The Annual Summer "It's been a poor transfer window" Discussion thread - Apocalypse Now - 30th August 2024

[E17yid]

True. But many Arsenal fans were strongly against Arteta after two seasons in charge.

It’s the board that stuck with him.

It’s the same here. I see little calls for Ange to go but definitely some questioning of him. But it’s the board that need to see this through, not us.

Didn’t we pip them to 4th at the end of his 3rd season? They pretty much all wanted him gone then but the board stuck with him and the next year they challenged for the title.

 

[ripley]

True. But many Arsenal fans were strongly against Arteta after two seasons in charge.

It’s the board that stuck with him.

It’s the same here. I see little calls for Ange to go but definitely some questioning of him. But it’s the board that need to see this through, not us.

To me...this should be Scott Munn's number one responsibility...ensuring that this "project" gets carried out...in full. We'll see if he has the salt to do it.

 

[Albertbarich]

If I see or hear "do spurs fans have the stomach for a painful rebuild" one more time I'll lose it.

I think this is about the tenth rebuild I've witnessed. Second since Poch left. The fans will always have the stomach, we'll always buy the season ticket again. Do this board have the stomach for it?

Bingo

Like we have any say in it either way. Debating on message boards is fun but it has zero impact on what the club do.

I’ve noticed that some people blame the club whilst others find it cathartic to blame other fans. Look the stadium is sold out, the merch flies off the shelf, even when we arguably should be protesting we don’t or do it in tiny numbers whilst others mock them.

I utterly reject any notion that our lack of success is anything to do with the fans, if anything we’re far too easy going.

 

[Styopa]

True. But many Arsenal fans were strongly against Arteta after two seasons in charge.

It’s the board that stuck with him.

It’s the same here. I see little calls for Ange to go but definitely some questioning of him. But it’s the board that need to see this through, not us.

Yes, without a doubt, it’s up to the board to see this through.

For one thing, there’s no significant unrest concerning Ange, and I’d be surprised if that changed any time soon. Fans aren’t boycotting matches, chanting for Ange to be sacked, or petitioning Levy. Even in the highly unlikely scenario that fans were doing these things (which they aren’t), it would still be the board’s decision whether to make a change or not.

The club have prioritised buying highly rated young players who may or may not be ready to make a major impact on the first team this season. So it's up to the club to say- this is the strategy we are pursuing, and this is the return we want on these investments, and these are the timescales we expect you to deliver in. Most of the fans are on board with this new youth policy anyway.

 

[Styopa]

I’ve noticed that some people blame the club whilst others find it cathartic to blame other fans.

This is absolutely true! Some fans "enjoy" complaining about the club, while others prefer to criticise fellow fans who are complaining. But I think most fanbases are quite similar.

I don't believe Arsenal's success is due to having better or more patient fans than us. You can’t attribute Manchester City’s rise to their fanbase. Their fans showed great loyalty during their time in the lower leagues, but let’s be real—patience alone wouldn’t have brought them their huge success. What about Chelsea and their fans? Or Real Madrid? They hardly strike me as the most patient of fanbases.

The common factor is the club's owners—their financial investment, managerial appointments, and other key decisions. I believe the influence fans have on these decisions is relatively minimal. These are global brands with millions of followers, they can afford to ignore a few thousand supporters venting on Spurs message boards or Twitter.

 

[Albertbarich]

This is absolutely true! Some fans "enjoy" complaining about the club, while others prefer to criticise fellow fans who are complaining. But I think most fanbases are quite similar.

I don't believe Arsenal's success is due to having better or more patient fans than us. You can’t attribute Manchester City’s rise to their fanbase. Their fans showed great loyalty during their time in the lower leagues, but let’s be real—patience alone wouldn’t have brought them their huge success. What about Chelsea and their fans? Or Real Madrid? They hardly strike me as the most patient of fanbases.

The common factor is the club's owners—their financial investment, managerial appointments, and other key decisions. I believe the influence fans have on these decisions is relatively minimal. These are global brands with millions of followers, they can afford to ignore a few thousand supporters venting on Spurs message boards or Twitter.

If having rubbish fans meant clubs won’t succeed arsenal would have been relegated ten times over with AFTV.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

But do you look at arsenal and Liverpool and what they built and think we need to emulate that? Because that required huge rebuilds.

Can you imagine arteta lasting as long at spurs and on SC with how things went there? You do need to give a manager time and I always thought it would be 3 years before we are in the right position.

We are 2 starting 11 players away imo, a top 6, a top winger and a LB cover from challenging. If we can get that going into next season I back us.

I think a wc 6 is so so key to the way we play and arsenal and city, they both have them in rice and rodri they both look so much weaker without them and trust me arsenal will miss rice against us.

What are the fans going to do. Even when it was turning bad for Poch the fans int he stadium where mostly ok if just a bit down on results. It was Levy who sacked him for his pet project Jose.

Its the board that has never had the stomach for a rebuild previously, they just sack the manager.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

This is absolutely true! Some fans "enjoy" complaining about the club, while others prefer to criticise fellow fans who are complaining. But I think most fanbases are quite similar.

I don't believe Arsenal's success is due to having better or more patient fans than us. You can’t attribute Manchester City’s rise to their fanbase. Their fans showed great loyalty during their time in the lower leagues, but let’s be real—patience alone wouldn’t have brought them their huge success. What about Chelsea and their fans? Or Real Madrid? They hardly strike me as the most patient of fanbases.

The common factor is the club's owners—their financial investment, managerial appointments, and other key decisions. I believe the influence fans have on these decisions is relatively minimal. These are global brands with millions of followers, they can afford to ignore a few thousand supporters venting on Spurs message boards or Twitter.

Surely most people have friends who are Arsenal fans. I couldn’t imagine a more reactionary fanbase then them, even when Arteta out was really strong the club simply ignored it and pressed ahead with the rebuild backing Arteta.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

If having rubbish fans meant clubs won’t succeed arsenal would have been relegated ten times over with AFTV.

The whole fans debate is delusional. I have watched multiple Man City CL games with what seems like half empty stadiums, hasn’t really affected their growth. I don’t see Sunderland who have mental good fans winning much. It’s bizarre.

 

[Stoof]

If I see or hear "do spurs fans have the stomach for a painful rebuild" one more time I'll lose it.

I think this is about the tenth rebuild I've witnessed. Second since Poch left. The fans will always have the stomach, we'll always buy the season ticket again. Do this board have the stomach for it?

Why will you lose it? Is that because you don’t have the stomach for it?

Whether you like it or not, this is what the club had needed and hasn't had since the likes of when Santini/Jol and Poch joined.

And each of those two “rebuilds” pushed us on to where we are now.

 

[Stoof]

even when we arguably should be protesting we don’t or do it in tiny numbers whilst others mock them.

I mean do you think the people protesting in tiny numbers is actually just a reflection of the proportion of fans who feel that way? I do.

 

[Albertbarich]

I mean do you think the people protesting in tiny numbers is actually just a reflection of the proportion of fans who feel that way? I do.

I think it’s a reflection that most people want spurs to be an escape and commit as much money and time into it as they want. Protesting and campaigning is a time consuming often thankless task.
Flav talks about it sometimes , how they used to organise stuff for ticket prices etc and in the end he realised that people don’t care enough to do it and they just want to have football as an escape.

I don’t know the percentage of pro and anti Enic on this forum for example but I bet 99% of us haven’t and probably wouldn’t go to a protest.

One more thing and I know I’m rambling. Take the trusts protest about ticket prices last season. I’m sure 99% of fans agreed but maybe 500 turned up.

Seems weird but we just don’t have that sort of fanbase

 

[jay2040]

Bingo

Like we have any say in it either way. Debating on message boards is fun but it has zero impact on what the club do.

I’ve noticed that some people blame the club whilst others find it cathartic to blame other fans. Look the stadium is sold out, the merch flies off the shelf, even when we arguably should be protesting we don’t or do it in tiny numbers whilst others mock them.

I utterly reject any notion that our lack of success is anything to do with the fans, if anything we’re far too easy going.

Great points. Many are used to mediocrity and happy to accept the constant lack of success.

 

[Stoof]

I think it’s a reflection that most people want spurs to be an escape and commit as much money and time into it as they want. Protesting and campaigning is a time consuming often thankless task.
Flav talks about it sometimes , how they used to organise stuff for ticket prices etc and in the end he realised that people don’t care enough to do it and they just want to have football as an escape.

Really enjoy listening to Flav and all his podcasts (his new one with the chap from HLTCO is really good general footy fodder). But really how many actual people are there who listen to podcasts vs. who support Spurs.

There's a real echo chamber effect here.

 

[DiVaio]

They will spend big next summer on proven players if no kids break through, 100%. And that’s the difference.

Last summer they were saying this about current transfer window. And yeah, most likely they will spend big next summer but it will be to replace Salah/Van Dijk/Trent who all have contract until 2025.

 

[Albertbarich]

Really enjoy listening to Flav and all his podcasts (his new one with the chap from HLTCO is really good general footy fodder). But really how many actual people are there who listen to podcasts vs. who support Spurs.

There's a real echo chamber effect here.

That’s not the point though. I agree it’s an echo chamber but it’s an echo chamber of people that use more free time than the average person thinking about it and still ain’t nobody protesting.

You can guess what the general population thinks I guess and of course we all want to think they’re like minded people . But iid guess most just like on here have mixed views but beyond a conversation they’re not arsed about taking it any further

 

[Mr Pink]

Do you mean the same Liverpool that couldn't sign Zubimendi(or other top class 6) to replace Fabinho in the last two years and only signed Chiesa because they couldn't buy Gordon who was their top target?

Not sure about that. On Gordon anyway, I think Slot wanted to evaluate his squad.

The point is, they have demonstrated on many occasions they're prepared to buy proven quality and go all out to do so.

And anyway, lets have it right...they dont need a Gordon type, or that quality of player for their attack, as desperately as we do ffs.

Their attack looked breathtaking yesterday.

Maybe Slot being satisfied with his attacking options put the brakes on Gordon - theyve huge depth there.

 

[he is you know!]

Not sure about that. On Gordon anyway, I think Slot wanted to evaluate his squad.

The point is, they have demonstrated on many occasions they're prepared to buy proven quality and go all out to do so.

And anyway, lets have it right...they dont need a Gordon type, or that quality of player for their attack, as desperately as we do ffs.

Their attack looked breathtaking yesterday.

Maybe Slot being satisfied with his attacking options put the brakes on Gordon - theyve huge depth there.

Gordon was seen as a Diaz replacement as the talk was he wanted out/go to Spain.

 

[Scott Spur]

We could have done more this window that would have made us better…… that’s it, that’s the truth of it

(Yes, you could say that about a lot of windows, but this one feels like we could have really pushed on).

 

[yido_number1]

We could have done more this window that would have made us better…… that’s it, that’s the truth of it

(Yes, you could say that about a lot of windows, but this one feels like we could have really pushed on).

Depending on Bergval I think we will regret not having competition for Maddison and back up for Udogie.

Annoyingly we identified the needs and if we got the players we wanted we'd have been a force. I think you need to temper expectations for this season and stick with it.