The Annual Summer "It's been a poor transfer window" Discussion thread - Apocalypse Now - 30th August 2024

[KILLA_SIN]

Squads a bit small, quality looks better

Think we are 2 short

 

[lukadownthelane]

With all due respect mate, that's absolute drivel.

As another poster pointed out - for the absolute premium, ready now players (not the handful of truly world class players, but the level just below to help us challenge for titles) we are near the bottom of the pile. Chelsea, Arsenal, United, City, LIverpool and another 8 European clubs are all ahead of us. You think it’s surprising that Sancho, Neto, Sterling, Chiesa have chosen clubs on that list? I don't.

A large part of that is because we don’t pay the wages that these players are after though.

 

[Tezza1978]

The one thing I will say, if two 18 year olds and one 19 year old have the impact we will need them to have in order for us to get to where we want to be this season then we will have unearthed (relatively speaking) 3 world class talents and Lange, the data team and the overall scouting set up are geniuses.

Whilst Bergvall, Gray and Odebert (plus Yang although obviously he joins later) all look very good the impact we will need them to have if we want this season to be a success is significant for players so young. It’s a lot of pressure to put on their shoulders.

On the one hard this makes me incredibly nervous but on the other it also makes me very excited that we are willing to put so much faith in players so young.

Not that Barcelona should ever be used as an example of anything positive these days and the reason they started playing the likes of Yamal, Pedri, Gavi and Cubarsí etc is more to do with gross financial mismanagement dating back years rather then some utopian vision of rebuilding the perfect Barcelona with La Masia at its core. There still remains an undeniable fact that putting faith in such talented individuals, regardless of age, has born results. Truly Incredible results.

With that in mind, even if there were financial reasonings of our own at play, there is most certainly a lot to be excited about with the business we have done.

Was it enough? probably not, I guess we we are about to find out soon enough, it obviously wasn’t great but anyone expecting us to do “great” in a window is just setting themselves up for a fall. As per usual we are short and I’m not sure our business put us as favourites for top four but there’s no denying we have streamlined our team and placed ourselves in a strong position for future windows. The long term building blocks are most certainly there.

So much of the success of this window will come down to how well Ange integrates and utilises our youth signings. This is something we have very little experience of as last season he seemed very reluctant to turn towards our youngsters. In a first season tho it’s understandable if not a little exasperating at times. This season however he will have no choice but to.

Overall am I frustrated with the window? Very much so but at this stage I’m just going to focus on the positives. If I dwell too much on the “not nearly good enough” rhetoric I’ll just be wasting my energy as it would be very easy to get caught up in that train of thought as ultimately there is some weight to the argument.

The only real worry I have in the short term is how quickly the mood around the club might shift if we pick up a few poor results alongside a few lacklustre displays. Whilst putting faith in youth players is all well and good, not supplementing them with more seasoned professionals is a ballsy call especially when fans are already feeling a little discontent about a number of different issues, ticket prices being one of many constants.

As “frustrating” as it might be I think for now we have to just embrace the concept of a new long term “project” that is now firmly underway. This project may even out last the current manager but we are being completely rebuilt from the ground up with a new style of football and ethos at our core and that for me is a key vision to get behind.

Whilst we could be getting to our destination a little quicker, the path we have set out for ourselves is unquestionably the right one.

I say all that but if we get thrashed on Sunday no doubt I will be F’ing and blinding with the best of them but I will try to remind myself after the anger subsides that we are still in the early phases of a monumental rebuild and as they say, Rome wasn’t built in a day.

Superb post. I've learnt a lot from your posts on this site Ghost, few on here have even 20% of your knowledge on players and potential of new signings/potential of players we are interested in... but my view on the window could be summed up by your sentence " the path we have set out for ourselves is unquestionably the right one."

Genuinely excited to see how we progress this season.

 

[shelfstandspur]

The one thing I will say, if two 18 year olds and one 19 year old have the impact we will need them to have in order for us to get to where we want to be this season then we will have unearthed (relatively speaking) 3 world class talents and Lange, the data team and the overall scouting set up are geniuses.

Whilst Bergvall, Gray and Odebert (plus Yang although obviously he joins later) all look very good the impact we will need them to have if we want this season to be a success is significant for players so young. It’s a lot of pressure to put on their shoulders.

On the one hard this makes me incredibly nervous but on the other it also makes me very excited that we are willing to put so much faith in players so young.

Not that Barcelona should ever be used as an example of anything positive these days and the reason they started playing the likes of Yamal, Pedri, Gavi and Cubarsí etc is more to do with gross financial mismanagement dating back years rather then some utopian vision of rebuilding the perfect Barcelona with La Masia at its core. There still remains an undeniable fact that putting faith in such talented individuals, regardless of age, has born results. Truly Incredible results.

With that in mind, even if there were financial reasonings of our own at play, there is most certainly a lot to be excited about with the business we have done.

Was it enough? probably not, I guess we we are about to find out soon enough, it obviously wasn’t great but anyone expecting us to do “great” in a window is just setting themselves up for a fall. As per usual we are short and I’m not sure our business put us as favourites for top four but there’s no denying we have streamlined our team and placed ourselves in a strong position for future windows. The long term building blocks are most certainly there.

So much of the success of this window will come down to how well Ange integrates and utilises our youth signings. This is something we have very little experience of as last season he seemed very reluctant to turn towards our youngsters. In a first season tho it’s understandable if not a little exasperating at times. This season however he will have no choice but to.

Overall am I frustrated with the window? Very much so but at this stage I’m just going to focus on the positives. If I dwell too much on the “not nearly good enough” rhetoric I’ll just be wasting my energy as it would be very easy to get caught up in that train of thought as ultimately there is some weight to the argument.

The only real worry I have in the short term is how quickly the mood around the club might shift if we pick up a few poor results alongside a few lacklustre displays. Whilst putting faith in youth players is all well and good, not supplementing them with more seasoned professionals is a ballsy call especially when fans are already feeling a little discontent about a number of different issues, ticket prices being one of many constants.

As “frustrating” as it might be I think for now we have to just embrace the concept of a new long term “project” that is now firmly underway. This project may even out last the current manager but we are being completely rebuilt from the ground up with a new style of football and ethos at our core and that for me is a key vision to get behind.

Whilst we could be getting to our destination a little quicker, the path we have set out for ourselves is unquestionably the right one.

I say all that but if we get thrashed on Sunday no doubt I will be F’ing and blinding with the best of them but I will try to remind myself after the anger subsides that we are still in the early phases of a monumental rebuild and as they say, Rome wasn’t built in a day.

Well said!
We have the choice of being the half empty or half full Spurs fan right now.
We can be the half empty fan focussing on who we could have bought or who we are missing.
Or we can be the half full fan.
Look at the talented players we have bought in recent years, the talents we have bought this summer and dream of what can be.
After all, we are Spurs fans..... Why would we be if we didn't dream of greatness?! (At least for the first 10 games of a new season!)

 

[muel]

What’s done is done. Time to get behind the squad.

January will be here soon enough.

Up the Spurs!

 

[Twizzle]

Turnover vs wages must be ridiculously healthy after this window. Take a bow Dan. Top of the table.

Dan ? Shouldn't Munn be responsible for this now ?

I know Levy is still behind the scenes but I thought this was why Levy put Munn in that position.

 

[CookieYiddo]

6.5/10. Very good future prospects but not enough for the here and now

 

[snakehipsspurs]

Watching Lo Celso leave reminds me just how excited we were in 2019 when we signed him, Ndombele and Sess, and how far off the mark many of our predictions of their impact were. Sometimes buying the 'ready made' player isn't all it's cracked up to be, or the right choice for the team. You can't predict much with transfers, but one thing is for sure, if you buy young with potential, the risk of being hamstrung by them is so much lower, and the chance they skyrocket in value is higher.

I love that we're becoming a place for young talent to grow, it's an exciting and captivating strategy to get behind as a fan. And I have a great feeling we'll look back on this window in 3 years delighted with what we did.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Dan ? Shouldn't Munn be responsible for this now ?

I know Levy is still behind the scenes but I thought this was why Levy put Munn in that position.

You know with this fanbase, any decision they don’t like is down to Levy, anything they do like, is in spite of him.

 

[Vulcan10]

Whilst I understand the theory that we have put ourselves in a good position for future windows, as players loose form, discipline issues appear etc I just don't have the confidence that next window it won't be more of the same i.e we need to sell (just as examples) Biss, Maddison, Richy before we can buy.
Excited by the prospects but with the cost of tickets and the project sold with the stadium, as always feel a little more could have been done.

 

[Retoanderik88]

Also, we've tried buying for now. It's not worked. We can't afford the never of player bought for now that works, or can't attract them. What has worked is promoting youth (kane, medley being 2 of the bright spots) or buying young/pre boom and getting value (Son, Bale, Modeic etc). So why not go young and invest and train and hope? Jesus does the excitement of a young core not exist anymore because of xG xA xFA? Has stats burnt our ability to believe in youth and potential?

8/10 window for me. Needed more u18 signings of absolute wunderkinder.

 

[Retoanderik88]

Watching Lo Celso leave reminds me just how excited we were in 2019 when we signed him, Ndombele and Sess, and how far off the mark many of our predictions of their impact were. Sometimes buying the 'ready made' player isn't all it's cracked up to be, or the right choice for the team. You can't predict much with transfers, but one thing is for sure, if you buy young with potential, the risk of being hamstrung by them is so much lower, and the chance they skyrocket in value is higher.

I love that we're becoming a place for young talent to grow, it's an exciting and captivating strategy to get behind as a fan. And I have a great feeling we'll look back on this window in 3 years delighted with what we did.

Yes! And say it doesn't work, we sit 5th again and next season we sneak 4th. Then some of them want to go, maybe real comes knocking in 3 or 4 years for bergval. We sell, we thank him for the memories and then the next 10 Europe's top boys see we are the route for success and sign up. And at some point it'll be finishing 3rd. Then 2nd. Thus is sustainable growth, this is building a dynasty.

Someone gets it!

 

[Trent Crimm]

Yes! And say it doesn't work, we sit 5th again and next season we sneak 4th. Then some of them want to go, maybe real comes knocking in 3 or 4 years for bergval. We sell, we thank him for the memories and then the next 10 Europe's top boys see we are the route for success and sign up. And at some point it'll be finishing 3rd. Then 2nd. Thus is sustainable growth, this is building a dynasty.

Someone gets it!

We are a player trading co. Embrace it and live life.

 

[only1waddle]

Outgoings 9/10
Incomings on face value 6.5/10

Onboard with the new strategy as I didn't think we'd be in the race for established players.

But

A club this wealthy shouldn't put itself in a position where it could repeat the mistake it made in the previous season, lack of a specialist LB rotation is worrying if we want to try and win a shiny thing, and compete on all fronts.

 

[Retoanderik88]

We are a player trading co. Embrace it and live life.

No, no no. Not A player trading Co. THE player trading Co....

 

[qqq1]

I’ll revisit this thread after we’ve played half a season.

The best option. The Bale window and Lo Celso/Ndombele window have taught me that judging the window as soon as it closes is a bad idea.

 

[N'Obody]

I'm actually quite happy with our incomings. I think Ange is the perfect candidate to bring out the best in the youngsters and really help them thrive. They are at that age to be moulded into Anges way of playing. They will be the perfect players for his system, as well as for future managers with a similar playing style.

I actually can't wait to see the team evolve this season. I'm not going to be sitting here expecting too much. I want to see this team grow from strength to strength and play some entertaining football. I want to be entertained and the young ones are the best for this type of game. They play with no fear, they will thrive and will learn alot under the pressure.

Everyone is worried about putting alot of pressure on the youngsters, but I feel its this pressure that will be the making of all of them. Chuck them in the deep end and let them adapt and become truly something special.

 

[jolsnogross]

A lot hinges on Solanke. It annoys me that we only have two strikers and that's the role you sub on most often to change games.

Richarlison was dropped from Brazils squad, came back early, and is injured again (out for the newcastle tie). Solanke has a knock, shit happens and he'll be back. It's a key role and those two need to get their shit together.

That 65M marquee signing has a lot riding on it. We need him to consistently hit the net or we won't improve. And I understand folks who say it's far too underwhelming, but let's give him a few months to show what he can do.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Richarlison was dropped from Brazils squad,

Was he dropped or injured? I thought he missed COPA due to his injury.

 

[jolsnogross]

Was he dropped or injured? I thought he missed COPA due to his injury.

Not sure. I'd read an article that he was disappointed to be overlooked and would work hard to get back in. Around the time of dismissing a move to Arabia for similar reasons.