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Match Prediction

  • Spurs Win - Clean Sheet

    Votes: 65 39.2%
  • Spurs Win - No Clean Sheet

    Votes: 68 41.0%
  • Spurs to Lose

    Votes: 8 4.8%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 19 11.4%
  • Goalless Draw

    Votes: 6 3.6%

  • Total voters
    166
  • Poll closed .

WiganSpur

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But it wasn't the "best part of a whole year" was it? We were in title race in January 2019. And in all four major competitions.

We fell apart in the league in February 2019 but beat Dortmund, City and Ajax in the Champions League.

We then started this season awkwardly with injuries to Lo Celso, Foyth, NDombele and we never sold Eriksen. And we didn't play Jan for reasons which have become all too painfully obvious. BUT we got points against City away, should have got a point aginast Liverpool away and held a two goal advantage against the Scum away. The POINT being we were SCORING however much we hated the fucking diamond.

It all fell apart completely when Lloris chucked it in his own net and fucked himself in the process against Brighton. We thought that was as bad as it could get. So we sacked Poch and hired Mourinho and we were PROMISED this would bring immediate results IF NOT SILVERWARE.

But now we see... what? Scraping a win against Norwich after our worst winter points haul since... I can't even remember? We can't defend, can't attack. What exactly has improved?


Yes, Mourinho has to be given time. But results AND performances have proven that Poch could also have been given time. We weren't sold "we will scrape a draw away to Norwich and scrape a scrappy win at home against Norwich", were we? We were told Poch was the reason this squad wasn't' performing. THAT'S what pisses people off.

I personally think the entire squad needs a major overhaul and am happy for Mourinho to do so. But while he plays Dier, Eriksen, Moura, Jan while leaving NDombele, Sanchez, Skipp and Parrot to rot on the bench or on the sidelines I think I'm allowed to be a little bit fucking worried.

Okay?
20 points from 12 matches as opposed to 14 in 12 under Poch. And that's with Kane missing the last two. Sure, might not be what we were expecting but extrapolate Poch's total over this last 12 and we are 14th with 28 points which is 5 from the drop and 12 from the top 4. Now you can come up with as much rubbish as you want about having a crystal ball to predict 'we were about to turn a corner' as most of the Poch obsessors i've come across tend to spout but however you want to dress it up he was clearly part of the problem along with the players. The upturn in points with the same group of players should tell you that. I hated to see it as I loved Poch but he just wasn't the same man any more. The situation with the players had affected him also.

I'd have hoped we'd have had 5 or 6 more points at this point under Mourinho, but you'd be an idiot to say there's been no mitigating factors with the scale of our injuries.

As for silverware, we're still in all competitions we mathematically have a chance to win - without Kane. Let's just see what we can do with a decent number 9 and a few players coming back.

Regardless of whether it was Pochettino's fault or not it doesn't fucking matter now because he's gone anyway.
 

Phomesy

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20 points from 12 matches as opposed to 14 in 12 under Poch. And that's with Kane missing the last two. Sure, might not be what we were expecting but extrapolate Poch's total over this last 12 and we are 14th with 28 points which is 5 from the drop and 12 from the top 4. Now you can come up with as much rubbish as you want about having a crystal ball to predict 'we were about to turn a corner' as most of the Poch obsessors i've come across tend to spout but however you want to dress it up he was clearly part of the problem along with the players. The upturn in points with the same group of players should tell you that. I hated to see it as I loved Poch but he just wasn't the same man any more. The situation with the players had affected him also.

I'd have hoped we'd have had 5 or 6 more points at this point under Mourinho, but you'd be an idiot to say there's been no mitigating factors with the scale of our injuries.

As for silverware, we're still in all competitions we mathematically have a chance to win - without Kane. Let's just see what we can do with a decent number 9 and a few players coming back.

Regardless of whether it was Pochettino's fault or not it doesn't fucking matter now because he's gone anyway.

This is a very angry post which can be boiled down to “I expected us to be playing better under Mourinho but we aren’t”

Which is basically what I said.

neither of us blame Mourinho but only one of us seems determined to shit on Poch despite all evidence pointing to the fact it was some players and overall squad balance that is/was the problem.

just be fucking honest mate. You didn’t expect us to be happy scraping a home win over Norwich having failed to beat them away were you? You thought we’d be better than this and we aren’t. Doesn’t mean the decisions made weren’t necessary or wrong - just that we never expected it to Be this bad.
 

WiganSpur

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This is a very angry post which can be boiled down to “I expected us to be playing better under Mourinho but we aren’t”

Which is basically what I said.

neither of us blame Mourinho but only one of us seems determined to shit on Poch despite all evidence pointing to the fact it was some players and overall squad balance that is/was the problem.

just be fucking honest mate. You didn’t expect us to be happy scraping a home win over Norwich having failed to beat them away were you? You thought we’d be better than this and we aren’t. Doesn’t mean the decisions made weren’t necessary or wrong - just that we never expected it to Be this bad.
I'm really not angry at all tbh if you have read some of my posts regarding some of our matches of late you'll see ones talking about us finally slowly but surely heading in the right direction.

I didn't say the problem wasn't the players. But that problem affected Poch also. He became miserable because he couldn't get the overhaul that he wanted, that was evident and it seemed he'd lost trust in Levy who obviously had a part to play in the situation. In some ways I sympathise but you've also got to be professional and get on with the job.

I've literally also just said I expected us to be better, but that I believe the decision was also the correct one. Both can be true at this point can't they? I think we are in a better place than we were in at the end under Poch, but we haven't hit the heights i'd maybe have expected us to. Even so, Jose has had to contend with some important injuries as i've said so i'm going to cut him some slack.

Even if you are right i'd rather be optimistic and wrong than miserable and right.
 

Phomesy

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I'm really not angry at all tbh if you have read some of my posts regarding some of our matches of late you'll see ones talking about us finally slowly but surely heading in the right direction.

I didn't say the problem wasn't the players. But that problem affected Poch also. He became miserable because he couldn't get the overhaul that he wanted, that was evident and it seemed he'd lost trust in Levy who obviously had a part to play in the situation. In some ways I sympathise but you've also got to be professional and get on with the job.

I've literally also just said I expected us to be better, but that I believe the decision was also the correct one. Both can be true at this point can't they? I think we are in a better place than we were in at the end under Poch, but we haven't hit the heights i'd maybe have expected us to. Even so, Jose has had to contend with some important injuries as i've said so i'm going to cut him some slack.

Even if you are right i'd rather be optimistic and wrong than miserable and right.

I don't think we are really that far apart in our opinions. It's just that I think it's fair to say, with hindsight, that Pochettino's last 8 months do not reflect nearly as badly on him as a manager as we thought.

The reality is that so far Mourinho has failed to get this squad to sing any better than Pochettino did.

We need to readjust expectations and reset for the future.

It's fair enough for Poch stans to point out we could have done this under him.

It's fair enough for Mourinho hopefuls to point out worrying signs that he's not readjusting.

As an optimist I think he will
 

Spurs 1961

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First of all it’s easy to forget that of the 12 league games under Poch this season we played away to Liverpool, Man City, Leicester, Arsenal and Everton which are amongst the toughest away fixtures we could have.

Anyway back to the latest game. I felt I saw some sort of shape to our play at last. The team seemed more compact playing much more together in groups. I have been very critical of the way the team often play as lone individuals but today there were signs of supporting one another with options. Sadly though the passing, decision making and composure were all way short of levels we would expect. I hope this will improve with some confidence. I hope to that goals from Son and Dele will see that hit form again. I expect Lo Celso now to go from strength to strength. Still bemused why our near centre back, Sanchez, is on the best but of course Mourinho plays the oldest players he can find as his default.

Anyway some hope that a pattern of play might emerge beyond using Alderweireld as our creative midfield ... sadly he is no Beckenbauer or even Baresi ... lumping balls up to the giant Moura. I feel sorry for Lucas being played so out of his best position as I feel sorry for Sess being played as a left back and wherever he has played not been given the freedom to run at the opposition
 

Dannyspur

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Left work at 3pm and got to the ground at 7:15 and have just got home. Scraped a win against the bottom of the league and if their shooting had been slightly better we would probably have lost. A few little green shoots of improvement - Lo celso in particular, but mostly a shower of shit. Dele will get plaudits for his goal and a hand in the other, but again gave the ball away so much with his stupid flicks and poor passing. Sonny is so off form it is like he is a completely different player. Lumping high balls at Moura (even though he gets up so well) isn't working. Lefty Lamela running in circles, Wayward passing from the whole team. Heart in mouth every time hugo had the ball. Joke defending leading up to the penalty, throwing away good positions with poor decisions. And don't get me started on the powder puff Dane!!!
 
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3 points is all that counts at the moment, not a great performance, maybe lucky at times they couldnt finish properly or clinical. Gio was a revalation, modric style control and dictating play for us, forward thing, very quick passing quick brain and looks to always go forward, find or makes space for himself, he was a shining light. If our passing in the final third and final ball passing were better we would actually create alot more chances in good positions for shooting and this has been the case last 3/4 games.
 
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First of all it’s easy to forget that of the 12 league games under Poch this season we played away to Liverpool, Man City, Leicester, Arsenal and Everton which are amongst the toughest away fixtures we could have.

Anyway back to the latest game. I felt I saw some sort of shape to our play at last. The team seemed more compact playing much more together in groups. I have been very critical of the way the team often play as lone individuals but today there were signs of supporting one another with options. Sadly though the passing, decision making and composure were all way short of levels we would expect. I hope this will improve with some confidence. I hope to that goals from Son and Dele will see that hit form again. I expect Lo Celso now to go from strength to strength. Still bemused why our near centre back, Sanchez, is on the best but of course Mourinho plays the oldest players he can find as his default.

Anyway some hope that a pattern of play might emerge beyond using Alderweireld as our creative midfield ... sadly he is no Beckenbauer or even Baresi ... lumping balls up to the giant Moura. I feel sorry for Lucas being played so out of his best position as I feel sorry for Sess being played as a left back and wherever he has played not been given the freedom to run at the opposition

I pretty much concur with you and the part in bold is bang on the nail, this has been the case for the last 3/4 games maybe even a few more, that element of quality has been severley lacking, if we could sort that out we would be far better off and the good tihng is its not becuase they dont have that quality they are just not showing it
 

shelfboy68

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If you lose the midfield you will lose the game normally. We sent strong enough there and we just lack ideas as running about chasing the game too much
I thought the team is a disorganised rabble we didn't have any control over the game especially second half when we could barely put two passes together, Norwich can consider themselves unlucky because we deserved nothing out of the game the players came out after half time in first gear and swanned around just not good enough.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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If I see another game go past with Sessegnon making runs and looking for one-twos and not getting them I am seriously going to lose my shit.

The kid is constantly looking to give and go, moving into open spaces down the left and it just seems like the ball completely evades him with Son/Dele looking to the middle or right for the next pass instead of looking for the pass back to Sessegnon. There is no point in having an attacking minded left back if we are not going to play to his strengths.
 

sebo_sek

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This is a very angry post which can be boiled down to “I expected us to be playing better under Mourinho but we aren’t”

Which is basically what I said.

neither of us blame Mourinho but only one of us seems determined to shit on Poch despite all evidence pointing to the fact it was some players and overall squad balance that is/was the problem.

just be fucking honest mate. You didn’t expect us to be happy scraping a home win over Norwich having failed to beat them away were you? You thought we’d be better than this and we aren’t. Doesn’t mean the decisions made weren’t necessary or wrong - just that we never expected it to Be this bad.
Isn't this the same norwich that beat Man City? Just asking.
 

dudu

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I don't blame Jose at all. Circumstances have left us with a team last night that just isn't good enough.

Put in a fully fit Kane, Ndombele, Davies, and a couple of smart additions and we are a much much better outfit.
 

sebo_sek

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yes but that was a Carrow road and at the start of season, since that win there form has been awful
What difference does it make? They have the potential to beat the champions. There are no easy games in the Prmier League. I thought we would have learned that by now.
 

jonnyrotten

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Lo Celso was excellent tonight, Aurier had a great game, Sess struggled and Moura was absolutely horrendous. I know he isn’t a striker but that doesn’t excuse the fact he couldn’t control the ball or even pass 2 yards. He needs to be given a “rest” from the first team and be used as an impact sub as that is the only thing he is good for.
Short term memory mate Lucas has been one of our best players since Kane got injured. Okay he had a bad one last night but so did a lot of our players, Son included.
 

Primativ

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Short term memory mate Lucas has been one of our best players since Kane got injured. Okay he had a bad one last night but so did a lot of our players, Son included.

Total rubbish. Moura is a big part of the problem. Nowhere near good enough. He contributes nothing.

Alli, Son and Moura are an utter brain dead forward line. Two of them simply have to go in the summer, or at least be removed from the starting line up. They continually break down attacks because they are so thick in possession.

If Mourinho doesn’t realise this and continues next season with Alli and Moura as part of his attack, his tenure will end in failure. He has to realise they are not good enough, be brave and change it. If he doesn’t, we are fucked.
 

Primativ

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I can’t stand watching thick footballers and our attack is full of them. Son should stay because when on form and he has been one of our best players and is direct and can score goals and have pace, but Alli and Moura Deary me.

with GLC, Gedson and Tanguy our midfield looks promising but our attack is in dire straits.
 

Danny1

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Short term memory mate Lucas has been one of our best players since Kane got injured. Okay he had a bad one last night but so did a lot of our players, Son included.

Definitely not short term memory. Personally think Lucas has been very poor for a long time now, can’t remember the last time I watched him and thought “you played well”.

Agree with your other point, most of the team played poorly and have for a long time also.
 

shelfmonkey

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See people are blaming Mourinho again. This place at times boggles the mind. I see posts like “atleast Poch did this, that etc”. Poch is gone, and for those who keep talking about him you must have forgotten how absolutely horrendous we were for the best part of a whole year under him. I love Poch for what he did but we were dreadful and he had to go.

Mourinho is here and we need to back him, he is getting our defence in order, 1 goal from open play in 3 matches (one against Liverpool) shows that we as a unit are getting stronger. Let’s give him time to make us a stronger unit and maybe, just maybe, give him a little slack now that our only fit striker (and one of the worlds best) is out for the entire fucking season.

Reminds me not to come to match day threads.

We didn't become crap because of Poch, we became crap crap because Levy wouldn't/couldn't get rid of certain players (only Levy knows why, but we have our suspicions) that Poch KNEW he needed out of the club and replaced with equal or better quality!! Levy's continuing refusal (seemingly) to back a manager on the cusp of great things is becoming boring and is a real detriment to the club!!!
 
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