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Match Threads Spurs vs Wolves

Date
Dec 29, 2024
KO Time
3:00 pm
Score
2 - 2
Bentancur 12 mins
Johnson 45 + 3 mins

Match Prediction

  • Spurs Win

    Votes: 44 34.4%
  • Wolves win

    Votes: 63 49.2%
  • Draw

    Votes: 21 16.4%

  • Total voters
    128

Locotoro

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Doesn’t mention anything about the number of players injured in that chart though does it. And at the minute, our squad is decimated and our backup players are either also injured, too young or simply not good enough.

injuries are a huge factor, if not the biggest, in where we are at the minute.
We're currently experiencing the worst injury crisis of the past decade.

So far this season we have a cumulative 139 games worth of missed game time through injuries (not even included when players have been subbed during a match.
That's a ridiculous number considering last season was 166 games worth across it's entirety
 

TonyK

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Aug 13, 2004
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He’s talking specifically about today, though, not “big picture”

I mean, where do we draw the line? Do we blame Levy for Sons penalty miss, for Udogies injury etc etc

For sure, the buck stops with Levy and ENIC are the main hurdle preventing us from winning the league or whatever but when a fan is just talking about one individual game and the response is “it’s Levy’s fault” how do you respond to that?
Today's performance is a direct result of our squad being nowhere remotely near where it needs to be. And that is entirely upon Levy and the Board.
 

E17yid

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Jan 21, 2013
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Today's performance is a direct result of our squad being nowhere remotely near where it needs to be. And that is entirely upon Levy and the Board.
I didn’t watch the game but it sounded like we didn’t play scintillating football but we tried hard, came back from behind got ourselves in front then conceded at the end from a good goal. Son missing a pen and a few other good chances when we were 2-1 up probably didn’t help either.

Were you praising Levy for the 4-0 win against City?
 

Tezza1978

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Jun 3, 2021
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Today's performance is a direct result of our squad being nowhere remotely near where it needs to be. And that is entirely upon Levy and the Board.
Look you have dug yourself a deep enough hole and even admitted your words were too aggressive re Levy and his family. Go for a walk/walk the dog/walk the dog and go for a last orders pint ( the latter is what I have done). I stand by what I said (the right wing stuff referred to Twitter by the way). You aren't going to get a Levy out solution short term. Things will pan out as they will and shouting at clouds about the chairman is pointless.
 

homer hotspur

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Dec 7, 2014
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Doesn’t mention anything about the number of players injured in that chart though does it. And at the minute, our squad is decimated and our backup players are either also injured, too young or simply not good enough.

injuries are a huge factor, if not the biggest, in where we are at the minute.
Absolutely the biggest factor
 

Rout-Ledge

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He’s talking specifically about today, though, not “big picture”

I mean, where do we draw the line? Do we blame Levy for Sons penalty miss, for Udogies injury etc etc

For sure, the buck stops with Levy and ENIC are the main hurdle preventing us from winning the league or whatever but when a fan is just talking about one individual game and the response is “it’s Levy’s fault” how do you respond to that?
I agree that bringing everything back to Levy misses the more immediate issues. Levy being a problem in a wider sense doesn’t mean we should ignore the absolutely dire results this team and manager have been achieving this season.
 

tubbygold

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Jan 12, 2021
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I still hope we stick it out with him, despite his flaws.

Our previous managers had their own flaws, but if we’d stuck with them and backed them, things probably would have looked different.
 

E17yid

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Jan 21, 2013
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I still hope we stick it out with him, despite his flaws.

Our previous managers had their own flaws, but if we’d stuck with them and backed them, things probably would have looked different.
IMO definitely the best thing going for Ange during this crisis is that the players seem to be behind him which is testament to him. I don’t think you could say the same thing with Conte and Jose. When you lose the players there’s not much you can do really so I can certainly see the logic in sticking with Ange until that happens (hopefully it doesn’t obviously).

Having said that, sometimes a manger needs to go even if they haven’t lost the dressing room. Didn’t Walker or someone come out relatively recently and say that the players were gutted when AVB got sacked?
 

TonyK

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Aug 13, 2004
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I can’t believe I spent over a decade passionately defending Daniel Levy.
Don't beat yourself up Tibsy.

Despite 25 years of dross, there are still plenty on here defending Levy. It is unbelievable really.

Who knows where we would be if HK hadn't fallen in to his lap.
 

Rout-Ledge

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I can’t believe I spent over a decade passionately defending Daniel Levy.
He at least delivered some things of value for the club and placed us in a stable position. Everything he’s done since the stadium opened has shown he’s got no idea what to do next, though.
 

TonyK

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Aug 13, 2004
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I didn’t watch the game but it sounded like we didn’t play scintillating football but we tried hard, came back from behind got ourselves in front then conceded at the end from a good goal. Son missing a pen and a few other good chances when we were 2-1 up probably didn’t help either.

Were you praising Levy for the 4-0 win against City?
No, I wasn't praising Levy for the 4 nil against Shitty either E17.

I've made my mind up on Levy based on his 25 years of club ownership. And as most of us will agree, those 25 years have been nowhere near good enough. We've been through 14 different managers at this point. Some of those managers have won trophies at all of their previous clubs. Yet, every single one of them have failed with us.

That's how I know that it isn't the managers that are the problem.
 

FloridaSpur

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Doesn’t mention anything about the number of players injured in that chart though does it. And at the minute, our squad is decimated and our backup players are either also injured, too young or simply not good enough.

injuries are a huge factor, if not the biggest, in where we are at the minute.

Another hamstring injury for Udogie?

Ange:

"“It’s a ridiculous amount of games we are having to play. “And I guess it’s the way and the manner in which we play our football as well, it’s very demanding on the players. We don’t have the squad yet to cope with that and that’s putting stress on, which we have had to deal with pretty much the whole way through.”"
 
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FloridaSpur

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He at least delivered some things of value for the club and placed us in a stable position. Everything he’s done since the stadium opened has shown he’s got no idea what to do next, though.

The club have spent a ton of money in transfer windows including the Bale transfer money all going on the magnificent seven, and to a more present day of sixty odd million on N'Dombele and of late Richy.

It's not that Levy hasn't spent, it's the ponies that we have brought in, and that isn't down to Levy.

Let's see what Lange/Paratici do in January.
 

TonyK

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Aug 13, 2004
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The club have spent a ton of money in transfer windows including the Bale transfer money all going on the magnificent seven, and to a more present day of sixty odd million on N'Dombele and of late Richy.

It's not that Levy hasn't spent, it's the ponies that we have brought in, and that isn't down to Levy.

Let's see what Lange/Paratici do in January.
Whilst I can see your point of view FS, we all know that Levy will do the absolute bare minimum of what he thinks he will be able to get away with in January.

We’ve all seen it before. It will just be another window of us going for the cheap options, loan signings or soon to be out of contract bargains. It’s never, ever been about building a team capable of winning things. And that isn’t going to suddenly change now after 25 years of Levy’s ownership.
 

spurdaboyzon

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It bugs me when people talk about Levy’s achievements and reasoning behind it, the Stadium, increased turnover etc

let’s get it straight he has used this club as his own private real estate portfolio, his or ENIC investment in buying the club 25 years ago has been built sustainably but on the back of that his investment will when selling, make ENIC / him 4/5 billion pound.

He ain’t here for the trophies or success of competing, you might get lucky one year he is here for the money. They won’t invest there money into the club even with PSR it has to be generated first, why? So they walk away with every single penny from any potential sell in the future.
 

FloridaSpur

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Whilst I can see your point of view FS, we all know that Levy will do the absolute bare minimum of what he thinks he will be able to get away with in January.

We’ve all seen it before. It will just be another window of us going for the cheap options, loan signings or soon to be out of contract bargains. It’s never, ever been about building a team capable of winning things. And that isn’t going to suddenly change now after 25 years of Levy’s ownership.

I don't think "absolute minimum" is what Levy is about.

What players that will add quality to the squad that are available in January is a different matter.

Loan players are value for money, and we had three out on the pitch today, Bentancur, Kulu and Werner. Romero initially joined us loan, and is now a World Cup winner.

We have never (well since Poch) had a manager long enough to build a team capable of winning anything.

That is a result of poor signings, poor manager appointments and both of these.

Levy I think will stand by Ange, or up to a point where we slip into a serious PL position.
 

Finchyid

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I still hope we stick it out with him, despite his flaws.

Our previous managers had their own flaws, but if we’d stuck with them and backed them, things probably would have looked different.
Agree if kulu scores the 1 on 1 we win the game. Watching the game I thought the 1st half was much better, there was high intensity. Second half we dropped off but still created chances. We defended well up to the goal.

Maddison did nothing when he came on

on another point, how was that not a foul on Johnson for their 1st goal
 

Matrix

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The club have spent a ton of money in transfer windows including the Bale transfer money all going on the magnificent seven, and to a more present day of sixty odd million on N'Dombele and of late Richy.

It's not that Levy hasn't spent, it's the ponies that we have brought in, and that isn't down to Levy.

Let's see what Lange/Paratici do in January.
I agree that we have spent rather a lot over the years, I think 4th or 5th highest spenders maybe? But for all intents and purposes it’s mostly overpaying on mid range (potential sell on value) assets.
If we bought well once, instead of multiple “potentials” that rarely amount to anything more than what we paid, we may well would have had a far different trajectory in our fortunes.
The squad as of today is a result of the managerial revolving door. A mish mash and no coherence.
Hence we have always had trouble clearing the decks and getting the top targets we need (if reports are to be believed).
Unfortunately all roads still lead to Mr Levy.
 
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DenverSpur

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It bugs me when people talk about Levy’s achievements and reasoning behind it, the Stadium, increased turnover etc

let’s get it straight he has used this club as his own private real estate portfolio, his or ENIC investment in buying the club 25 years ago has been built sustainably but on the back of that his investment will when selling, make ENIC / him 4/5 billion pound.

He ain’t here for the trophies or success of competing, you might get lucky one year he is here for the money. They won’t invest there money into the club even with PSR it has to be generated first, why? So they walk away with every single penny from any potential sell in the future.
That’s all true but it’s also true that if the team was winning titles and cups on a regular basis the value of the club would increase
 

fishhhandaricecake

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If you don’t beat teams like Wolves at home then I don’t see how we will pick up many points at all. We could get dragged into a relegation scrap quite easily. Some may say “we’re too good for that” I don’t think we are
Yea I’m concerned tbh. If we don’t win any of our next 3 which is very possible things will start looking quite scary.

I know we have a lot of injuries but right now I think only 3-5 teams are worse than we are, we could get sucked into some real trouble if we aren’t careful :(
 

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