The beginning of the end...

[Bubble44]

Ali Z said:


I would not say he has lost the dressing room, I would say it is not a happy camp as I alluded to in the summer Transfer thread, unsettled players causing issues, it is an uneasy situation, the deadline can not come quick enough, not that will necessarily resolve all the issues, we also have players who will need to be replaced, when they g, whose fault it all is is anybody's guess, i guess a mixture of agents, players, levy and Poch but I don't know,.

 

[TheChosenOne]

@fishhhandaricecake said:
Son gave away a penalty early on to moses it didn’t work.

Son dived in and Moses dived. Moses did the same in the final v Arsenal and was sent off

As this is a forum you are indeed entitled to disagree with anything you like.

Just as I disagree with your disagree. It might suit your narrative but in truth that dive by Moses turned
the entire game on its head and might well have changed the history of this club. Forever.

https://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/tha...lasts-victor-moses/1q4bncnlzk6091uph9mg09h102

 

[ValenciaYid]

Ali Z said:


I would not say he has lost the dressing room, I would say it is not a happy camp as I alluded to in the summer Transfer thread, unsettled players causing issues, it is an uneasy situation, the deadline can not come quick enough, not that will necessarily resolve all the issues, we also have players who will need to be replaced, when they g, whose fault it all is is anybody's guess, i guess a mixture of agents, players, levy and Poch but I don't know,.

The issue i have with blaming this new TW window is that every PL club has the same problem or certain clubs not just us... and when youre getting paid millions a year you should really not have excuses, you should have solutions and plans....

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Really struggling to see where I land with this situation, on one hand I absolutely love Poch and appreciate everything he has done for this team and club, but on the other hand if his heart is set on somewhere else then we might as well as cut ties and look for the next manager.

 

[Metalhead]

The issue i have with blaming this new TW window is that every PL club has the same problem or certain clubs not just us... and when youre getting paid millions a year you should really not have excuses, you should have solutions and plans....

I must say though that it is somewhat surprising that the Eriksen situation has been allowed to drag on until it has reached this point. Not that DL is to blame for the lack of attacking guile shown by the team but the issue with Eriksen should surely have been sorted one way or another before it reached this stage.

 

[Monkey boy]

Yes we certainly reaped what we sowed with Poch - four years CL; 1 CL final; several FA Cup SLs; 1 league Cup final.

What a ****. Can't wait to get rid.

Mark my words. We will reap what we sow. Be very fucking careful.

Or at least SING SOME FUCKING SONGS

Not that I’m not agreeing with you that Poch has brought us on leaps and bounds but listing semi finals and finals that all ended in defeat is not exactly helping Poch cause right now. Unless he ends that losing streak soon he’s in danger of becoming known as the loser. My own point of view is that he knows this aswell and the pressure is getting to him.

 

[Metalhead]

Really struggling to see where I land with this situation, on one hand I absolutely love Poch and appreciate everything he has done for this team and club, but on the other hand if his heart is set on somewhere else then we might as well as cut ties and look for the next manager.

But we don't know that he does have his heart set on elsewhere.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I must say though that it is somewhat surprising that the Eriksen situation has been allowed to drag on until it has reached this point. Not that DL is to blame for the lack of attacking guile shown by the team but the issue with Eriksen should surely have been sorted one way or another before it reached this stage.

Can't force a player to sign a new contract and you can't force a player out of a club on a transfer if the team that blew smoke up his arse in the first place then don't have any intention of signing him. He holds all the cards, he has fucked us over to benefit himself and his agent.

 

[ValenciaYid]

I must say though that it is somewhat surprising that the Eriksen situation has been allowed to drag on until it has reached this point. Not that DL is to blame for the lack of attacking guile shown by the team but the issue with Eriksen should surely have been sorted one way or another before it reached this stage.

Regardless, are we back to being a one man team? Are we not capable of dismantling Newcastle with or without CE?

I dont get why CE’s situation is our go to excuse...

 

[Mr Pink]

They're all professionals getting paid huge sums of money.

There should be no excuses for not putting in maximum effort, absolutely none.

Tiring hearing the same excuses getting wheeled out, every Club has its issues to contend with.

It's a bad culture to generate, an excuse mentality.

 

[Metalhead]

Regardless, are we back to being a one man team? Are we not capable of dismantling Newcastle with or without CE?

I dont get why CE’s situation is our go to excuse...

It's not an excuse. Poch has not got it right on the pitch and really needs to be focusing on improving performances and winning games without Eriksen. I'm just expressing surprise that it has got to this stage. I hope that DL is not holding out for a ridiculous fee when the guy is going to be a free agent next summer. Better to have him gone if he is not going to be part of the team's plans going forward.

 

[teok]

So the transfer window shuts next monday right?

 

[ValenciaYid]

It's not an excuse. Poch has not got it right on the pitch and really needs to be focusing on improving performances and winning games without Eriksen. I'm just expressing surprise that it has got to this stage. I hope that DL is not holding out for a ridiculous fee when the guy is going to be a free agent next summer. Better to have him gone if he is not going to be part of the team's plans going forward.

Well personally i see excuses...a bad workman....

 

[Metalhead]

Can't force a player to sign a new contract and you can't force a player out of a club on a transfer if the team that blew smoke up his arse in the first place then don't have any intention of signing him. He holds all the cards, he has fucked us over to benefit himself and his agent.

Yeah it does seem that way. Whether the plan all along was to run down the contract or whether he did believe that Madrid would come running, who knows.

 

[Metalhead]

Well personally i see excuses...a bad workman....

Well, like I've said, if Levy has any doubts over Poch then he'll be out the door - Levy has never fcked about when he has lost faith in a manager. Given the amount of money that he had invested though, I have my doubts that he is ready to jettison Poch.

 

[LeParisien]

Nobody is trying to push Poch out, I hope. The question is: Does he want to be here? Does he still believe in the Spurs project?

Is it though ? What has led you to believe he doesn’t want to be here ?

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

So for all the players we have and dont have we should expect to lose to Newcastle....

It wasn’t the loss that hurt so much it was the manner of the defeat. From the players, the poor singing, the manager...did he come to the pitch side to motivate the players...did he try to lift the crowd...did he change the shape and players. The whole ground was turgid.

 

[razzmaster]

The main issues for me are that Poch has moved away from what made us so good while at the same time not addressing the key issues.

When we were at our best, we pressed hard and we pushed our full backs high up but we were also solid defensively and could overpower teams in the middle of the park.

Where we have always struggled is against teams who park the bus and Poch has not been able to solve this issue.

With our current squad, we should be able to evolve as we still have power, pace and creativity but Poch doesn't seem to have found the right balance.

Personally I think a 433 formation suits us best, with Dier, Skipp or Sissoko anchoring the midfield. Eriksen, Ndombele, Winks and Lo Celso can then play more advanced and our full backs could push on with a bit of added security.

Our centre backs would also have some protection which is currently lacking with a double pivot and no recognised dm.

In attack, Harry is always best on his own, so with Dele coming in from the left and Moura or Son keeping the width on the right he could hopefully start to find some space again as our lack of movement and width is restricting him at the moment.

Finally, we need options on the bench and regardless of our starting xi I would have Troy Parrott in our 18 man squad every single game.

Something isn't quite right at Spurs but I honestly don't think we are too far off, just need Poch to recognise the problems and be a bit more flexible in his thinking.

 

[Japhet]

I must say though that it is somewhat surprising that the Eriksen situation has been allowed to drag on until it has reached this point. Not that DL is to blame for the lack of attacking guile shown by the team but the issue with Eriksen should surely have been sorted one way or another before it reached this stage.

Eriksen is the only one who could have brought the situation to a close by signing a new deal with us. We can't force him out and RM don't seem interested (in paying a fee anyway). Poch can hardly be too pissed at CE though since he's played the same game to a lesser extent himself.

 

[Metalhead]

Eriksen is the only one who could have brought the situation to a close by signing a new deal with us. We can't force him out and RM don't seem interested (in paying a fee anyway). Poch can hardly be too pissed at CE though since he's played the same game to a lesser extent himself.

No, I don't think that he's pissed off with Eriksen, I think that he's dithering. Really, he either needs to decide that he's going to plan for life without Eriksen, take the hit and not play him or have him start games.