The beginning of the end...

[Coyboy]

I’m sorry mate no offence but all I see in your post is loads of excuses. The poor performances speak for themselves. People see what they want to see I guess. I’m not saying you’re wrong, it’s just the way we choose to interpret what we see. You are choosing to believe their were justified reasons why we’ve been playing so poorly for so long, and if you asked me in May I’d have possibly been with you, but it’s continued this season which is now setting alarm bells ringing. No one is panicking yet but it’s worrying.

Not at all, there were some poor performances I was just trying to provide perspective and show that there were not exclusively or even more poor than good performances.

I was providing mitigation rather than excuses. I think until Sunday we all agreed that we had suffered more with absences than City and Liverpool and had been unable to play Son, Dele, Kane and Eriksen in many games together.

But you are right for some games there are no excuses but there are reasons that we played poorly and these are, for me, fixable as opposed to being symptomatic of some cancerous unrest.

 

[Stamford]

Bearing in mind what I said about his personal interviews and him coming across as jovial and more approachable and just generally different to his demeanor in front of the press, what do you think the players pick up on and what do you think he tells the players? I think the Poch we see in front of the cameras is a very different person behind it.

I dont know what happens behind doors but I think he has been a lot less jovial and approachable in the last year. Maybe part of that is the negotiations with Levy which seemingly play out in public but the everyone in it together mentality we previously had is gone. My worry is that his his mixed messages dont really work. As a fan I think all the excuses for him are now gone - no more Wembley, he has the big signings he wanted, full pre-season so my expectations are high.

 

[Stamford]

Not at all, there were some poor performances I was just trying to provide perspective and show that there were not exclusively or even more poor than good performances.

I was providing mitigation rather than excuses. I think until Sunday we all agreed that we had suffered more with absences than City and Liverpool and had been unable to play Son, Dele, Kane and Eriksen in many games together.

But you are right for some games there are no excuses but there are reasons that we played poorly and these are, for me, fixable as opposed to being symptomatic of some cancerous unrest.

I dont think its even one performance. Yeah we lost at the weekend, that happens to even the best teams. More worrying is the pattern of play has disappeared and we seem to suffer the same issues in breaking teams down. I'll cry if we appoint Mourinho.

 

[spursfan77]

I think it’s sad that our fans have to jump on the manager after 3 games. He deserves more respect and he has earned the right to have more time to put things right.

That's literally what 99% of people who are concerned about him and our results are saying as well.

 

[Tonio]

How do you know for a fact that he lost the dressing room? Only Facts.

How do you know for a fact he hasn't lost the dressing room? Only Facts.

 

[spursfan77]

Come on, lets just get Harry back, yeah?

https://www.football365.com/news/harry-redknapp-great-lad-eriksen-has-to-play

Bit of 5 a side, ketchup on the table, let the lads have some fun. Play your best players, let them express themselves. Simple game, innit.

You joke, but sometimes that's exactly what a set of players need to hear. Poch previously said that our players need to enjoy playing to perform at their best. It is all a bit too serious.

 

[Wadec]

Cant shake the feeling that Sunday is huge for Poch. The NLD will set the tone for the international break, need to be going into it on a positive.

If the performance is flat I think there will be petrol thrown on this situation by the media etc.

That being said, it's a perfect game to galvanise the team and get everyone on side. A performance will ease the concerns of everyone all round.

Huge few days ahead.

 

[Gassin's finest]

You joke, but sometimes that's exactly what a set of players need to hear. Poch previously said that our players need to enjoy playing to perform at their best. It is all a bit too serious.

 

[Dougal]

How do you know for a fact he hasn't lost the dressing room? Only Facts.

I would imagine the burden of proof for a negative claim would lie with the accuser.

 

[Tonio]

I would imagine the burden of proof for a negative claim would lie with the accuser.

You ought to be a lawyer Dougal.

 

[Dougal]

You ought to be a lawyer Dougal.

Either that or just watch less telly.

 

[Coyboy]

I dont think its even one performance. Yeah we lost at the weekend, that happens to even the best teams. More worrying is the pattern of play has disappeared and we seem to suffer the same issues in breaking teams down. I'll cry if we appoint Mourinho.

Me neither and never said as much.

 

[Coco-1101]

How do you know for a fact he hasn't lost the dressing room? Only Facts.

I am not blabbering about something or am I. I never implied that ever.

 

[FeilSpurs]

3 ITKs now all saying similar things, not good.

Who is the third one?

don't have the time to read back true the tread right now, but saw the info from
ValenciaYid and Trix but not a 3rd one...

Appreciate the info

 

[mattyspurs]

It always takes it toll being so close to success and it ending in failure, Poch especially is an extremely emotional guy and it's going to be hard to pick ourselves back up from losing the ultimate game and I think that's going to take a few months of football and a few honest words between players and manager. I'd hate to see it end without anything to show for it trophy wise.

I feel so dirty for even saying this as I hate the ****’s, but it didn’t take Klopp and the Liverpool players long to pick themselves up after losing the CL final the season before last.

Poch should be using them as a yardstick for the motivation for the rest of the season and the players should be big enough to rise to the challenge

 

[wrd]

I feel so dirty for even saying this as I hate the ****’s, but it didn’t take Klopp and the Liverpool players long to pick themselves up after losing the CL final the season before last.

Poch should be using them as a yardstick for the motivation for the rest of the season and the players should be big enough to rise to the challenge

Yeah there's no getting away from the fact they showed a significantly stronger mentality.

 

[leray]

Yeah there's no getting away from the fact they showed a significantly stronger mentality.

They managed to create a kind of siege mentality and that some forces out of their control were responsible for that defeat. There was that foul on Salah (and refs mistake), that concussion from Karius which made him the worst goalkeeper on the planet.

That made them feel like somehow they were on a mission last season. Written in the stars and all that.

 

[Stamford]

They managed to create a kind of siege mentality and that some forces out of their control were responsible for that defeat. There was that foul on Salah (and refs mistake), that concussion from Karius which made him the worst goalkeeper on the planet.

That made them feel like somehow they were on a mission last season. Written in the stars and all that.

True but its also in their history to win big. We turned up (both club and fans) in Madrid like it was a day out.

 

[Doughtyafg]

Hi! First time poster, long time lurker.

Firstly, after the transfer window I just wanted to thank all the ITK’s for snippets they passed on, as someone (like everyone here) that loves the club it’s great hearing more information than offered by other avenues.

Also with regards to the dressing room. I’m not sure it’s too drastic to suggest that it would be the dressing room that changed, rather than the manager if they have indeed lost any faith in Poch. It has been said that we are moving into the next generation of Poch’s spurs. It is natural for certain players (thinking Eriksen, perhaps Jan (?!), Aurier) to feel they have lost the spark for the club that was there a couple of years ago. Hence the acquisitions (and those planned for the future - if I remember correctly there was itk to say all positions won’t be covered in one window, but a number of windows).

My reasoning is primarily based on the spine of the team; Lloris, Winks, Sissoko, Sanchez and Kane, and maybe I’m naive but I can’t believe them losing trust in the manager. Then there are characters like Son who bleeds for spurs, KWP who is a spurs fan and Rose who’s long standing relationship with the manager is well documented. Tie that in with new players Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sess being motivated by their new challenge alone and it seems the issue is a few, not many, that will be shifted if they don’t buy into the managers philosophy.

Perhaps I’m wrong, time will tell.

COYS!

 

[dagraham]

True but its also in their history to win big. We turned up (both club and fans) in Madrid like it was a day out.

Agreed. This is the biggest single thing that needs to change at the club imo. Up until now “punching above our weight” has become the mantra of THFC. And whilst it may be technically correct I don’t believe we will start winning things unless we as a club ( board, manager, players and fans alike) expect to do so and see not doing that as a failure.