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Match Prediction

  • Spurs to Win

    Votes: 216 93.5%
  • Spurs to Lose

    Votes: 6 2.6%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 8 3.5%
  • Goal-less Draw

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
    231
  • Poll closed .

mrlilywhite

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At this stage of the season nobody can say how Ndombele and Lo Celso can/will influence play. All we have seen are a few YouTube vids. At the moment it is blind optimism that these two record signings will transform us into a title winning side. After today I am less than optimistic - only because the rest of the team have to be better than crap to complement their perceived brilliance.
Title winning side? Not a chance they make us anywhere title challengers (noted you haven't said that ;)). Tbh I don't see this squad getting top four if we keep playing turgid football as we have for some time now. It gets to me how people harp on about "yeah we reached a CL final, so things can't be that bad". In all honesty, we have been crap for a while and I have a horrible feeling that things are not at all rosy behind the scenes. My prediction or opinion is that Poch goes this season end and we fail to make the top four. I just hope and pray that N'Dombele and Lo Celso become stars at this club, but being a spurs fan tempers my optimism somewhat.
 

UbeAstard

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May 31, 2005
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He was always shit but there was
Fucking embarrassing. Sanchez not good enough. I know we all say that he can become a great defender but now hes not good enough.

And why the hell are two of our best players on the bench?


Another Sebastien Bassong (potential lynch pin), or was Bassong better? If we bid 42mil for Van Dyke or Maguire 2 years ago we wouldn't have been far off getting them instead.
 

UbeAstard

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May 31, 2005
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That goal was weird. Still can't quite work out how there was a huge hole in our defence. Everyone looked like they were in position.

You're not in position if you're not aware of where your opponent is.
 
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bozzaSPUR

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Your not in position if your not aware of where your opponent is.
Rose was a long way from Sanchez and there was no need cos there was nobody else threatening Rose wide. In my humble opinion he should have been much closer to Sanchez anticipating exactly what happened.
 

belsunz

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May 19, 2007
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The truth is we're far too easy to defend against.

We don't move the ball with zip and are static with our movement.

So we can't break the lines anywhere enough for the poseession we have.
Spot on about the movement. Looking at City, sure they are top quality and on another level, but there is so much desire from their midfield and attackers to make that run and go in behind the defenders. We just don’t see that willingness from our players, whether it’s due to a technical guideline or lack of determination...

It’s slow, static and predictable.
 

UbeAstard

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When Sanchez arrived he played virtually the whole season and was just that: a rock. The reason why he's different now is simple. First he's playing on the left side when he's a right-sided centre back. Secondly, and crucially, during that first season he was alongside Vertonghen and now he is partnered by Alderweireld. Toby is a great defender, but that's all. Jan is also a leader. Sanchez, as a central defender in the early stage of his career at the top level, needs an experienced leader alongside him. If he gets that - if he partners Vertonghen, and if his confidence isn't shot by the time that happens - he'll be a rock again.

So you think if he plays on the right side his awareness of where his opponent is improves?
 

Dannyspur

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Aug 17, 2004
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Just got back from the match - what a shit show that was! I haven't read any of the previous posts so probably will repeat much of what has already been said.
We have absolutely no clue how to break down a bus parking side. All the painfully slow side to side and back again passing getting nowhere. We take 5 minutes to get from our penalty area to theirs and then try stupid little flicks to walk through 10 defenders. Two season ago Harry Kane would get the ball around the edge of the area, take a touch and plant the ball in the corner of the net, now it seems that he can only score when the ball is on a plate 6 yards out.
I understand the "make the opposition work for the ball and tire them out and hit them late on" but that doesn't work so well now that most teams are super fit. We looked jaded from the start - maybe we are doing too much training in the week and are knackered ourselves by the weekend.
And the goal today was a carbon copy of Villa's goal and West Ham and Everton goals last season - an attacker runs wide the defender goes with him leaving space behind for the through ball because the other defender doesn't come across to fill in.

Why won't anyone shoot from outside the box? We had numerous chances to test the keeper but just went sideways and when we get out wide, instead of crossing we pass back and sideways again and again.

Sorry if that was disjointed and all over the place, but it reflects what I saw today!
 

UbeAstard

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Spot on about the movement. Looking at City, sure they are top quality and on another level, but there is so much desire from their midfield and attackers to make that run and go in behind the defenders. We just don’t see that willingness from our players, whether it’s due to a technical guideline or lack of determination...

It’s slow, static and predictable.

I've seen runs which have been ignored (the space is still congested where they're running to). I imagine you're not going to keep running in these situations as it's a waste of energy if no one can see or direct a useful ball.
 

belsunz

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Bag on him all you want, but Sissoko put more quality crosses into the box in the 10 minutes he was playing at RB than KWP did the whole rest of the game.
Trippier looked scared out there, but KWP did too today. Zero attacking threat/intent. Had a decent start of the season, but today’s performance worries me for the future.
 

waresy

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Mar 22, 2004
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Just got back from the match - what a shit show that was! I haven't read any of the previous posts so probably will repeat much of what has already been said.
We have absolutely no clue how to break down a bus parking side. All the painfully slow side to side and back again passing getting nowhere. We take 5 minutes to get from our penalty area to theirs and then try stupid little flicks to walk through 10 defenders. Two season ago Harry Kane would get the ball around the edge of the area, take a touch and plant the ball in the corner of the net, now it seems that he can only score when the ball is on a plate 6 yards out.
I understand the "make the opposition work for the ball and tire them out and hit them late on" but that doesn't work so well now that most teams are super fit. We looked jaded from the start - maybe we are doing too much training in the week and are knackered ourselves by the weekend.
And the goal today was a carbon copy of Villa's goal and West Ham and Everton goals last season - an attacker runs wide the defender goes with him leaving space behind for the through ball because the other defender doesn't come across to fill in.

Why won't anyone shoot from outside the box? We had numerous chances to test the keeper but just went sideways and when we get out wide, instead of crossing we pass back and sideways again and again.

Sorry if that was disjointed and all over the place, but it reflects what I saw today!

I think you summed up pretty well what those of us watching at home saw on the TV too
 

guiltyparty

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Sep 21, 2005
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Well bad game to judge it on maybe but atmosphere at the new place leaves a lot to be desired.

Was incredible in the Goal Line bar before kick off, song sung for every player with gusto, reached peak “oh my god this is amazing” as everyone went nuts watching the Ashes win before heading up the stairs, then... erm

Know there’s been so posts about it but we really don’t sing any songs. It’s embarassing. “Super Tottenham” and “yid army” that’s about it. Our ground can look as nice as you want but we don’t even remotely fill it, it was silence most of the game

Very disappointed all round
 

Cochise

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4231 requires a traditional DM like Dier

Fair enough, although we did a season with Mason and Bentaleb in there and neither met the traditional DM role. Aside from that though, we had two wingers holding wide with only Lamela really floating.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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Going from watching City earlier on to watching Spurs is really quite depressing. I noticed that we take an age to decide what we want to do with the ball, players taking 4/5 touches of the ball before passing it is just generally shit as opposed to City who normally take 1 touch before they pass the ball.

We don't have any clever movement whatsoever, seemed like we've turned into a team who rely on individual magic or play on the counter.

I don't know what it's gonna take to improve our attacking play but we need to fix it fast!
 

Joeyboey

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Aug 31, 2011
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High pressing 4-2-3-1 worked then Poch thought it would be a good idea to reinvent the wheel.

Literally what the hell has happened the the Spurs press. We’ve stopped being nasty to play against. Quite the opposite.
 

JAYSTAR

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Aug 25, 2012
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Conclusions:
Poch has not worked out that we need to implement the man city and Liverpool style of attack when faced with a bank of five and four.... Which is: run at the players and beat the man or get brought down for a free kick or penalty!!!

Instead we pass sideways, hoping to give Son or Kane or Moura an extra metre to push the ball and shoot... Or we send it wide to one of our not so great crossers of the ball and generally pick out one of the opposition's three CBs. Great tactic, works every time.

It's Sissoko or Winks, not both. I'd choose Sissoko as he tracks back and covers the gaps.

Sanchez is a complete liability. He ball watches and never tracks the main attackers. His defending is really poor. So slow to react and not willing to take responsibility. Today he waved and signalled that Rose should pick up Joelinton... Their no 9, while he filled a gap and marked no-one! Poch could easily fix this, but hasn't yet.

Lamela cannot play against packed defences. Too slow to make a decision and needs space to play through balls, so is effectively useless against teams who park the bus.

Lo Celso wide right is complete nonsense. What was the point of that. In the middle or leave him on the bench pls Poch, don't destroy his confidence out wide for no reason.

Playing the ball wide to cross it into the box rarely if ever works. The sooner we rediscover the interplay that Alli and Kane found, with our current players, the better.

Also, we desperately need Tanguy already to play every important game!
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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Just watching the game now.

That goal is an embarrassment. Absolutely zero pressure on any Newcastle player at any point.

I remember when we'd be aggressive with the opposition if they came within 40 yards of our goal.

I can understand the creativity issues at a push as there are some creative players out/Eriksen situation. But what I refuse to accept is a team not implementing the intensity off the ball. We should at the very least be able to do that.
 

Mark_147

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Aug 24, 2011
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So you think if he plays on the right side his awareness of where his opponent is improves?
We've been shipping goals and losing games since January this year, and the majority of those games were with Toby and Jan at CB. 11 defeats in 21 in all competitions and 4 wins in 15 in the Premier league. This is a problem with the tactics and the stats back it up.
 

ajspurs

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Jul 7, 2007
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Trippier looked scared out there, but KWP did too today. Zero attacking threat/intent. Had a decent start of the season, but today’s performance worries me for the future.

Well this is what I said in his respective thread, but I don't even think it's KWP's fault to be honest. I honestly don't know what people were expecting. He's a player who to me had always looked like he could perform well at times, but still had a lot of developing to do.
 
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