Spurs Youth - 2019/20

[Locotoro]

I said it at the time and I'll say it again. I suspect Poch's approach was likely determined by his experiences in Spain where clubs rarely loan out players to the same degree. They put the players in competitive matches with the B teams in the 3rd or 4th tier. Those players that are in between first and B team level get sold with buy back clauses.

I don't think he adapted his way of thinking of youth development here. For those of you saying we should use buy back clauses in order to bring players back, I'm afraid it wouldn't work. The problem with buy back clauses in the UK is that there is no team in England (not even Liverpool or United) that carries the type of institutional gravitas in a country that Real and and Barcelona have in Spain where even if a player is sold with a buy back they are still itching to make it with their club. In this country a player will happily move elsewhere and carry on their career. At worst you're reducing how much you're selling the player for a chance to sign him back. I'm much more in favour of sell on percentages as you're going to at least generate income when the player decides not to come back

 

[Matecheck]

Worth noting though that 3 goals and 2 assists have come since lock down, so fingers crossed he has turned a corner.

Maybe the comparative lack of pressure without fans in the stadium is great for these kids confidence? Gives the whole thing more of a training feeling. Would be great if some stathead were doing a statistcal analysis on young players´ performances post re-start

 

[C0YS]

In that case they should have been out on loan gaining experience - it's looking more and more like a number of our youth were completely stifled without being given the opportunity to grow and then give the club/Poch/whoever else options rather than spunk money away on punts that were not wanted either.

No wonder some of those who follow the youth setups and comment, get so frustrated with the long term picture of our youth team set ups.

I agree, to an extent. KWP probably would have benefited from an earlier loan, and the same can be mentioned to a lot of our players who didn't really make it.

Onomah, however, was loaned out at 20 after making 32 appearances in two seasons. Again, more of a role than some players we paid good money for. He was loaned out and then didn't show enough to earn a contract. The Championship atm is his level.

Edwards clearly wasn't mature enough to go on a loan judging by how his first one at Norwich, while his excelsior loan was very meh. I'm also glad he has found his feet, though I reckon another year in Portugal would do him a world of good.

 

[Anuth]

 

[Anuth]

 

[IGSpur]

I'm all for seeing academy players excelling, whether it's with us or elsewhere but just want to point out my understanding from a Fulham supporting friend is that he has been average across the season (and I don't mean that in a derogatory way by average I mean, steady but not spectacular)

I'm told the last 10 games has seen a huge improvement in his output but he was coasting most of the season. Let's hope something has clicked because he has the talent.

Ye that;s been widely reported. He wasn't pulling up any trees as he was trying to find his feet, but Parker showed his faith in him and gave him chances. And now he seems to be performing. It's what can happen we people show belief in someone it boosts, their confidence and gives them stability.

I've said it before, coasting is something he'll always be accused of. It's his style/mannerism whatever you want to call it. If he was 'coasting' do you believe that a manager would let someone get away with that in the Championship. Of course not. Parker knows he isn't coasting, they'll have stats backing that type of stuff up, but to fans it will appear as though he is. It's like Pogba when he plays well everyone loves it but when he's struggling he will look like he isn't trying but that's not the case

 

[IGSpur]

Well one of the big changes was Parker started playing him further forward after the break. As more of an out and out AM, something Poch was criticised for. The reality is right now, if he wasn't from our academy none would be talking about him being a potential signing, and thats still the case. I'm glad he is doing well now.

Noone criticised Poch for playing him as a CAM that's how he came up through the academy. It's where he played against Monaco. Poch was criticised for playing him for 2min spells at the end of a game as a striker or on the wing. Completely alien positions.

 

[IGSpur]

I assume this means he has come back?

 

[C0YS]

Noone criticised Poch for playing him as a CAM that's how he came up through the academy. It's where he played against Monaco. Poch was criticised for playing him for 2min spells at the end of a game as a striker or on the wing. Completely alien positions.

He was criticised for it. Under Poch we never really played wingers, they were always three roaming AM's behind the front line. So that criticism would just be, well, confused. Against Monaco he played off the flank as well, I remember it quite well, was my penultimate game at WHL. That was his best game for us as well, I remember both him and Njie looking pretty sharp that game.

 

[IGSpur]

He was criticised for it. Under Poch we never really played wingers, they were always three roaming AM's behind the front line. So that criticism would just be, well, confused. Against Monaco he played off the flank as well, I remember it quite well, was my penultimate game at WHL. That was his best game for us as well, I remember both him and Njie looking pretty sharp that game.

Sorry, What I mean is, he can't have been criticised for it as he never played in CAM, not in the PL anyway. I vaguely remember a game against Leicester where he came in off the left and was essentially playing centrally, and he played well, and maybe a game against Wycombe, but I don't remember the criticism of Poch for him playing JO in CAM then. I may be misremembering.

My main point was whenever he was played, all those chances and appearances you said he got to prove himself, were ad hoc minutes, on the wing or striker. That's no chance at all. I just checked transfer market, and in the PL for us he averaged 7mins per match (he could genuinely not have even got a kick in some of those games) over 13 games and 3 seasons, in the FA Cup 37mins per match 8 games and 3 seasons and he played 2 90s in the Carling Cup, one where he scored. In Onomah's whole time with us in every competition he played less minutes than Lamela played in his injury plagued first season with us, when everyone said, that Lamela hadn't had a fair chance and shouldn't be judged. Heck Stambouli played more in the cup games in one season for us than Onomah's whole time and I don't remember one notable performance from him. But people seem to believe Onomah had a fair chance and ample time to judge him with minimal experience compared to them. I don't get that. I'd have thought the expectation on them should be higher than on Onomah but apparently Onomah should've made more of his 'chances' than actual signings.

I'm fairly sure he didn't I remember being there, and I think Lamela was on the RW and Njie on the left but ye him and Njie had great games

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[Anuth]

I assume this means he has come back?

Yes but from the last sentence, they might want to sign him permanently soon.

 

[IGSpur]

Yes but from the last sentence, they might want to sign him permanently soon.

Apparently Sam has had a good season for them but missed a pen in their shootout.

 

[spurs9]

Maybe the comparative lack of pressure without fans in the stadium is great for these kids confidence? Gives the whole thing more of a training feeling. Would be great if some stathead were doing a statistcal analysis on young players´ performances post re-start

Possibly, though he was apparently "soft"and "weak" earlier in the season but is now "not getting pushed around" like he used to, so may have physically developed and mentally developed some fight in him.

The above is from online Fulham fans, not my Uncle and Cousin, who I haven't spoken to since the re-start.

 

[midge]

What do you think of the 7 kids picked in this article

Seven talented Spurs youngsters to make an impact and save Levy millions

With huge financial losses expected Tottenham Hotspur will be looking to their academy for their future more than ever in the months and years ahead

www.football.london

 

[Cornpattbuck]

What do you think of the 7 kids picked in this article

Seven talented Spurs youngsters to make an impact and save Levy millions

With huge financial losses expected Tottenham Hotspur will be looking to their academy for their future more than ever in the months and years ahead

www.football.london

My main take on that is: "why are our players always injured?!"

We've got some very talented lads coming through though, for sure.

 

[Locotoro]

I know this is old but I'd not seen it before and gives some insight into Kion Etete.

Some notes on young Spurs striker Kion Etete following his summer switch from Notts County:

Some notes on young Spurs striker Kion Etete following his summer switch from Notts County: Having now watched Spurs’ young centre forward Kion Reece Etete on over 20 occasions, I thought that I’d …

superhotspur.com

 

[IGSpur]

Possibly, though he was apparently "soft"and "weak" earlier in the season but is now "not getting pushed around" like he used to, so may have physically developed and mentally developed some fight in him.

The above is from online Fulham fans, not my Uncle and Cousin, who I haven't spoken to since the re-start.

Ye. Definitely think if that's true it's a confidence thing. Believiing he should be there and comes down to Parker backing him.

His physique has never been a problem and at youth level he could do that. Heck look at the Monaco game above 1min in holding Bakayoko and other first teamers off with the ball. That's when he had belief and confidence in himself, not surprised it disappeared but glad to see it back

 

[IGSpur]

What do you think of the 7 kids picked in this article

Seven talented Spurs youngsters to make an impact and save Levy millions

With huge financial losses expected Tottenham Hotspur will be looking to their academy for their future more than ever in the months and years ahead

www.football.london

I have my doubts about Bennet being good enough for our first team, but things can change. Etete is OK but he'd fit as he's a physically ready whether he has the 'ability' to lead the line for our first team, not sure, but wouldn't be surprised to see him as a sub.

Parrott, Cirkin and White are the ones who have the ability to be at our level.

 

[wrd]

In that case they should have been out on loan gaining experience - it's looking more and more like a number of our youth were completely stifled without being given the opportunity to grow and then give the club/Poch/whoever else options rather than spunk money away on punts that were not wanted either.

No wonder some of those who follow the youth setups and comment, get so frustrated with the long term picture of our youth team set ups.

Onomah went out on to Aston Villa for a season and then to Sheffield Wednesday. Edwards went out on loan to Norwich, managed to screw that up with his attitude and then went to the dutch league. As annoying as it is they're now performing having secured permanent moves, they were given the opportunity to prove themselves out on loan.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

It seems to me since Sherwood went our development of young prospects has gone down the toilet.

When he was there we had an extensive loan system setup, we had a good link with Swindon, who played good football and created a great start for a number of our young players. Sherwood would always change loans midseason if needed.

He would watch the matches and keep a track of all the progress. Now I'm not saying we need him back but who is doing that now at spurs? We are clearly creating the talent but we are failing these youngsters and their progression.

The link between the first team and development squad was non existent under poch. Only with jose have we started again.

Tanganga, cirkin, kwp loan. Hopefully this continues. If they are not playing then loan them out, but choose the right club.

It was mental that we didn't loan players to Leeds when the mentality was similar to what poch wanted. Clarke being loaned out and not playing? Edwards, onomah and kwp? Hopefully Jose sorts this out.