Spurs Youth - 2019/20

[IGSpur]

Also Lol at Cirkin now being above Sessegnon. I knew we didn't have to spend money on him. I said we had our own players. Sessegnon is a very good player, but it's just a waste of money. When we had Brown for example. Cirkin is probably the best LB I've seen for us, so no surprise he's favoured above Sessegnon, but I don't really have faith in him getting played.

And buying Clarke over giving Edwards was crazy. I hope Clarke comes good, but I said ages ago there is noway he is better than Edwards at the same age. But because he was getting chances in the Champ and cost 15m it meant he was better.

One day we'll get the hang of this youth thing again, instead of watching on enviously elsewhere, as we've got and have more than enough talent. Though we lost a lot of our best generation, we can at least start to go again.

Let's start by getting Skipp and Cirkin actual games and put an end to our talent wasting

 

[spurfetto]

Also Lol at Cirkin now being above Sessegnon. I knew we didn't have to spend money on him. I said we had our own players. Sessegnon is a very good player, but it's just a waste of money. When we had Brown for example. Cirkin is probably the best LB I've seen for us, so no surprise he's favoured above Sessegnon, but I don't really have faith in him getting played.

And buying Clarke over giving Edwards was crazy. I hope Clarke comes good, but I said ages ago there is noway he is better than Edwards at the same age. But because he was getting chances in the Champ and cost 15m it meant he was better.

One day we'll get the hang of this youth thing again, instead of watching on enviously elsewhere, as we've got and have more than enough talent. Though we lost a lot of our best generation, we can at least start to go again.

Let's start by getting Skipp and Cirkin actual games and put an end to our talent wasting

Hey mate, nice that you rate cirkin so highly, whats your opinion on white,?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Also Lol at Cirkin now being above Sessegnon. I knew we didn't have to spend money on him. I said we had our own players. Sessegnon is a very good player, but it's just a waste of money. When we had Brown for example. Cirkin is probably the best LB I've seen for us, so no surprise he's favoured above Sessegnon, but I don't really have faith in him getting played.

And buying Clarke over giving Edwards was crazy. I hope Clarke comes good, but I said ages ago there is noway he is better than Edwards at the same age. But because he was getting chances in the Champ and cost 15m it meant he was better.

One day we'll get the hang of this youth thing again, instead of watching on enviously elsewhere, as we've got and have more than enough talent. Though we lost a lot of our best generation, we can at least start to go again.

Let's start by getting Skipp and Cirkin actual games and put an end to our talent wasting

I don’t think we bought Clarke over Edwards. I think we bought Clarke because he showed some exceptional talent in his early appearances (which he obviously has yet to repeat) whereas we sold Edwards because he wanted to play and Pochettino, probably wrong, refused to play him. The two situations are totally unconnected, and in my mind we’d ideally have both, and Parrott, breaking through next season instead of wasting squad spots on players who will never be good enough.

 

[Montalbano]

I can't help but feel Marcus, with his close control and finishing, would have thrived in Lucas's role in Mourinho's system as a tucked in inside forward. Seems like most of his goals for Excelsior and Vitoria have come from a similar position. For that reason [and the sell-on clause] the links to him sort of made sense to me.

Hindsight is 20/20 though.

 

[emiley heskey]

I can't help but feel Marcus, with his close control and finishing, would have thrived in Lucas's role for Mourinho as a tucked in inside forward. Seems like most of his goals for Excelsior and Vitoria have come from a similar position.

Hindsight is 20/20 though.

Marcus Edwards is basically jadon sancho but left footed... If we have sent him on loan to wolfsburg or gladbach for two seasons, he would have been playing over moura now ...

 

[emiley heskey]

Also Lol at Cirkin now being above Sessegnon. I knew we didn't have to spend money on him. I said we had our own players. Sessegnon is a very good player, but it's just a waste of money. When we had Brown for example. Cirkin is probably the best LB I've seen for us, so no surprise he's favoured above Sessegnon, but I don't really have faith in him getting played.

And buying Clarke over giving Edwards was crazy. I hope Clarke comes good, but I said ages ago there is noway he is better than Edwards at the same age. But because he was getting chances in the Champ and cost 15m it meant he was better.

One day we'll get the hang of this youth thing again, instead of watching on enviously elsewhere, as we've got and have more than enough talent. Though we lost a lot of our best generation, we can at least start to go again.

Let's start by getting Skipp and Cirkin actual games and put an end to our talent wasting

Cirkin really that much highly rated? I have never seen him play.. What is his specialty?

 

[emiley heskey]

We lost Onomah, KWP, Edwards over the work rate issue because Pochetinno by hook or crook never liked them. Also we didn't sent them to proper loan spell as well. Though I think edwards failed at norwich and there were some talks regarding his attitude. I think germany is the best place for young kids to go rather than championship clubs.

I hope we don't make the same issue with Parott, Cirkin, Skipp, Tangana, Malachi Fagan Walcott, Harvery White.

Do we have any good winger/inside forwards/dribbler coming through from the academy?

 

[Marty]

Do we have any good winger/inside forwards/dribbler coming through from the academy?

Didn't J'Neil Bennett score the first goal at our new stadium? He's a left winger, looked a handy player in that game but it is admittedly the only time I've seen him play so it would be much appreciated if one of the youth regulars had any info on him.

 

[IGSpur]

I don’t think we bought Clarke over Edwards. I think we bought Clarke because he showed some exceptional talent in his early appearances (which he obviously has yet to repeat) whereas we sold Edwards because he wanted to play and Pochettino, probably wrong, refused to play him. The two situations are totally unconnected, and in my mind we’d ideally have both, and Parrott, breaking through next season instead of wasting squad spots on players who will never be good enough.

But we bought him as I assume we had intended to play him, whereas if we had just played Edwards then we may not have seen the need to spend 15m on a guy likely just getting games as he's at a Championship club.

Same way as if we started playing KWP I doubt we'd see a need to sign Aarons. Though if you're point is we would've bought Clarke regardless if Edwards came good or not then fair enough.

 

[IGSpur]

Hey mate, nice that you rate cirkin so highly, whats your opinion on white,?

White is really good. He's not star quality atm, but he is very good. My concerns with him would be around his general mobility, which I wouldn't like to think is a problem but it will be for someone expecting to come through.

He can put himself about though there's no doubt about that, and get stuck in, I just think looking at him he might give off the impression he's a bit of a liability. Not because he looks lazy but like I said just doesn't appear quick.

He's a really good passer, the best long passer since Veljkovic and Carroll and possibly the best creative player from deep since Carroll. Also, I reckon the best freekick taker since Pritchard, and great on penalties.

There is loads to work with with him and a lot of potential. I'd be more than happy to see him in our first team, but still think we need to try and work in Skipp first, but then I'd go with White.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

But we bought him as I assume we had intended to play him, whereas if we had just played Edwards then we may not have seen the need to spend 15m on a guy likely just getting games as he's at a Championship club.

Same way as if we started playing KWP I doubt we'd see a need to sign Aarons. Though if you're point is we would've bought Clarke regardless if Edwards came good or not then fair enough.

That is my point, I think we saw Clarke, with good reason, as a new Bale. That it’s not materialised like that yet is another matter, but the skill, pace and flair he displayed at a high up Championship club at such a tender age seems to be what attracted us, rather than any glaring hole in our own conveyor belt.

 

[IGSpur]

Cirkin really that much highly rated? I have never seen him play.. What is his specialty?

I've been going on about Cirkin for ages now from when he was in the younger age groups. I was looking forward to him coming through and the great thing about him, is he is fulfilling expectations.

He is an all rounder. A very good dribbler, aware, composed, and a good decision maker. He is also very strong and a good defender, and I think he relishes the responsibility of being a bit of a leader atm. When he became captain he started to up his game.

I'd argue the only FBs that are better dribblers are KWP and Tsaroulla, but Cirkin, is one of the best crossers and passers. I've also seen him get forward on the outside and inside and come central enough to pick the ball up in the no.10 area and still look comfortable.

I hope he gets his chance.

 

[razzmaster]

I've been going on about Cirkin for ages now from when he was in the younger age groups. I was looking forward to him coming through and the great thing about him, is he is fulfilling expectations.

He is an all rounder. A very good dribbler, aware, composed, and a good decision maker. He is also very strong and a good defender, and I think he relishes the responsibility of being a bit of a leader atm. When he became captain he started to up his game.

I'd argue the only FBs that are better dribblers are KWP and Tsaroulla, but Cirkin, is one of the best crossers and passers. I've also seen him get forward on the outside and inside and come central enough to pick the ball up in the no.10 area and still look comfortable.

I hope he gets his chance.

The way Mourinho is talking him up I would be amazed if he isn't given a chance.

 

[emiley heskey]

I've been going on about Cirkin for ages now from when he was in the younger age groups. I was looking forward to him coming through and the great thing about him, is he is fulfilling expectations.

He is an all rounder. A very good dribbler, aware, composed, and a good decision maker. He is also very strong and a good defender, and I think he relishes the responsibility of being a bit of a leader atm. When he became captain he started to up his game.

I'd argue the only FBs that are better dribblers are KWP and Tsaroulla, but Cirkin, is one of the best crossers and passers. I've also seen him get forward on the outside and inside and come central enough to pick the ball up in the no.10 area and still look comfortable.

I hope he gets his chance.

I only know cirkin from his youtube videos. He had uploaded some videos of him freestyling football 5 years ago. I like that he is bit of a leader as well. Mourinho likes this trait in a player.

Is white small sized just like caroll, mason, winks?

 

[Hercules]

Cirkin is my favourite, then White out of this crop. I tip Cirkin to be a massive hit. Couldn’t agree more with igspur

 

[IGSpur]

Do we have any good winger/inside forwards/dribbler coming through from the academy?

Bennett, but he isn't anywhere on the level of Edwards, Madueke and maybe even Bennetts level or possibly Shashoua. But he could do a job for our first team I think. My issue with him is I still think he's far too selfish without the raw ability to back it up. If that makes sense. I've he works on his interplay he could easily be a first teamer.

I've always been a fan of Clarke, but he will need time and to really become the star he could be. He has quick feet and flair, but I'll be honest I don't think he'll make it.

The next big wing/forward talent is Mathurin, so we need to see where he is at the end of next year, he'll be joining the academy. Hopefully he has a good first season. And then we continue his development.

 

[IGSpur]

I only know cirkin from his youtube videos. He had uploaded some videos of him freestyling football 5 years ago. I like that he is bit of a leader as well. Mourinho likes this trait in a player.

Is white small sized just like caroll, mason, winks?

Small-size? Possibly. He's more Winks and Mason than Carroll though.

I wouldn't consider him small though. I'd consider Edwards and Shashoua(both), Clarke, Markanday small players.

 

[IGSpur]

That is my point, I think we saw Clarke, with good reason, as a new Bale. That it’s not materialised like that yet is another matter, but the skill, pace and flair he displayed at a high up Championship club at such a tender age seems to be what attracted us, rather than any glaring hole in our own conveyor belt.

Fair enough. I've never seen Clarke play as I don't watch Leeds, but just imagine him to be like Bowen a young player that excels in the Championship that catches the eye but ultimately won't be top class.

Usually the England age group coaches know their stuff, and he never made the early sides, and they will have players from all clubs in there.

I just assumed he was one of those late bloomers benefiting from his circumstance. Hope he does show himself to be quality though.

My understanding though is he appeared Bale-esque. A PL club buys him, send him back on loan straight away and he stopped playing. How can he suddenly turn 'bad' overnight? Or is he just proof that a manager won't always choose the best players for a team and there are other factors involved i.e. why continue to develop a player that's not ours

 

[danielneeds]

That is my point, I think we saw Clarke, with good reason, as a new Bale. That it’s not materialised like that yet is another matter, but the skill, pace and flair he displayed at a high up Championship club at such a tender age seems to be what attracted us, rather than any glaring hole in our own conveyor belt.

Any of our scouts who saw him as a new Bale must have been drunk and need giving a gold watch and a handshake. He’s a good size and a decent turn of pace, but anyone who saw Leeds game could see he was extremely raw and had loads of work to do. As for what’s happened since, I can only assume his confidence has taken a bit of a battering.

 

[emiley heskey]

I dont know what our scouts see. Clarke doesnt have the speed of bale, just like aarons doesnt have speed of walker ...