The Championship 2019/20

[ardiles&villa]

Fantastic interview from Scott afterwards

Really chuffed for him, got a bit of the mr Robson about him as well as in you can’t help but like him when he talks

 

[Ray_Evans]

Cheap. Do it Danny Boy

Sorry mate, we don't need cheap squad players we need quality now.

 

[SpursD22]

And would you take Dwight Gale and Matt Richie back in the day too?

Neither, Benrahma or Watkins looked like top PL players today. I haven't watched enough, but I didnt see anything today to suggest they will buck the trend on high scoring, and high performing Championship players, not able to match the level in the PL.

Watkins in particular, being his first big season, and knowing how much Championship goals matter, not sold. He wouldn't be given the space to turn like he is in th Championship.

I’m sorry mate but I can tell you don’t watch Championship that much, Watkins has been good in Championship for 3 seasons now. Benrahma has been one of the best players in the league for 2 seasons now, you can’t judge them on one game where the manager had a shocker in terms of how he set the team up

Also Watkins is 24, English and should be pretty cheap. No brainer if you ask me

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Sorry mate, we don't need cheap squad players we need quality now.

We will have to disagree pal. He is a good player and would be even better with the service our players could provide. He is not our Harry but he would be miles better than the strikers we have been linked with.

 

[C0YS]

I’m sorry mate but I can tell you don’t watch Championship that much, Watkins has been good in Championship for 3 seasons now. Benrahma has been one of the best players in the league for 2 seasons now, you can’t judge them on one game where the manager had a shocker in terms of how he set the team up

Also Watkins is 24, English and should be pretty cheap. No brainer if you ask me

That's exactly right. I don't watch it much, and this gives me a detached perspective. So, the evidence I have is people hyping up players in the Championship that fail to perform in the PL., and that's the point.


I also have some limited experience of watching players look very good in the championship and fail to perform in the higher leagues.

The Championship and the PL are two completely different ball games. It doesn't matter if you look like Messi in the championship, that is no guarantee that you can do it in the big leagues. While 20 goal a season strikers have a well established record of flopping in the big leagues. It's much more important to look at the individual elements of someones play and see how that can work in a different context. That takes a lot of time and quite thorough scouting, though sometimes you get a feel. Grealish for example was built for the PL, but someone like Sessegnon it doesnt feel righ when I watched those two play a few years back. I didn't get that impression today, I saw nice and tidy but little grit

I'd be shocked if any top 6 to top 10 team goes for either of the two players mentioned. If they go, and I hope they don't as they should learn from this experience and the team is well set for next season (particularly with the teams going down this year likely to struggle to bounce back). Particularly because it's a 'nice' team, if they were doing the same in an otherwise chaotic mess of hoof ball I'd be more confident of their ability to adapt.

Watkins might have impressed the seasons before, and maybe he was playing wide, but 1 in 4 is not a great return. Maybe, this season is a start of a transformation, or maybe as players learn what to expect from him he will struggle to be as effective in the championship next season. If he was 20, it would be different, but at 24 a lot of question marks, and his style today, did not seem like a good fit for a top PL side. I'm happy to be proven wrong. But experience of how championship players tend to adapt means I feel pretty confident about it.

Being a top 6 player is hard, really hard to reach that level, and it is not specific to you or specific at Championship watchers, but some people really forget this.

 

[Finchyid]

Brentford are more spursy than us. Glad to see the officiating in the championship isnt any better than the prem. gutted for Brentford, Didnt turn up.

 

[C0YS]

We will have to disagree pal. He is a good player and would be even better with the service our players could provide. He is not our Harry but he would be miles better than the strikers we have been linked with.

and many would have said the same about Callum Wilson 2014/2015, who was a much worse player then than he is now.

You might be right, but I'm far from sold.

 

[JCRD]

That's exactly right. I don't watch it much, and this gives me a detached perspective. So, the evidence I have is people hyping up players in the Championship that fail to perform in the PL., and that's the point.


I also have some limited experience of watching players look very good in the championship and fail to perform in the higher leagues.

The Championship and the PL are two completely different ball games. It doesn't matter if you look like Messi in the championship, that is no guarantee that you can do it in the big leagues. While 20 goal a season strikers have a well established record of flopping in the big leagues. It's much more important to look at the individual elements of someones play and see how that can work in a different context. That takes a lot of time and quite thorough scouting, though sometimes you get a feel. Grealish for example was built for the PL, but someone like Sessegnon it doesnt feel righ when I watched those two play a few years back. I didn't get that impression today, I saw nice and tidy but little grit

I'd be shocked if any top 6 to top 10 team goes for either of the two players mentioned. If they go, and I hope they don't as they should learn form this experience and the team is well set for next season (particularly with the teams going down this year likely to struggle to bounce back). Particularly because it's a 'nice' team, if they were doing the same in an otherwise chaotic mess of hoof ball I'd be more confident of their ability to adapt.

Watkins might have impressed the seasons before, and maybe he was playing wide, but 1 in 4 is not a great return. Maybe, this season is a start of a transformation, or maybe as players learn what to expect from him he will struggle to be as effective in the championship next season. If he was 20, it would be different, but at 14 a lot of question marks, and his style today, did not seem like a good fit for a top PL side. I'm happy to be proven wrong. But experience of how championship players tend to adapt means I feel pretty confident about it.

Being a top 6 player is hard, really hard to reach that level, and it is not specific to you or specific at Championship watchers, but some people really forget this.

You are correct but you can say that about any player in any league compared to the PL - the PL is the most physical and fastest league in the league if not the best tactically etc. So many players have looked great in the other top four leagues yet come here and fail. The Championship however is just as quick just as physical as the PL. .

I would take a Watkins for 18m to sit on the bench as back up but that wont happen as we would prioritise that cash elsewhere and get a loan to sit on the bench i.e. Deeney.

 

[C0YS]

You are correct but you can say that about any player in any league compared to the PL - the PL is the most physical and fastest league in the league if not the best tactically etc. So many players have looked great in the other top four leagues yet come here and fail. The Championship however is just as quick just as physical as the PL. .

I would take a Watkins for 18m to sit on the bench as back up but that wont happen as we would prioritise that cash elsewhere and get a loan to sit on the bench i.e. Deeney.

It's quick and physical in a completely different way. There is so much more space in the Championship. But the level in quality is also very different. Even the quality in the top 4 leagues. The PL and La Liga are miles and miles ahead of every other league, and you have to take similar cautions. Look at what they do, more than headline performances or stats.

18m is a lot to spend on someone who is 24 and unproven. Particularly, as I say, when was the last striker to score those kind of goals in the Championship and then go on to do well in the top 6?

I don't know if I can think of one. I guess abraham? Though that is a player who was sort of coached and nurtured in the top level, so a bit different.. Vardy? Though his record in the Championship was mediocre. Troy Deeney is probably the biggest success in recent times, but not top level. Ings might be now, but wasn't back then. It's a big bridge to cross. 18m can get you something of a much better known quality.

 

[JCRD]

It's quick and physical in a completely different way. There is so much more space in the Championship. But the level in quality is also very different. Even the quality in the top 4 leagues. The PL and La Liga are miles and miles ahead of every other league, and you have to take similar cautions. Look at what they do, more than headline performances or stats.

18m is a lot to spend on someone who is 24 and unproven. Particularly, as I say, when was the last striker to score those kind of goals in the Championship and then go on to do well in the top 6?

I don't know if I can think of one. I guess abraham? Though that is a player who was sort of coached and nurtured in the top level, so a bit different.. Vardy? Though his record in the Championship was mediocre. Troy Deeney is probably the biggest success in recent times, but not top level. Ings might be now, but wasn't back then. It's a big bridge to cross. 18m can get you something of a much better known quality.

You're right but you can go out and spend 30m and get a soldado who was not a success and I really liked soldado before he came.

Same goes for janssen...

Didn't West ham spend 40m on Haller who was scoring a few in Bundesliga?

They were proven in their leagues but came here and couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.

I think if you have 20m to spend on a back up you could do worse than championship. If Fulham hadn't gone up tonight I'd have slapped an offer in for mitrovic who I friggin live.

 

[C0YS]

You're right but you can go out and spend 30m and get a soldado who was not a success and I really liked soldado before he came.

Same goes for janssen...

Didn't West ham spend 40m on Haller who was scoring a few in Bundesliga?

They were proven in their leagues but came here and couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.

I think if you have 20m to spend on a back up you could do worse than championship. If Fulham hadn't gone up tonight I'd have slapped an offer in for mitrovic who I friggin live.

I get that. But Soldado, while failing, still at least was able to contribute to almost 80 appearances and be 'useful' and there was way more evidence of Soldado making it then this guy. Even Haller has performed better than most top tier Championship signings. but thats by the by

Mitrovic has proved himself in the PL already, its a very different thing. There is always risk, but for a player which we don't want to spend too much time bedding in I genuinely think settling on Wilson, or dare I say Deeney, is the best option.

 

[tototoner]

Always liked Scott Parker

 

[Gassin's finest]

 

[Hakkz]

Parker has done a great job for Fulham - he deserves this.

Better manager than Lampard, more tactically switched on imo.

Is he a West Ham fan or is he one of us? I could see him ending up at West Ham once they get rid of Moyes.

I hope the fact that he did youth coaching here and not at Spam means he is one of us.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

It's quick and physical in a completely different way. There is so much more space in the Championship. But the level in quality is also very different. Even the quality in the top 4 leagues. The PL and La Liga are miles and miles ahead of every other league, and you have to take similar cautions. Look at what they do, more than headline performances or stats.

18m is a lot to spend on someone who is 24 and unproven. Particularly, as I say, when was the last striker to score those kind of goals in the Championship and then go on to do well in the top 6?

I don't know if I can think of one. I guess abraham? Though that is a player who was sort of coached and nurtured in the top level, so a bit different.. Vardy? Though his record in the Championship was mediocre. Troy Deeney is probably the biggest success in recent times, but not top level. Ings might be now, but wasn't back then. It's a big bridge to cross. 18m can get you something of a much better known quality.

Who had you in mind?

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

It's quick and physical in a completely different way. There is so much more space in the Championship. But the level in quality is also very different. Even the quality in the top 4 leagues. The PL and La Liga are miles and miles ahead of every other league, and you have to take similar cautions. Look at what they do, more than headline performances or stats.

18m is a lot to spend on someone who is 24 and unproven. Particularly, as I say, when was the last striker to score those kind of goals in the Championship and then go on to do well in the top 6?

I don't know if I can think of one. I guess abraham? Though that is a player who was sort of coached and nurtured in the top level, so a bit different.. Vardy? Though his record in the Championship was mediocre. Troy Deeney is probably the biggest success in recent times, but not top level. Ings might be now, but wasn't back then. It's a big bridge to cross. 18m can get you something of a much better known quality.

Really strange how many on this site propose sending Skipp, Clarke, Parrott, Cirkin, Foyth, etc out on loan into the Championship for experience. If the league is good enough for them it must also be good enough to recruit from that league to.

 

[riggi]

Haha