity presents itself to buy the real McCoy then he's going to invite that with open arms.

Point is, I have real faith in his ability to make Capoue practically step into Schneiderlin's shoes and to develop Bentaleb into a nice protege.

So you may, but in that case why are we bothering to pursue Schneiderlin?
 

Mr Pink

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So you may, but in that case why are we bothering to pursue Schneiderlin?

My opinion is that MS and Capoue arn't really that similar. The former covers more ground, is more mobile and agile than the latter.

Bentaleb is a bit more similar to be fair. But as MS even points out himself, it takes months to learn and master Poch's requirements.

I'd say having someone who understands them to a tee, in the busiest area of the pitch, is why we're pursuing him. Not to mention he's absolute quality and is better, all round, than what we have for one of those positions in the two.
 
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MS aint worth 24M or even 20M, if they wait till jan his price will be lower, he obviously aint going to play much part for soton and he wont be playing anywhere nr his best as he is not going to be happy there and fans will probably give him a hard time. MS will be furious if we mmet the asking price and now they change it. Soton should sell now but they need to keep face with fans as their board have sold the core of their team, its a losi g battle for Soton.
 

St José Dominguez

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We should just tell Soton to piss off. Let MS kick off well and truly and then whatsapp them deadline day, "so, how's it going?".
 

SpurSince57

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As you say time is not our enemy and from Levy's pov we've already got a few decent central midfielders who have the potential to improve under the Poch. Just look at the improvement in Lennon, Townsend and Rose already. If Poch can work the same magic with an already improving Capoue, Sandro, Dembele and Paulinho then MS whom although would be a very good signing, is in fact a luxury and not essential.

As far as I'm concerned, he falls into the Highly Desirable But Not Absolutely Essential category. If Mo didn't think he was better than what we have, we obviously wouldn't be bothering, but it's equally obvious that we're not going to pay crazy money. We've got over two weeks to go, so we're not trying to pull off a complicated deal in five days, as was the case with Moutinho; all the pressure's on Southampton, particularly if Schneiderlin refuses to play.
 

St José Dominguez

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My opinion is that MS and Capoue arn't really that similar. The former covers more ground, is more mobile and agile than the latter.

Bentaleb is a bit more similar to be fair. But as MS even points out himself, it takes months to learn and master Poch's requirements.

I'd say having someone who understands them to a tee, in the busiest area of the pitch, is why we're pursuing him. Not to mention he's absolute quality and is better, all round, than what we have for one of those positions in the two.

A lot of this is guesswork though as we've yet to see what Poch does with our current crop. He made Schneiderlin what he is now. I agree though that it would be very beneficial to have a player engrained with Pochs philosophy and a good player as well. We need Schneiderlin, I'm not convinced we need a Schneiderlin.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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I'd say Soton is playing a dangerous game here...arguably there is no other team for whom Schneiderlin would be more valuable than Spurs. And, by January, he may be even less valuable to Spurs depending on how well the other CMs develop.

So, they may be stuck with a very disgruntled player, and lose 25-33% of his value for no reason other than their own pride.
 

Gedson100

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I don't really buy the 'AVB demands this player', 'Poch needs that player' stuff.

They both got hired in as coaches rather than the classic old school manager style of Harry 'I'll buy all the players' Redknapp. They coach the players. That's it. It riled me today to see Poch repeatedly asked questions about transfers when it's nowhere near his remit. You might as well ask Aaron Lennon about the stadium plans; sure he's linked to the organisation, but it's just not his department.

Once the transfer window shuts, they work with what they've got. Our only obviously troublesome position is CB & even then we've still got 5 of the buggers to play there. We've a deep solid squad and some big ideas to move forward with but there'll be a good deal of panic on here if players don't arrive in the coming weeks.

Guess what? We'll cope.
 

ParkySpur

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How dare they up the price and move the goalposts. I don't know any current premier league chairman that would do such a thing? It's an outrage!!


Hi Daniel!
It takes me ages to read your posts!

Every time I get to the next line I get distracted for some reason!! So I start again, but she's there every time!!
 

ParkySpur

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As far as I'm concerned, he falls into the Highly Desirable But Not Absolutely Essential category. If Mo didn't think he was better than what we have, we obviously wouldn't be bothering, but it's equally obvious that we're not going to pay crazy money. We've got over two weeks to go, so we're not trying to pull off a complicated deal in five days, as was the case with Moutinho; all the pressure's on Southampton, particularly if Schneiderlin refuses to play.
Spot on. And in his case, if it doesn't happen then I can't see there being an alternative. If Mustachio doesn't work out, I get the feeling we'd have back up plans.
 

sloth

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My guess on Schneiderlin is that Koeman threatened to resign if he was sold.

My guess on MM is that Villareal have said they want a few mil more, but not to share it with the partners. I.e. we won't sell at 35% of £17m, but if we offer another £5m or so, that they can keep to themselves and not share with the other rights holders, then it's a deal!
 
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