Match Threads Spurs vs Roma

[FloridaSpur]

So many disagrees but I’d love to hear why…

FFS you didn't watch that game?

 

[Donki]

Trust me the atmosphere in Ibrox will be hostile and thick against us and Ange will know it.

 

[DCSPUR64]

When all said and done, this team really isn't that good a starting eleven and never has been.

I can't understand what Ange is holding our best eleven back for, we are unlikely to make the top four so why not play our best eleven in the EL and get an easier draw in the knock out stages.

So many Spurs managers have taken the EL as a practice competition for the real thing, forgetting this is the real thing.

Our starting 11 was our best 11 last night!

 

[Gilzeanking]

Seems generally accepted here that Roma are a 'poor'. side.

Without reference to their recent form I thought they were outstanding, superb passing and great technique. Wonderful match for the neutral.

Obvs disappointing how it ended, we don't know how to close a match down which is plain stupid imo.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

Just because he was a good footballer doesn't mean he's a good commentator though, he's so droll.

There are different ways to be good at punditry.

He isn't verbose or entertaining. I wouldn't want to watch him do stand up. What he does have is authority.

There was a moment in the first half where Brennan beats his man at full speed, head down, and whips it in. Past Son and out for a throw.

Hoddle says something along the lines of "he should get his head up, have an early look." On the face of it, not an earth shattering insight.

If I'm heading that from Jenas or Gary Neville. Then of course they and I know wingers looking up before they cross it is a good thing. Neither of them could do it - certainly at that speed - and nor could I. But they know it's the right thing to say.

When Hoddle says it - he's observing something very specific. He knows exactly on which foot step he would look up. How to create time and space. How it would be executed, even at Brennan's foot speed.

It may sound like a general banal comment, but there's a very precise and deliberate intent to what he's observing.

If Messi made the same comment, it would also have the similar effect on the listener for younger generations now.

Hoddle is up there with any technical genius of the PL era. Modric, Berkgkamp, De Bruyne. In my view he's above them because of his two footedness, and the fact he was doing this on the mud heap pitches of the 80s.

The weighting of his passes off either foot was beyond anything I've seen of any player since.

 

[Mr Pink]

When all said and done, this team really isn't that good a starting eleven and never has been.

I can't understand what Ange is holding our best eleven back for, we are unlikely to make the top four so why not play our best eleven in the EL and get an easier draw in the knock out stages.

So many Spurs managers have taken the EL as a practice competition for the real thing, forgetting this is the real thing.

How can u say we're unlikely to get the top 4?

As much chance as anyne else and will go to the wire.

Roma have some very good players, and they played well and deserved their point.

We should of killed the game and paid the price. We move on.

 

[Shanks]

3 winnable games should see us move into thr automsmatic play off spots.

Rangers being the harder one from those three.

Let's hope the lads can recover well enough before pur next league game, games are coming thick and fast and all seem pretty important

 

[Stamford]

Worst thing about yesterday was that it was £60. A disgrace of a price for the level of opposition

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Seems generally accepted here that Roma are a 'poor'. side.

Without reference to their recent form I thought they were outstanding, superb passing and great technique. Wonderful match for the neutral.

Obvs disappointing how it ended, we don't know how to close a match down which is plain stupid imo.

Thank goodness dybala went off. The second half was a let off. Spurs fine on the first.

Utterly chaotic performance second, no shape, no defensive nous. Really odd jeckyll and Hyde team this.

Roma were very good. Organised but wasteful. Thankfully.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

There was a moment in the first half where Brennan beats his man at full speed, head down, and whips it in. Past Son and out for a throw.

Hoddle says something along the lines of "he should get his head up, have an early look." On the face of it, not an earth shattering insight.

I agree with every word about Hoddle, but we've seen our players in traing told not to look, just cross it! It's all part of Ange's plan, don't blame the players. If anything it's Son's fault for not being in place for the cross.

 

[philll]

Would have exoected to see a bit of shithousery towards the end there to kill Roma’s momentum. We just aren’t streetwise at all. Far too nice.

He doesn't have time for any of that nonsense, mate, he just wants to play football, mate. All the times he's been asked about that sort of stuff and he dismisses it as if it's beneath him but other teams are going to do it so we just look silly.

 

[worcestersauce]

Thank goodness dybala went off. The second half was a let off. Spurs fine on the first.

Utterly chaotic performance second, no shape, no defensive nous. Really odd jeckyll and Hyde team this.

Roma were very good. Organised but wasteful. Thankfully.

Roma were wasteful?

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Worst thing about yesterday was that it was £60. A disgrace of a price for the level of opposition

I thought Roma were very good. Bit of new manager bounce about them but I didn't see a poor side. I agree about the pricing though. Bumping it up for certain games is a bit muggy. At least at this stage of the tournament.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

I agree with every word about Hoddle, but we've seen our players in traing told not to look, just cross it! It's all part of Ange's plan, don't blame the players. If anything it's Son's fault for not being in place for the cross.

I think that Matt Wells training clip was related to coaching the first time cross (Trippier for Alli vs Real Madrid), or the low cross for the back post (Werner of Brennan vs City).

Where exploiting pace as a tool as key.

This was a cross were you get to the byline and a low cross would be blocked or cut out. So needs to be whipped, dinked, or cut back to the edge of the area.

When going at that speed it's very difficult technically to look up. So knowing how to execute, literally on which step to not touch the ball and look up, is key to pulling it off.

Knowing that a dink to the back post will create a big chance, and probably a goal.

Matt Wells wouldn't be telling Kulu not to look up, as his skill set gives him different options and limitations.

I found Hoddle's point more interesting because his knowledge of how to execute has different implications on Brennan's ceiling as a player.

Jenas on comms might say the same thing but would have less idea of how to execute, and therefore his ceiling.

 

[mattspur1]

Three disallowed goals don't forget

Because they weren't legit goals.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Roma were wasteful?

I thought so in places. I know spurs missed quite a few chances also and could be described as wasteful.

I just don't think Roma are this terrible side. They were good. Mostly second half.

 

[mattspur1]

Maddison has been entirely ineffective since coming on. Wasted possession twice.

True, but I understand Anges thinking. We were wasting the ball in midfield too much and he wanted Madders to get hold of it and use it effectively. Didn't really work though.

 

[Mooger Fooger]

Personally, I think people are losing sight of context a little. We have quite a lot of injuries and we switched up the team quite a lot again last night. Yes, we were wasteful (so were Roma) and we didn't control the game well enough, but it was another point on the board with several more games to play.

I think we are doing fine.

 

[mattspur1]

There are different ways to be good at punditry.

He isn't verbose or entertaining. I wouldn't want to watch him do stand up. What he does have is authority.

There was a moment in the first half where Brennan beats his man at full speed, head down, and whips it in. Past Son and out for a throw.

Hoddle says something along the lines of "he should get his head up, have an early look." On the face of it, not an earth shattering insight.

If I'm heading that from Jenas or Gary Neville. Then of course they and I know wingers looking up before they cross it is a good thing. Neither of them could do it - certainly at that speed - and nor could I. But they know it's the right thing to say.

When Hoddle says it - he's observing something very specific. He knows exactly on which foot step he would look up. How to create time and space. How it would be executed, even at Brennan's foot speed.

It may sound like a general banal comment, but there's a very precise and deliberate intent to what he's observing.

If Messi made the same comment, it would also have the similar effect on the listener for younger generations now.

Hoddle is up there with any technical genius of the PL era. Modric, Berkgkamp, De Bruyne. In my view he's above them because of his two footedness, and the fact he was doing this on the mud heap pitches of the 80s.

The weighting of his passes off either foot was beyond anything I've seen of any player since.

Hoddle was master player. He does have a tendency to say things that I cringe at.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

He doesn't have time for any of that nonsense, mate, he just wants to play football, mate. All the times he's been asked about that sort of stuff and he dismisses it as if it's beneath him but other teams are going to do it so we just look silly.

There's a context to that that fairly recently, he's spoken about but taking notice of it? Fuck that. Right? When someone resorts to this 'mate' shit, it just betrays a determination to just have a dig, all the time. You've made your mind up and ain't nothing getting in the way of it.

Well done you.