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BPR_U16

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And Lankshear? I expect he will be off to at least a league 1 club shortly.

Just sounds like a clutching at straws attempt at justification imo.

Look, there may be numerous reasons as to why he didn't use some of the younger players, and I expect those reasons probably have merit. As I have said had he not played the very poor Werner and Johnson for as long as he did I probably wouldn't be questioning it tbh, but he did, and there is no way the likes of Lankshear could have been any worse.
I could see no point in the selection of Werner as main striker. If it wasn't Solanke the only logical alternative was Lankshear.as Werner does not fit the profile of an Ange 9. We don't know if there were any concerns in the background though.

The rest of the selection was sound and stronger than I anticipated.

The fact that the midfield and front three were ineffective, showed no desire, no inspiration or determination was a major concern (I could excuse Moore as first game back, but needs to be accountable too).

It was almost as if they expected it to turn but without actually doing anything to make it happen.

To me Ange always knew he could throw on the big guys to tidy up the mess but i believe what he was trying to do was make those on the pitch more responsible and see who would stand up and make the difference.

The answer was unfortunately no-one - he had to make the changes he didn't want to do because no-one was prepared to come out of their comfort zone.

Also believe if the game had been 90 minutes and replay then those big changes would have been around the hour mark - extra time gave starting XI longer to put things right.

I don't believe it was a step back for Ange, but it was for the players who could not affect the game - limitations exposed again.
 

eddiebailey

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I would give Ange more credit for knowing when players are ready if he hadn’t had his job saved by being forced to play Spence.
 

taidgh

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I would give Ange more credit for knowing when players are ready if he hadn’t had his job saved by being forced to play Spence.
Or maybe Spence changed his attitude towards his application in training. Whatever the case, it's only good for us. I'm delighted he's doing well - he adds so much to our side when he plays.
 

eddiebailey

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Or maybe Spence changed his attitude towards his application in training. Whatever the case, it's only good for us. I'm delighted he's doing well - he adds so much to our side when he plays.
Third or fourth name on the teamsheet for me now.
 

Shanks

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None of those players except Moore got any minutes

But if you go by what @BC11 is saying, unless you're an A++ talent it doesn't feel like you're going to get meaningful minutes.

By that very thought process Harry Kane wouldn't have made it here, we would have sold him after his poor loan at Leicester

If you had a kid would you send them to the Tottenham academy?

Shit @Shanks do you think your son would have done as well at the Tottenham academy?
Honestly mate, I think my son would be playing foe England if he was as spurs academy (u18/u19).

There are so many factors that come I to play, it's not always about just ability though, trix is the one who knows about this stuff.
 

s_purs

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None of those players except Moore got any minutes

But if you go by what @BC11 is saying, unless you're an A++ talent it doesn't feel like you're going to get meaningful minutes.

By that very thought process Harry Kane wouldn't have made it here, we would have sold him after his poor loan at Leicester

If you had a kid would you send them to the Tottenham academy?

Shit @Shanks do you think your son would have done as well at the Tottenham academy?
None of the players got any minutes? Kinksy, drag, gray, Berg, Moore, sarr. They aren't youth team but they are all 22 or under which means throwing in another couple of young players might be hard as there isn't the experience there to guide them
 

dovahkiin

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i dont know if this is itk from eduardosmartez on ftl, or if its from media
Ben Davies may hold the key to a deal for Harry Gray (Archie’s brother) they want a cut price deal for Ben and we want to sign Harry for the future
 

0-Tibsy-0

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i dont know if this is itk from eduardosmartez on ftl, or if its from media
Ben Davies may hold the key to a deal for Harry Gray (Archie’s brother) they want a cut price deal for Ben and we want to sign Harry for the future

Leeds were apparently interested in Ben Davies last summer and they have been linked a couple of days ago again.
 

sidford

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Leeds were apparently interested in Ben Davies last summer and they have been linked a couple of days ago again.
That seems like an expensive way of signing young Gray. We have option to extend Davies contract by 1 year. He's a very good pro and can cover 2 positions we are light in. If Leeds don't come up we could throw cash at Gray and keep Davies.
 

loaderspurs

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In former academy players news, Keanan Bennetts has joined Austrian side Austria Klagenfurt after six months of being without a club. Relevant in respect of the above conversation; a lot of people were unhappy when Bennetts left and thought he should have been given a chance at the club. At the end of the day the coaches seem to get most decisions right when letting go of a player, whereas we as fans tend to hype up a lot of them and think we are losing huge prospects (Reo Griffiths comes to mind).

Interestingly, Bennetts did say this in a recent interview: "“I had the feeling that I was not pushed as much at times. I would have hoped for more opportunities after my performances. Other players were more in focus.”

I don't doubt the coaches to focus on the development of certain individuals over others, those they see as having a higher ceiling. Not all players can be given first team opportunities/involvement after all.
 

Westmorlandspur

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That seems like an expensive way of signing young Gray. We have option to extend Davies contract by 1 year. He's a very good pro and can cover 2 positions we are light in. If Leeds don't come up we could throw cash at Gray and keep Davies.
No doubt there will be big competition for Gray. helps that we have Archie but I think it’s probably worth losing Ben to get Harry Gray.
 

ljinko888

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It's not a matter of giving players minutes, though. As I said, Klopp genuinely believed academy players contribute when needed .

Does anyone think Lankshear would've been worse than Werner today? Could Dorrington have been used to give Dragusin or Gray a rest?
These guys can be used to the benefit of the first team, not as charity minutes.

I agree with this.

It's also hard to deny there is some sort of contradiction between how we treat our youth players from young players signed from elsewhere.

Archie Gray is an 18 year old who has been trusted to play in the busiest period of the season out of position in arguably the hardest position in Ange's system. He demands so much from his CBs because of the high line. I think like most people Gray has done a really good job which will only help when he moves into midfield.

However if he was an 18 year old who was in the Spurs academy, he probably would not have seen any starts.

We trust him because Leeds trusted him. Leeds are one of the biggest clubs in the Championship which in turn is one of the most toughest leagues in the world. They didn't hold Gray back because he'd be roughened up. They didn't treat him like a fragile vase who can only be displayed with careful and long deliberation to get the position right the way we tend to do with our academy players.
 

Scot-Spur

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I agree with this.

It's also hard to deny there is some sort of contradiction between how we treat our youth players from young players signed from elsewhere.

Archie Gray is an 18 year old who has been trusted to play in the busiest period of the season out of position in arguably the hardest position in Ange's system. He demands so much from his CBs because of the high line. I think like most people Gray has done a really good job which will only help when he moves into midfield.

However if he was an 18 year old who was in the Spurs academy, he probably would not have seen any starts.

We trust him because Leeds trusted him. Leeds are one of the biggest clubs in the Championship which in turn is one of the most toughest leagues in the world. They didn't hold Gray back because he'd be roughened up. They didn't treat him like a fragile vase who can only be displayed with careful and long deliberation to get the position right the way we tend to do with our academy players.
Or Gray is just at another level to all our youngsters?

Moore is seeing game time for us and he came through our youth system.

players develop at different rates.
 

blodge99

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i dont know if this is itk from eduardosmartez on ftl, or if its from media
Ben Davies may hold the key to a deal for Harry Gray (Archie’s brother) they want a cut price deal for Ben and we want to sign Harry for the future
Interesting. Another potential addition to the Welsh boys at Leeds.
Darlow, Rodon, Ampadu and DJ all there and young Crew in the reserves. Would be a good move for Ben at this point of his career, if he wanted to go.
 

mark87

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i dont know if this is itk from eduardosmartez on ftl, or if its from media
Ben Davies may hold the key to a deal for Harry Gray (Archie’s brother) they want a cut price deal for Ben and we want to sign Harry for the future

If they are talking about a cut-price deal then it would happen this month as he's out of contract this summer. We'd need to get someone else in for CB if Ben was to leave as we're desperately thin in defence as it is with injuries.
 
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