The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 12 January 2011

[ryantegan]

Did the article you posted not mention loan?

that was on another site. its only coming up the past few minutes on twitter

 

[ryantegan]

It's not ITK.

And Benzema's goalscoring record for Real in La Liga is only marginally better than Crouchinho's for us. This does not strike me as a recommendation.

sorry my bad :-|

 

[Raxscallion]

its a bit hand bags in here aint it?

Y'mum on toast!


Is it just me, or does it seem like the pool of decent strikers in the world has dwindled to a handful? Everyone seems to be fighting over the same players, and even half of them aren't quite what we need.

I know we're looking for a different class of player these days, but surely there are more top strikers out there than this? With a supposedly top class scouting team, how come all our targets (apparently) are ones that everyone knows already? Where are the undiscovered diamonds, the next big thing from the back of beyond?

Hmmph. Sign a striker already Levy.

 

[Rackybear]

Y'mum on toast!


Is it just me, or does it seem like the pool of decent strikers in the world has dwindled to a handful? Everyone seems to be fighting over the same players, and even half of them aren't quite what we need.

I know we're looking for a different class of player these days, but surely there are more top strikers out there than this? With a supposedly top class scouting team, how come all our targets (apparently) are ones that everyone knows already? Where are the undiscovered diamonds, the next big thing from the back of beyond?

Hmmph. Sign a striker already Levy.

Every scout in the world must be wondering the same thing then. Clearly a lack of upcoming, young raw talent out there. The ones that have been hyped up, no club has the balls to take a risk on.... there are a few names that have been mentioned though. City got the best one on the market atm I feel in Dzeko, he is a complete player, like Drogba. Strength, goalscoring prowess, speed, great on the deck and in the air, two footed.

 

[Darrkespur]

According to the Guardian (not sure if its the english one) were offering £20m

Segun The Guardian: El Tottenham estarían dispuestos a poner 20 millones de euros por el delantero del Real Madrid "Karim Benzema

Bent->Villa, Pav and Keane -> Sunderland, Benzema ->Spurs, Tevez->Madrid?

 

[Byron]

It's not ITK.

And Benzema's goalscoring record for Real in La Liga is only marginally better than Crouchinho's for us. This does not strike me as a recommendation.

im not knocking you but if what i've just looked up is correct if you add up Benezmas minutes it adds up to 8 and a half games in the league and just under 3 in the champions leauge compared to Crouchies 22 APPEARANCES in the league and 7 in the champs. i cant find crouchies minutes on the field at the mo but maybe the minutes per goal are very similiar or maybe even favouring Benezma?

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

there is a lack of quality left backs. evra and cole are best. all rest in my eyes are very very average and as good as each other. should put in bid for that benfica lad !! contreau. he is class.. by way if harry says he can see bale in left back position in future thats good enough for me.

Eh? ITK on BAE not being as good as Evra? Maybe if ITK means I think K-not.

One player that is available that would be an upgrade on BAE, and no I'm not a BAE hater.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-n.../8/tottenham-battle-benfica-£5m-marseille-ace

5 million-peanuts......will be a free in the summer.

Please, do me a favour. I'll give you some ITK, BAE has been one of our better players this season and probably the best left back in the league. We won't find a better left back I am certain of that and Taiwo...Jesus wept.

The Mail has mentioned Vucinic being a target.

Vucinic is absolute quality. If only there was a real link. He wants to leave but Ranieri is saying no at the moment.

Yes, Vucinic's record of scoring in fewer than a third of his games for one of the best sides in a league which has been inferior to ours throughout his professional career really makes him just what we need.

While we're at it, let's get Jay Bothroyd. He has just better than a one in three record in an inferior league.

BBLG, you should know better. Vucinic has played massive parts of his Roma career stuck out on the left. Roma build there entire team around one man and the pieces simply have to fit around him. When Vucinic finally got to play up top he was absolutely stellar. I think his record up front would be better than 1 in 2 even in a defensive minded team in a defensive league. Not only that, his touch is excellent, he reads the game well, intelligent, tall, not linked by ITK.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I think it has a lot to do with the shift throughout the world from 442 to 451/433/4411. If teams only play with one centre forward, then fewer centre forwards are going to get the chance to impress, and it stands to reason that the fewer forwards there are with the opportunity to impress, the fewer there will be who actually do impress.

Then once there is one who does, all sorts of excuses are made as to why he's not right. Carroll, too old fashioned. Suarez, not quite a number 9. Fabiano, moody fucker.

Dimitar Berbatovs do not grow on trees, neither to Drogba's, and neither do Torreseseses. There are, however, some good strikers who may even become as good as those mentioned given the opportunity.

 

[sunnydelight786]

Every scout in the world must be wondering the same thing then. Clearly a lack of upcoming, young raw talent out there. The ones that have been hyped up, no club has the balls to take a risk on.... there are a few names that have been mentioned though. City got the best one on the market atm I feel in Dzeko, he is a complete player, like Drogba. Strength, goalscoring prowess, speed, great on the deck and in the air, two footed.

Agree with that... Bargains are to be had if you scout well/hard enough. Hernandez at Utd looks a class act and a snip at £6m, nobody in the English media was even talking about him when Utd snapped him up.

Truth is the established stars are not gonna join us due to the fee involved or wages hence we have to try and snap up the next big things e.g. Lukaku, Eden Hazard (midfield), Kjaer (when we had the chance), etc....

 

[Zimmy]

Interesting that they beleive we agreed a deal for Benzema, only for Mourinho to veto it. Will that change if they get Adebayor

It doesn't say that we agreed anything, only that we attempted to loan Benzema but were rebuffed as he is the only fit striker they have for the rest of the season.

 

[kdspur]

Eh? ITK on BAE not being as good as Evra? Maybe if ITK means I think K-not.



Please, do me a favour. I'll give you some ITK, BAE has been one of our better players this season and probably the best left back in the league. We won't find a better left back I am certain of that and Taiwo...Jesus wept.



Vucinic is absolute quality. If only there was a real link. He wants to leave but Ranieri is saying no at the moment.



BBLG, you should know better. Vucinic has played massive parts of his Roma career stuck out on the left. Roma build there entire team around one man and the pieces simply have to fit around him. When Vucinic finally got to play up top he was absolutely stellar. I think his record up front would be better than 1 in 2 even in a defensive minded team in a defensive league. Not only that, his touch is excellent, he reads the game well, intelligent, tall, not linked by ITK.

seriously . do u think ekotto is better than evra, that what u saying?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

BBLG, you should know better. Vucinic has played massive parts of his Roma career stuck out on the left. Roma build there entire team around one man and the pieces simply have to fit around him. When Vucinic finally got to play up top he was absolutely stellar. I think his record up front would be better than 1 in 2 even in a defensive minded team in a defensive league. Not only that, his touch is excellent, he reads the game well, intelligent, tall, not linked by ITK.

I know, I was just being abnoxious

 

[Zimmy]

Vucinic story is in the Express as well.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

seriously . do u think ekotto is better than evra, that what u saying?

I do. Evra has had his day and has been on the downturn for a couple of seasons now. Like I said, only A.Hole has any argument in favour of him being better than Ekotto in this league. Ekotto's only real regular downside is that he does stand off a little, but I can't think of many modern fullbacks who aren't guilty of this. He is also a great passer out of defence, very good on the ball, brilliant at sweeping behind on the rare occasions that a ball is played between our centre backs and is never outpaced by a winger when any ball played is in behind him.

 

[Zimmy]

I'm sorry but the above post is madness. Evra would have never put in a performance like Ekotto did against Everton the other night, not in a million years. To suggest they are on the same level is slanderous, to suggest Ekotto is better is criminal.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

seriously . do u think ekotto is better than evra, that what u saying?

Yes it's what I am saying. Wasn't it clear?

I'm quite fortunate to be able to see all the games here without the mindless twittering gibberish of English commentary. Every time I go back home it drives me insane that without doing anything wrong the media start looking for faults in particular players and then when they have a bad game it is blown up way out of proportion. BAE has put in some absolutely stellar performances this season and how anyone can doubt that is beyond me, but then I don't know what crap is being fed into the brains of the unsuspecting viewers over there.

On the other hand Evra has looked short of his usual self since the world cup (Cole too) and whilst not being bad hasn't exactly been great. He hates pace as well, Lennon scares the bejesus out of him every time they play even if Lennon is off form.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I take it you missed last summers World Cup? Or the 2009 league cup final for that matter.

Edit: I see IOMLS beat me to it on both points.

 

[Rackybear]

Agree to disagree. My personal opinion is that at the current moment in time, Ekotto's form is better then Evra's (bar the everton game). Evra is far more consistent generally speaking though, infact I cant actually remember him having a bad game for ManU.

Ohh true BBLG, he did get destroyed by Lennon. However, I think that was more of a masterclass from Modric getting the space to supply those balls and perhaps less so Evra's deficiencies as a defender. Everyone comes across an opponent on fire, just ask Maicon.

 

[Zimmy]

On the other hand Evra has looked short of his usual self since the world cup (Cole too) and whilst not being bad hasn't exactly been great.

'Not bad but not exactly great', in other words he has been steady. Unlike Ekotto who has been brilliant at times, and awful at others. I know which kind of full back I'd raher have.

He hates pace as well, Lennon scares the bejesus out of him every time they play even if Lennon is off form.

I don't recall Lennon scaring him much when we played them three days ago.

 

[HailKingLevy]

Not sure if we even need a super star striker, can't we just
get someone a bit like linekar of old. an old fashioned goal
hanger , Surely there must be someone out there that can be
in the right place at the right time, With our width and pace it's
not essential for a hold up player really.