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mpickard2087

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Austin is a good keeper and I think he is better than Whiteman who I would let go.

I assume though this is just getting him a platform to go ahead with his career. What's the best case scenario, he comes back and is No.3 goalkeeper? Which is basically bibs balls and cones coordinator. I don't get what the point is - him and Whiteman are both 21 now and need to be playing football and building a career, because unless some freak event happens it's obvious that wont be at Spurs. They should want to go, the club should morally be letting them go.
 

IGSpur

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I have seen Whiteman for the u23s this year he played against Ipswich in the cup, he has not improved as a keeper and you know I like De Bie who has played a bit more this year and we also have Josh Oluwayemi who is a very good keeper.

Seems like the standard thing. I don't think a single player improved once they were taken to train with the first team.

I like Oluwayemi though.

Btw Nile John has been called up to England again. Looks like they have him down as a midfielder and not attacker. Arguably the most elegant on the ball but confess I haven't seen him for the u18s as he's been injured. Glad to see him straight back with England, reminds me of when Tanganga was out for a while and went straight back in.

Apparently CM is his role now. Either way getting more games with good players around him will hopefully make up for the time lost.
 

edson

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I assume though this is just getting him a platform to go ahead with his career. What's the best case scenario, he comes back and is No.3 goalkeeper? Which is basically bibs balls and cones coordinator. I don't get what the point is - him and Whiteman are both 21 now and need to be playing football and building a career, because unless some freak event happens it's obvious that wont be at Spurs. They should want to go, the club should morally be letting them go.
You and I both know that is not how clubs do things, look at Chelsea today they should have let Olivier Giroud go today because it would have been the right thing to do but they did not, they could have let him go and it did not have to be to us but instead he is now in limbo not playing.

Back to the keepers as long as we send our best keepers out on season loans then I see no reason to let good keepers go unless that keeper wants to go.
 
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Locotoro

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I'm happy to see the long list of loans if I'm honest. I'd rather have players out developing their experience than take a focused approach of only two or three loans which actually may not work anyway.
We've got around 10 players or so going out with the chance to develop and opportunities for younger players to step up a level internally to play a higher level of football in the U23s.

On the question of Pochettinos approach, for me it wasn't wrong generally but unfortunately it just wasn't right in England. That approach works when you have B teams playing in the professional leagues but since we don't there's not much competition. And we seem to have played in far fewer tournaments recently than before.
Either way I just hope there is someone in place to coordinate these loans and keep track of the boys whilst they are out
 

IGSpur

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Be interesting to see if he can become the box to box, ball carrier he used to be. I remember having seen him play on the wing a few times.

He then became a predominantly holding player and a good one due to he ball retention ability. Tyrese Campbell who was a promising striker in the year above seems to have found his form again so lets see if the manage can bring TOB's ability out of him too. If he does England will have struck gold
 

ralphs bald spot

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Be interesting to see if he can become the box to box, ball carrier he used to be. I remember having seen him play on the wing a few times.

He then became a predominantly holding player and a good one due to he ball retention ability. Tyrese Campbell who was a promising striker in the year above seems to have found his form again so lets see if the manage can bring TOB's ability out of him too. If he does England will have struck gold

I think the clamour to create so called defensive midfield players has created a problem for young players . Amos suffered a similar stagnation when pushed into the holding role from having been a central midfielder who could push on and one who used the ball intelligently. I

Youngsters are asked to play deeper concentrate on cover and keeping the ball. You then begin to develop players who are risk averse and don't express themselves and players who become a little unsure of their roles. I think its problem with coaching and the development. In my opinion the trend is o shoe horn midfielders into tight safe players is derogatory to their development as footballers.

Watch Winks play, he is not a defensive player he is best when pushing on and being progressive but instead he becomes so negative in his passing that it becomes a problem for the team. He really is a product of the youth programme.

i think its also contributed to the lack of flair players coming through with the emphasis on consistency instead of expression
 

Blake Griffin

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FT u18s 1-1 Bennett on 88min

was a poor game.

both teams struggled with the wind so there was very little control from either side. bennett scored a good goal and also hit the post twice, despite that though he was still quite frustrating and ran into defenders a lot. muir was strong defensively and carrington had a few nice touches when he came on. not much else to report on besides that. u16s lost 3-0.
 

edson

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was a poor game.

both teams struggled with the wind so there was very little control from either side. bennett scored a good goal and also hit the post twice, despite that though he was still quite frustrating and ran into defenders a lot. muir was strong defensively and carrington had a few nice touches when he came on. not much else to report on besides that. u16s lost 3-0.
Carrington does look a good player someone I hope we see more of as the season goes on.
 

Spurzinho

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After him saying his goodbyes its all gone very quiet on Luis Binks. Anyone know what happened? Don't get me wrong if he's staying then I think that's fantastic news although it doesn't bode well that we were willing to let him go.
 

JamieSpursCommunityUser

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After him saying his goodbyes its all gone very quiet on Luis Binks. Anyone know what happened? Don't get me wrong if he's staying then I think that's fantastic news although it doesn't bode well that we were willing to let him go.

If he's going to MLS their window opens 7th Feb and shuts in May, so he could move at any time really.

Would be a real shame if perm, especially as there seems to be more of a pathway with our loan policy, smaller first team squad, and a natural LCB successor to Jan required.

I'm totally confused by it if true. He's just turned 18, it's not like he's in KWP territory?

Surely we can offer him a decent contract, and sort out a loan to MLS or Gillingham given his connections there?
 

NorthernYido

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I think the clamour to create so called defensive midfield players has created a problem for young players . Amos suffered a similar stagnation when pushed into the holding role from having been a central midfielder who could push on and one who used the ball intelligently. I

Youngsters are asked to play deeper concentrate on cover and keeping the ball. You then begin to develop players who are risk averse and don't express themselves and players who become a little unsure of their roles. I think its problem with coaching and the development. In my opinion the trend is o shoe horn midfielders into tight safe players is derogatory to their development as footballers.

Watch Winks play, he is not a defensive player he is best when pushing on and being progressive but instead he becomes so negative in his passing that it becomes a problem for the team. He really is a product of the youth programme.

i think its also contributed to the lack of flair players coming through with the emphasis on consistency instead of expression
Wholeheartedly agree with your post, winks is a perfect example of a player who I feel has become more risk averse as a player in the last 18 months and his game has suffered accordingly
 

IGSpur

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Just had a thought. With our ability to either sell or get so many players shifted out on loan, it does beg the question why certain players didn't go, who are more than capable. With KWP gone, and no other real RB as a backup, I wonder if Mourinho is potentially looking at Hinds as some sort of emergency back up. I had completely forgot about Smith, but Hinds is either the 2nd or 3rd best RB I've seen in the academy, so ability-wise I'd be more than happy for him to feature in the first team.

He's versatile, is more able to play LB than KWP for example, though he is a lot better at RB, can also play CM, and his natural game is a lot less gung ho, than KWP, so he doesn't necessarily need to temper anything to make him appear a safe option. He is just a lot more steady so I'd imagine more trustworthy.

I struggle to believe no club would have come in for him, or that we would have been against a loan when you consider everyone who's gone out unless there is a good reason, and we have zero RB back up other than Foyth/Sissoko/Dier. I just remembered Tanganga as I typed this, but surely we can't continue to use him as a RB? Has anyone spotted him, or aware if he is training with the first team?
 

Spurrific

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Lol there’s no solid info there on Binks at all that wasn’t already on here or twitter.

There wasn’t any info at all from him imo - just somebody that has seen the same Snapchat pic we’ve all seen of the young players seemingly saying “bye” to Binks and intimating they have prior knowledge of the situation.
 
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