Spurs Youth - 2019/20

[Spurzinho]

I've mentioned it before but Nya Kirby fails to make the bench again. He turns 21 in January and his Palace contract expires in June 2021. With the fixture pile-up post lockdown you'd have thought that a talented, young, English midfielder would get on the bench at least. Its looking like he's going to have to drop down the leagues to make a name for himself.

 

[C0YS]

I've mentioned it before but Nya Kirby fails to make the bench again. He turns 21 in January and his Palace contract expires in June 2021. With the fixture pile-up post lockdown you'd have thought that a talented, young, English midfielder would get on the bench at least. Its looking like he's going to have to drop down the leagues to make a name for himself.

That is the route for the vast majority of talented youngsters. I always like to look back at the guardian best players under 17 stuff that they do every year, because it gives you a pretty good look at the hit rate of well considered youth players. Namely, it's not very high!

To summarise, for the 2014 PL group we have.

Premier League: 3
Championship: 5
league 1
League 2: 1
Non league/out of football: 8
Foreign league top div not in big 5: 1
Minor foreign league: 1

and the global list

Top European League: 11
Top South American League: 1
Euro league top div not in big 5: 6
Middling Latin American League: 2
Lower division major league: 6
Minor foreign league: 7
Lower league, minor foreign league: 4
Non League/not in football: 2


so out of 40 players 11 are right now at the top of football, but even then only around half of that can be described as regulars. IN the PL 3/20 have made it to the top, while almost half are in non-league. It must be said that the PL one picks a player from each club, so it isn't the most accurate representation of the top talent of that age group. But still.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

I've mentioned it before but Nya Kirby fails to make the bench again. He turns 21 in January and his Palace contract expires in June 2021. With the fixture pile-up post lockdown you'd have thought that a talented, young, English midfielder would get on the bench at least. Its looking like he's going to have to drop down the leagues to make a name for himself.

Although it sounds a bit mean spirited, I'm always relieved if a young player who has left us fails to hit the heights elsewhere. Unless they really shafted us when leaving, I hope they have good careers . But not to the point of causing us any great regret.

Historically, Graeme Souness was probably the biggest loss in that respect. What about more recently? From what I can tell, none of the comparatively recent departures are yet showing enough to make us rue the day. Milos Veljkovic is good without being really special. I guess Marcus Edwards is most likely of the remainder? Or Noni Madueke? What do the regular youth watchers think?

 

[Spurzinho]

Although it sounds a bit mean spirited, I'm always relieved if a young player who has left us fails to hit the heights elsewhere. Unless they really shafted us when leaving, I hope they have good careers . But not to the point of causing us any great regret.

Historically, Graeme Souness was probably the biggest loss in that respect. What about more recently? From what I can tell, none of the comparatively recent departures are yet showing enough to make us rue the day. Milos Veljkovic is good without being really special. I guess Marcus Edwards is most likely of the remainder? Or Noni Madueke? What do the regular youth watchers think?

Edwards is undeniably looking very good in Portugal and there's no doubt in my mind that a number of big Spanish, German and Italian clubs will be looking at him. We handled him badly but he also couldn't seem to ever get his head straight with us so a fresh start seems to have galvanised him and he's going to be a very, very good player.

 

[chinaman]

Although it sounds a bit mean spirited, I'm always relieved if a young player who has left us fails to hit the heights elsewhere. Unless they really shafted us when leaving, I hope they have good careers . But not to the point of causing us any great regret.

Historically, Graeme Souness was probably the biggest loss in that respect. What about more recently? From what I can tell, none of the comparatively recent departures are yet showing enough to make us rue the day. Milos Veljkovic is good without being really special. I guess Marcus Edwards is most likely of the remainder? Or Noni Madueke? What do the regular youth watchers think?

Keith Weller was another great loss.

 

[C0YS]

Although it sounds a bit mean spirited, I'm always relieved if a young player who has left us fails to hit the heights elsewhere. Unless they really shafted us when leaving, I hope they have good careers . But not to the point of causing us any great regret.

Historically, Graeme Souness was probably the biggest loss in that respect. What about more recently? From what I can tell, none of the comparatively recent departures are yet showing enough to make us rue the day. Milos Veljkovic is good without being really special. I guess Marcus Edwards is most likely of the remainder? Or Noni Madueke? What do the regular youth watchers think?

The most successful youth player to leave our club recently is Yuri. Who has had a top career and has been one of the best fullbacks in La Liga for some time. He would have definitely improved us.

 

[Locotoro]

The most successful youth player to leave our club recently is Yuri. Who has had a top career and has been one of the best fullbacks in La Liga for some time. He would have definitely improved us.

To be fair, he's moved around a fair amount and seemed to be a late bloomer

 

[MattPhilpott]

Certainly whilst Parrot is injured, having Etete on the bench for the last 3 games makes perfect sense to me...

We are allowed extended benches and more subs...the guy is 6ft6, he can impact a game in an instant with his side alone.

Marcus Rashford was struggling to get games in the Utd reserves, all of a sudden he pops up and takes his chance...I really think Etete offers a brute level of physicality up front and could actually be a perfect option for Kane to facilitate his play.

Some food for thought anyway. Nothing to lose in my opinion

 

[Yiddo100]

Certainly whilst Parrot is injured, having Etete on the bench for the last 3 games makes perfect sense to me...

We are allowed extended benches and more subs...the guy is 6ft6, he can impact a game in an instant with his side alone.

Marcus Rashford was struggling to get games in the Utd reserves, all of a sudden he pops up and takes his chance...I really think Etete offers a brute level of physicality up front and could actually be a perfect option for Kane to facilitate his play.

Some food for thought anyway. Nothing to lose in my opinion

Has he been training though

 

[MattPhilpott]

Has he been training though

The article above looks as though he has been...I imagine all of the players will still be training in some capacity, I don’t think they would give them all that time off.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

The most successful youth player to leave our club recently is Yuri. Who has had a top career and has been one of the best fullbacks in La Liga for some time. He would have definitely improved us.

Berchiche would certainly have given us good cover at left back but I’m not sure that he would have been good enough to displace a peak Danny Rose.

And while he might well have been able to give us something had he stayed, the fact that he didn’t isn’t a major source of regret - for me, at least.

Edwards, if he does eventually fulfill his potential, is the one I’m most worried about. Maybe we could get him back one day?

 

[IGSpur]

Although it sounds a bit mean spirited, I'm always relieved if a young player who has left us fails to hit the heights elsewhere. Unless they really shafted us when leaving, I hope they have good careers . But not to the point of causing us any great regret.

Historically, Graeme Souness was probably the biggest loss in that respect. What about more recently? From what I can tell, none of the comparatively recent departures are yet showing enough to make us rue the day. Milos Veljkovic is good without being really special. I guess Marcus Edwards is most likely of the remainder? Or Noni Madueke? What do the regular youth watchers think?

It's unlikely to happen as we keep players on and stifle their development during crucial years. Generally releasing them into the the game and at a lesser club aroudn the age of 22 or 23. To make the climb back up is difficult up. You'd have to be an exceptional player with everything falling in place, and a lot of resilience to come back from that knock of confidence too.

Noni Madueke is more likely to cause problems, having not been stifled and still a talent.

Regardless I'm not someone who quite gets comparing their development. At one point do we measure that? When they were playing their best, when they go through bad form? People mention Edwards now, he could easily have a dip and people would go back to calling him a billy big bollocks and say we make the right decision. He's an incredible talent, but still got a long way to go, he's just in a decent patch of form at the moment. Hope he carries it on anyway and becomes a top quality player.

 

[Matecheck]

I have a question regarding Rafferty Pedder. Was looking for an accurate ht/wt for him, and came across his Football Manager profiles. Last year he was listed there as 5´7/137lbs, in this years game he´s listed as 6´2/170. Is this true, a 7 inch growth spurt (Mrs Matecheck would love one of those...)? Or an anomalous input by some underpaid, lock-down-crazed staffer of theirs? Or is it actually somewhere in the middle?Links:

Raff Pedder 2019 Profile

Raff Pedder 2020 Profile

 

[SamR]

This is a really interesting thread. Thanks for all of the insight.

Zooming out it does seem we've failed to get our youth players loan moves to help them develop and woth their transition into men's football.

It's extremely difficult to seed in youth players when we have ambitions to win the premier league and trophies. I can understand why we haven't been successful in recent times in doing so as Poch and Jose were given a mandate to win something.

Exciting to hear about some of these young guys coming through and i do think they will be given a chance in pre-season. I'd be pretty excited as a younger player knowing that the first team has gapping wholes in it and opportunities for me to get a go when transfer budget will be very stretched.

 

[C0YS]

Berchiche would certainly have given us good cover at left back but I’m not sure that he would have been good enough to displace a peak Danny Rose.

And while he might well have been able to give us something had he stayed, the fact that he didn’t isn’t a major source of regret - for me, at least.

Edwards, if he does eventually fulfill his potential, is the one I’m most worried about. Maybe we could get him back one day?

I agree. But he has been our most successful youth graduate, not at the club, in recent years! I wouldn't take any of them back. Edwards we will see, he seems to be in a spot of form. but in a broader context, he is one of many.

 

[Spurzinho]

I have a question regarding Rafferty Pedder. Was looking for an accurate ht/wt for him, and came across his Football Manager profiles. Last year he was listed there as 5´7/137lbs, in this years game he´s listed as 6´2/170. Is this true, a 7 inch growth spurt (Mrs Matecheck would love one of those...)? Or an anomalous input by some underpaid, lock-down-crazed staffer of theirs? Or is it actually somewhere in the middle?Links:

Raff Pedder 2019 Profile

Raff Pedder 2020 Profile

No growth spurt. The 2020 profile has just been guesstimated by a researcher unfamiliar with our youth.

 

[Yiddo100]

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Some of the names in there have to be a joke ? did the parents use random name generators lol

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

It's unlikely to happen as we keep players on and stifle their development during crucial years. Generally releasing them into the the game and at a lesser club aroudn the age of 22 or 23. To make the climb back up is difficult up. You'd have to be an exceptional player with everything falling in place, and a lot of resilience to come back from that knock of confidence too.

Noni Madueke is more likely to cause problems, having not been stifled and still a talent.

Regardless I'm not someone who quite gets comparing their development. At one point do we measure that? When they were playing their best, when they go through bad form? People mention Edwards now, he could easily have a dip and people would go back to calling him a billy big bollocks and say we make the right decision. He's an incredible talent, but still got a long way to go, he's just in a decent patch of form at the moment. Hope he carries it on anyway and becomes a top quality player.

It’s not those we keep, and who then stagnate, that I’m talking about. Rather, it’s those who decide - as a fair number have lately (Kirby, Griffiths, Bennetts, Madueke etc) - to leave without signing a pro contract.

 

[leelee]

I agree. But he has been our most successful youth graduate, not at the club, in recent years! I wouldn't take any of them back. Edwards we will see, he seems to be in a spot of form. but in a broader context, he is one of many.

Edwards is up against a Benfica side later today. Think it will be shown on freeview/premier sports. Iirc we have a hefty sell on with him too.