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midoshairband

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bit of a wobble after the solid opening, but in what is likely to be a rain affected game, on a supposed good wicket for seamers, if we get to 300 we’re well in the game.

of course, being England, we could also be all out for 220 from here.
 

GLUESODA

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It was meant to read ‘minus Rabada' but mixed him up with Lamelas 'goal'

On his ban I don’t know how anyone can argue against it for consistently crossing the line
Crazy that this hasn’t been ironed out of his game yet

As a saffer, I obviously think the ban is utter nonsense in a format that is losing its appeal quickly - if that was Ben Stokes you Poms would be completely out-raged for a celebration that shock the entire ground with passion

In a test Match where SA were completely toothless, irrational and outplayed it was the one moment where you sat up and wanted to see that again. There was no malice, foul language or physical confrontation just pure emotion.

Pathetic ICC, and I as many fans lost interest after that decision. Being a decent bowler in my youth, taking the prized wicket of the opposition is why you play the game, it’s exhilarating.

Take it out his game?? Fuck might as well send him off to play bowls...
 

southlondonyiddo

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As a saffer, I obviously think the ban is utter nonsense in a format that is losing its appeal quickly - if that was Ben Stokes you Poms would be completely out-raged for a celebration that shock the entire ground with passion

In a test Match where SA were completely toothless, irrational and outplayed it was the one moment where you sat up and wanted to see that again. There was no malice, foul language or physical confrontation just pure emotion.

Pathetic ICC, and I as many fans lost interest after that decision. Being a decent bowler in my youth, taking the prized wicket of the opposition is why you play the game, it’s exhilarating.

Take it out his game?? Fuck might as well send him off to play bowls...

Cannot agree mate and if that was or had been Stokes who consistently got in the batsman’s personal space when celebrating a wicket then I’d 100% back another 'yellow card' and ultimately a game ban

Rabada has previous and lots of it. You cannot celebrate by getting in the space or face of the batsman you’ve just dismissed. He even got away with one with Crawley's dismissal earlier in the match where he was on the edge

What happens when in the heat of the moment a batsman does not change his path to the dressing room, barges Rabadas shoulder and it ends up with him rapping his bat round his head?

Celebrate by all means as loud and proud as you want but not in the space or face of the batsman you’ve just got out. Not acceptable

Had he celebrated Roots wicket 2 yards to his right off the wicket there would be no problem whatsoever, there would be no ban and no one would be talking about it

I was a bowler, like yourself and imo his celebrations cross the line. Some people’s lines are very different to others

I played league cricket for about 30 years with and against loads of Aussies, Pakistanis and Saffers

I’ve got to say the Saffers pushed the line more than any others but that is just my personal experience
 

JimmyG2

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Stokes should be stripped of his Sports Personality award,
and banned for at least a year in all forms.
Used up his good will for thuggery by avoiding an assault charge
when acquitted of affray two years ago.
Defending a gay couple from abuse my arse if you'll excuse the expression.
Fine cricketer by any test but not a good Ambassador for what was once
the most civilised game in the world
ruined by cheating, hooliganism sledging and the new forms of cricket.

There I said it.
Probably escape with a fine about 1% of his ECB contract.
Poor show sir.
 

Ossie'sAardvark

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I cant think why a bouncer is called a wide for overhead height in a test match. ItAnyone here know ?
As a saffer, I obviously think the ban is utter nonsense in a format that is losing its appeal quickly - if that was Ben Stokes you Poms would be completely out-raged for a celebration that shock the entire ground with passion

In a test Match where SA were completely toothless, irrational and outplayed it was the one moment where you sat up and wanted to see that again. There was no malice, foul language or physical confrontation just pure emotion.

Pathetic ICC, and I as many fans lost interest after that decision. Being a decent bowler in my youth, taking the prized wicket of the opposition is why you play the game, it’s exhilarating.

Take it out his game?? Fuck might as well send him off to play bowls...
I agreed with you, right up to the KP comments on it and the replays . Its deserved, hes a silly boy.
 

GLUESODA

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Cannot agree mate and if that was or had been Stokes who consistently got in the batsman’s personal space when celebrating a wicket then I’d 100% back another 'yellow card' and ultimately a game ban

Rabada has previous and lots of it. You cannot celebrate by getting in the space or face of the batsman you’ve just dismissed. He even got away with one with Crawley's dismissal earlier in the match where he was on the edge

What happens when in the heat of the moment a batsman does not change his path to the dressing room, barges Rabadas shoulder and it ends up with him rapping his bat round his head?

Celebrate by all means as loud and proud as you want but not in the space or face of the batsman you’ve just got out. Not acceptable

Had he celebrated Roots wicket 2 yards to his right off the wicket there would be no problem whatsoever, there would be no ban and no one would be talking about it

I was a bowler, like yourself and imo his celebrations cross the line. Some people’s lines are very different to others

I played league cricket for about 30 years with and against loads of Aussies, Pakistanis and Saffers

I’ve got to say the Saffers pushed the line more than any others but that is just my personal experience

Fair enough, that’s how we play - we put it all out there, think the aussies are similar.

Growing up as a fast bowler we are taught to be super aggressive, get in the batsmen’s face and and that builds up till you eventually get him out - Steyn, Donald, Merv Hughes come to mind with the same approach, and I personally think with this prawn sandwich niny approach it takes away an aspect of the game me and Others love - same as sledging, it’s part of the game

Take this raw batsman vs fast bowler contest away and I’m not hooked anymore.
one of my favorite memories of test cricket is Donald vs atherton - amazing. If Donald got him out during that marathon innings he would have gone besurk and rightfully so. Artherton gets this as he said in he’s interview

Did Rabada push the line celebrating, probably yes - did he hurt, offend or disadvantage someone? I still think it was pure theatre, something cricket badly needs.
If stokes did that to De Kock maybe I’d feel differently!

Maybe when you national team is as shit as SA it’s the only thing to cling onto!

Either way congrats on another win in SA, England are playing some clinical cricket and have been very impressed with with Roots captaincy

Great chat
 

Arnoldtoo

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Look, I've got to apologise.

Turned the cricket on as soon as I had the chance and the very first ball I see gets Pope out.

It's a really shit superpower.
 

southlondonyiddo

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Fair enough, that’s how we play - we put it all out there, think the aussies are similar.

Growing up as a fast bowler we are taught to be super aggressive, get in the batsmen’s face and and that builds up till you eventually get him out - Steyn, Donald, Merv Hughes come to mind with the same approach, and I personally think with this prawn sandwich niny approach it takes away an aspect of the game me and Others love - same as sledging, it’s part of the game

Take this raw batsman vs fast bowler contest away and I’m not hooked anymore.
one of my favorite memories of test cricket is Donald vs atherton - amazing. If Donald got him out during that marathon innings he would have gone besurk and rightfully so. Artherton gets this as he said in he’s interview

Did Rabada push the line celebrating, probably yes - did he hurt, offend or disadvantage someone? I still think it was pure theatre, something cricket badly needs.
If stokes did that to De Kock maybe I’d feel differently!

Maybe when you national team is as shit as SA it’s the only thing to cling onto!

Either way congrats on another win in SA, England are playing some clinical cricket and have been very impressed with with Roots captaincy

Great chat

Agree with 99% of all that. The Atherton/Donald confrontation was one of the great moments of Test cricket

As you said, that is what test cricket is all about

As a bowler all I wanted to do was take wickets, however I could. Sledging, trying to unsettle the batsman, always making the batsman run around me running between wickets etc etc etc (it’s a batsman’s game)

BUT when you get them out, you celebrate and move on. You don’t rub their nose in it or take the piss, or get in their face or space. I’ve got no problem even waving them off. But giving it to them in an intimidating, in your face manner, not for me

I’m sure SA cricket will come again. Cannot keep a sporting nation like your guys down for long

Off to St Mary’s now for more Mourinhoball!!!

Happy days....
 

Arnoldtoo

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As a saffer, I obviously think the ban is utter nonsense in a format that is losing its appeal quickly - if that was Ben Stokes you Poms would be completely out-raged for a celebration that shock the entire ground with passion

In a test Match where SA were completely toothless, irrational and outplayed it was the one moment where you sat up and wanted to see that again. There was no malice, foul language or physical confrontation just pure emotion.

Pathetic ICC, and I as many fans lost interest after that decision. Being a decent bowler in my youth, taking the prized wicket of the opposition is why you play the game, it’s exhilarating.

Take it out his game?? Fuck might as well send him off to play bowls...

I kind of agree with you, although I also agree with @southlondonyiddo; he was a bit too much in Root's face.

But the thing for me is that he's done it before, and he's been done for it before. He knew he was 1 point from a ban, and he still did it. It might not have been a heinous act of OTT aggression, but it sure was dumb!
 

sherbornespurs

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Agree with 99% of all that. The Atherton/Donald confrontation was one of the great moments of Test cricket

As you said, that is what test cricket is all about

But giving it to them in an intimidating, in your face manner, not for me

You're right, of course - but I really did have to control a smirk when the stump mic picked up Jos Buttler calling Vern Philander "Lizzo" a couple of tests ago.
 

sherbornespurs

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Stokes should be stripped of his Sports Personality award,
and banned for at least a year in all forms.
Used up his good will for thuggery by avoiding an assault charge
when acquitted of affray two years ago.
Defending a gay couple from abuse my arse if you'll excuse the expression.
Fine cricketer by any test but not a good Ambassador for what was once
the most civilised game in the world
ruined by cheating, hooliganism sledging and the new forms of cricket.

There I said it.
Probably escape with a fine about 1% of his ECB contract.
Poor show sir.

I, too, was ready to admit that Stokesy was out of order for rising to a bit of sledging with 'visionist' abuse aimed at a spectator: he needs to rise above that, not retaliate and be the bigger person.

Now it seems he'd been called Ed Sheeran.

Nobody should have to put up with abuse like that under any circumstances, fortunately for the spectator he didn't call him Mick Hucknall - he'd probably have had a bat wrapped around his head.
 
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SE Spurs

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Another good day for England. The Broad, Wood stand seems to have broken SA, who look totally defeated right now.
 
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