Spurs Youth - 2019/20

[Spurzinho]

The latest batch of training pics has one of Rodel Richards which sort of puts to bed the rumours that he was being let go. There's some good ones of the latest academy intake, especially a couple of the new lad from Wigan who seems to have grown a couple of inches since I last saw him.

 

[Anuth]

 

[Blake Griffin]

and then there were none ?

at least we got a half-decent fee for kwp i guess, unlike edwards and onomah who we practically gave away. let's just hope we do better this time around with cirkin, skipp and parrott.

 

[Spurzinho]

To bungle one of them is a shame, to bungle two of them is extremely disappointing, to bungle all three of them is nothing short of a complete and utter f*ck-up. We all had our opinions at the time but we have some distance now and Poch carries the can. We shouldn't forget CCV either, he was another outstanding young talent before Poch got his hands on him.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

scenes when parrott, skipp and cirkin succeed under mourinho who is is supposed to be "killer of youth system" while we f**ked up onomah, edwards, kwp under poch who is supposed to be famous for developing youth players

 

[Blake Griffin]

To bungle one of them is a shame, to bungle two of them is extremely disappointing, to bungle all three of them is nothing short of a complete and utter f*ck-up. We all had our opinions at the time but we have some distance now and Poch carries the can. We shouldn't forget CCV either, he was another outstanding young talent before Poch got his hands on him.

yep and if you can't bring these players through to the first team then at the very least you have to get a decent return on them.

people can say they just weren't good enough but next season kwp will be playing premier league, onomah will be playing premier league and edwards will be playing top tier somewhere in europe so it's not like they've ended up at barnet. they've pretty much all only had one full season(if that) of consistent football and are still only 21-23 years old, to get such a small return on the three of them is criminal.

you'd think that levy would be all over bringing edwards back even if it's just to flip him on again for a profit but then that would require marcus to play ball and he probably isn't up for that.

scenes when parrott, skipp and cirkin succeed under mourinho who is is supposed to be "killer of youth system" while we f**ked up onomah, edwards, kwp under poch who is supposed to be famous for developing youth players

jose's pretty much already done as much for our youth as poch did in 5.5 years.

if poch had stayed then we'd have been lucky to get half as much for kwp. tanganga wouldn't have gotten any meaningful games and would have left on a free. parrott's loan is a great move, something poch would have blocked and jose has at least acknowledged that skipp might need to do the same, again poch would have called him an important first team player but then hardly ever play him. cirkin i'm hopeful for under jose but not getting ahead of myself. the thing with jose is that he plays it straight, he's not going to spin a line to some kid if he doesn't believe it.

also another issue with poch's failings was that it was having a knock on effect further down the academy. madueke would have looked at how it's gone for those players he knows and that will have played a big part in him leaving and whilst binks technically left under jose his move was already in place before then. we weren't losing players in the first 2-3 years of poch being here but since then it has become a regular occurrence to see them going elsewhere.

 

[al_pacino]

The fee for Onomah was decent wasn't it?

 

[Blake Griffin]

The fee for Onomah was decent wasn't it?

he was bundled in as part of the sessegnon deal. £25m + onomah was the reported fee so who knows what onomah's value is in that.

i wonder if fulham would take a straight swap now - sessegnon for onomah? i'm not sure tbh and that's not a dig at sessegnon, it's just that now he's facing the same problems that the others mentioned above went through.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I was lucky enough to watch the youth side with Onomah KWP and CCV for a whole season it was a very good side now only Winks remains which I guess is a decent return but I feel some of the talent was wasted. Onomah was very good never seemed to lose the ball but I felt he got shoe horned in the first team into various positions but really should have been the replacement for Dembele. KWP was outstanding at Chelsea they changed their tactics putting Solanke to stop him going forward, its a travesty that we Aurier playing with him out on loan. CCV I think he will make a premier league defender but the need for defenders to look elegant nowadays counts against him. Edwards was starting to make his way

The games they had with Fulham that season were high quality matches Patrick Roberts another wasted talent should never have gone to City paired with Dembele upfront there is a player we shouldn't have missed out on - I also saw Abrahams score a brilliant hatrick for Chelsea against us - Chilwell and Choudhury were others who you could pick out miss Saturday mornings over the training ground

 

[Phil_2.0]

Putting Binks on MP is laughable, as is Madueke. Onomah went for 8 figures and Edwards had as much of a problem with McDermott and himself as he did with Pochettino.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Putting Binks on MP is laughable, as is Madueke. Onomah went for 8 figures and Edwards had as much of a problem with McDermott and himself as he did with Pochettino.

8 figures? do you have a source for that?

poch is indirectly responsible for the likes of binks and madueke leaving the club, why would they choose to stay when they see players above them going nowhere fast in their respective careers? edwards wasn't the easiest to handle, i think we all know that but something that seems to get overlooked is that he was still just a teenager, lots of teenagers do dumb things but grow out of it. where are all of his so called attitude problems now? do you think poch did nothing wrong in the way he handled him? one minute publicly comparing him to messi and the next criticising him in his book? calling out an 18 year old kid, what a smart move that was. constantly taking far inferior players on pre-season tours just to make some kind of point. even if we just say edwards was a complete wrong'un it probably wouldn't have made much difference anyway, just look at kwp who was strung along for years. edwards could still be here now, not playing and it would be because he has the wrong attitude or he's not ready, instead though he moves and in his first season has shown what a talent he is and as a result will have bigger clubs lining up to take him this summer.

 

[spurs9]

8 figures? do you have a source for that?

poch is indirectly responsible for the likes of binks and madueke leaving the club, why would they choose to stay when they see players above them going nowhere fast in their respective careers? edwards wasn't the easiest to handle, i think we all know that but something that seems to get overlooked is that he was still just a teenager, lots of teenagers do dumb things but grow out of it. where are all of his so called attitude problems now? do you think poch did nothing wrong in the way he handled him? one minute publicly comparing him to messi and the next criticising him in his book? calling out an 18 year old kid, what a smart move that was. constantly taking far inferior players on pre-season tours just to make some kind of point. even if we just say edwards was a complete wrong'un it probably wouldn't have made much difference anyway, just look at kwp who was strung along for years. edwards could still be here now, not playing and it would be because he has the wrong attitude or he's not ready, instead though he moves and in his first season has shown what a talent he is and as a result will have bigger clubs lining up to take him this summer.

Bringing out a book about the team you are currently managing is one of the dumbest things I've seen and I'm surprised it didn't have a bigger negative impact on our team tbh. I actually don't think what Poch said about Edwards was that bad and I think he used it to try and give him the kick start that Poch perceived he needed, it just didn't work and probably had the opposite effect.

Thinking about it, the book only came out 3 months before the Norwich loan, so wouldn't surprise me if (with the mentality and attitude a 19 year old would have) the comments about behavioural problems influenced Edwards to act out there, so I was harsh in describing his behaviour as "inexcusable"and I take that back.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Still a little surprised Edwards and Onomah weren't loaned instead of sold. Contracts presumably? I mean Levy and co would have been well aware of their "value". Maybe there's some heavy clauses involved with both, and possibly KWP too? Ah well, football... stupid bloody game. ?

 

[Blake Griffin]

Still a little surprised Edwards and Onomah weren't loaned instead of sold. Contracts presumably? I mean Levy and co would have been well aware of their "value". Maybe there's some heavy clauses involved with both, and possibly KWP too? Ah well, football... stupid bloody game. ?

we have a 50% sell on for edwards but his release clause is only £13.5m which will certainly be met, at least we'll get something out of him(having allowed him to leave for nothing) but it's still far below his true market value and that's only after one season. as i said above even if it's just to sell him straight on again you'd think levy would be trying to bring him back seeing as we can effectively sign him for half the price, although it would require marcus to cooperate.

 

[brendanb50]

we have a 50% sell on for edwards but his release clause is only £13.5m which will certainly be met, at least we'll get something out of him(having allowed him to leave for nothing) but it's still far below his true market value and that's only after one season. as i said above even if it's just to sell him straight on again you'd think levy would be trying to bring him back seeing as we can effectively sign him for half the price, although it would require marcus to cooperate.

I can't see ME going for it either way. He's just started making some forward first-team progress and i can't see him wanting to come back without assurances.

I agree financially, we should be trying to do something and collective hearts would love to see him given another go but it's got to be extremely unlikely ME wanting to come back, almost under any circumstances.

 

[Locotoro]

we have a 50% sell on for edwards but his release clause is only £13.5m which will certainly be met, at least we'll get something out of him(having allowed him to leave for nothing) but it's still far below his true market value and that's only after one season. as i said above even if it's just to sell him straight on again you'd think levy would be trying to bring him back seeing as we can effectively sign him for half the price, although it would require marcus to cooperate.

A new contract would very easily increase that minimum release clause

 

[George94]

we have a 50% sell on for edwards but his release clause is only £13.5m which will certainly be met, at least we'll get something out of him(having allowed him to leave for nothing) but it's still far below his true market value and that's only after one season. as i said above even if it's just to sell him straight on again you'd think levy would be trying to bring him back seeing as we can effectively sign him for half the price, although it would require marcus to cooperate.

Edwards is a Spurs fan and despite any bad blood he might have had with Poch / people at the club - I reckon he‘d come back, especially if Mourinho had a word with him.

 

[IGSpur]

and then there were none ?

at least we got a half-decent fee for kwp i guess, unlike edwards and onomah who we practically gave away. let's just hope we do better this time around with cirkin, skipp and parrott.

So said init. 3 of the most talented players I've seen at our club. As others have said to not bring any through, is shocking they can't all have attitude problems or been lazy if two of them are playing PL football now and one is sought after by other clubs. We claimed to be experts at bringing through youngsters but when you compare the chances they got to their Chelsea counterparts, they played in the FAYC semi-final it really shines a light at how badly we managed them.

Whether they go on to be world class or flops doesn't matter to me, as nothing is guaranteed in football but the fact that we didn't give these talents proper chance is criminal. I'll never get my head around, having patience and understanding for a new 25m signing on 50kpw wages who's an international that generally goes on to be average, but expecting an 18yo with zero appearances to stake their claim within their first 5 matches of inconsistent minutes and positions.

At least the next 3 might be be seen as having less attitude problems so might get a chance.

To bungle one of them is a shame, to bungle two of them is extremely disappointing, to bungle all three of them is nothing short of a complete and utter f*ck-up. We all had our opinions at the time but we have some distance now and Poch carries the can. We shouldn't forget CCV either, he was another outstanding young talent before Poch got his hands on him.

Good point about CCV. A players who couldn't handle Akinfenwa at 18 and it was decided he was never going to make it. I'd argue Tanganga was a better CB so I'm at least pleased he's got his chance if CCV didn't

 

[IGSpur]

Edwards is a Spurs fan and despite any bad blood he might have had with Poch / people at the club - I reckon he‘d come back, especially if Mourinho had a word with him.

Edwards, Onomah and KWP are all Spurs fans. It's rare enough finding Spurs fans in the academies but when your 3 most talented players are all Spurs fan it definitely feels like an opportunity missed.

At least we got Winks and Kane who are Spurs fans.

If I'm Edwards there is no chance I'm coming back here. Mourinho wouldn't guarantee him football and he isn't a Mourinho type players anyway. Soon enough he'll criticise him for his height or not tracking back enough.

He's enjoying his football he should just stay where he is. Maddox has just joined them as well so he'll be playing with 2 other players he won the u19 Euros with next season. For England's sake hopefully he can perform again and get a move to a bigger club

 

[yankspurs]

Edwards, Onomah and KWP are all Spurs fans. It's rare enough finding Spurs fans in the academies but when your 3 most talented players are all Spurs fan it definitely feels like an opportunity missed.

At least we got Winks and Kane who are Spurs fans.

If I'm Edwards there is no chance I'm coming back here. Mourinho wouldn't guarantee him football and he isn't a Mourinho type players anyway. Soon enough he'll criticise him for his height or not tracking back enough.

He's enjoying his football he should just stay where he is. Maddox has just joined them as well so he'll be playing with 2 other players he won the u19 Euros with next season. For England's sake hopefully he can perform again and get a move to a bigger club

KWP should have been our starting RB last season but under Poch, his game time was start and stop. He should have been getting games 2 years ago and been our starter last year. Although, to say he isnt a Mourinho fullback would be an understatement so he would have been dropped right when Mourinho came in.