Match Threads Spurs vs Newcastle - Match Thread - Day 3

[Shadydan]

We controlled the game totally in the first half. Our lack of finishing cost us the game so a mistake, out of the blue shot or referee arrow was always a possibility. That is why we need to kill games off when ahead but we don’t. There is still too much of the safety first approach when we are in control.
I was at the Palace game last season and we stormed them for thirty minutes and killed the game off. Of course we could not continue that plus they improved but we took the game away from them when in top. We very rarely do this and seem to give opposition teams way too much respect. It’s the Italian football, the defensive minded coach mentality, the JM way; it’s unlikely to change

He made 3 attacking subs in the 2nd half, we didn't sit on the lead - it's called game management. If he chose to sit he would have bought on an extra defenders or mae a defensive substitution. Stop falling into this nonsense just because its Jose.

 

[Riandor]

They had 1 shot on target, one, and that was the joke of a penalty they scored with.

Yep clearly deserved to draw the game.

I agree Trix, however...

When you only lead by 1 goal there is always a chance of something stupid happening. Now had it been a close match, maaaaaybe we would still have been annoyed but probably swallow it due to the tightness of the game.

But to dominate an opposition and not kill the game off, that puts some of the blame back on us ( in terms of securing the result). Mourinho will be happy with the performance, but probably annoyed with our finishing, because shit decisions have always happened in the EPL and whilst I do not excuse them, as a football coach myself I very much stress to my players to not give the ref a chance to mess up their hard work!

That said, it’s an awful rule.

 

[Trix]

I agree Trix, however...

When you only lead by 1 goal there is always a chance of something stupid happening. Now had it been a close match, maaaaaybe we would still have been annoyed but probably swallow it due to the tightness of the game.

But to dominate an opposition and not kill the game off, that puts some of the blame back on us ( in terms of securing the result). Mourinho will be happy with the performance, but probably annoyed with our finishing, because shit decisions have always happened in the EPL and whilst I do not excuse them, as a football coach myself I very much stress to my players to not give the ref a chance to mess up their hard work!

That said, it’s an awful rule.

Nah not for me. 1-0 is a winning score line. We were fucked over by the system not the other team. We 100% in no way shape or form 'deserved' to draw that game.

 

[sebo_sek]

Whilst I'm still livid about the injustice, I want to take a step back and give some credit to the players. After months of being fairly indifferent to watching turgid football, this game was actually a really decent performance. Sure we weren't clinical, but we created loads of chances and looked energetic, passionate and dominant. Sadly there's nothing in our control about being robbed of the result, so I want to find consolation in the positives of the display. If we continue to play like that we will win plenty of games this season

Also, this lesson might and should lead to the conculson that they simply must bang in as many as possible so as to prevent such robberies in the future. Had the post shot gone in, had Lo Celso played Son instead of having a go himself, the penaly would have been irrlevant.

 

[Shadydan]

MOTD highlighted the fact that we've been practicing defending with our arms behind our back and showed 3 or 4 different occasions where we'd square up to the attacking players in the box with our hands firmly places out of range. Good to see we are being coached to adapt to the rules but it's still ridiculous that we have to do it because it's impossible to defend like that and all it takes is an attacking player to run around the defender when he has the ball because the defender will be off balance.

 

[Riandor]

Nah not for me. 1-0 is a winning score line. We were fucked over by the system not the other team. We 100% in no way shape or form 'deserved' to draw that game.

No we didn’t deserve it, but if you don’t kill a game shit can happen. It’s undeserved, no question, but we had it vs Southampton and yeah we kinda moaned at the decision but we were 5-1 up, so it gets buried under the noise of a good performance and ruthless finishing. It most definitely was utter tripe of a decision then too.

The law is utter trash, but we did have it in our hands, like vs Southampton, to make it a non event. This time it bit hard.

i just hope this creates more noise so that the law gets looked at, but I don’t see them changing it until the end of the season at best.

 

[Shadydan]

Posting here because the Winks thread is bazarely in the transfer section for some reason:

 

[punky]

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Here is the actual Laws of the Game: https://www.theifab.com/laws/chapter/32/section/92/

What you just quoted is not in the text of the laws of the game.

Well, the BBC is wrong then, I directly quoted them.

'We have lost the plot with handball'

Football has "lost the plot" with the new handball ruling and decisions made by officials are causing matches to "lose the spectacle", says Steve Bruce.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[easley91]

Posting here because the Winks thread is bazarely in the transfer section for some reason:

Unfortunately nobody will recognise when he has a solid game. He did well yesterday I thought (along with everyone else).

 

[Trix]

MOTD highlighted the fact that we've been practicing defending with our arms behind our back and showed 3 or 4 different occasions where we'd square up to the attacking players in the box with our hands firmly places out of range. Good to see we are being coached to adapt to the rules but it's still ridiculous that we have to do it because it's impossible to defend like that and all it takes is an attacking player to run around the defender when he has the ball because the defender will be off balance.

The thing that annoys me is as an attacker you will always jump with your hands assisting you, because the worst that will happen is you'll give away a freekick miles from your own goal. If defenders have to start jumping restricted, they will lose the vast majority of ariel duels. It's totally rediculous.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I have coached kids for a while - one of the things is when defending was to try to make yourself big - now we are going to have kids watching football who will now put their hands behind their backs. A couple of things maybe thats the game 'evolving' but what are we are going to say to a parent when little Johnny takes one full on the face and is hurt because he is not able to protect himself because we have told him to put his hand behind his back (which I won't do) but more likely because he has seen it on the football

Quite often the referees we have are young lads not experienced and most of them have ambitions to be high up referees and they are bereft of common sense because they are afraid they are going to be assessed - it really makes you think is it worth the agg

 

[luRRka]

I'll be honest mate I was so angry from the game I just saw it on twitter and shared, I didn't fact check it.

It's from the BT sport website explaining the new handball laws. But I don't know where they got that from if it's not in the ifab rules. Though it should apply and we would have less stupid penalties

 

[ralphs bald spot]

The thing that annoys me is as an attacker you will always jump with your hands assisting you, because the worst that will happen is you'll give away a freekick miles from your own goal. If defenders have to start jumping restricted, they will lose the vast majority of ariel duels. It's totally rediculous.

The thing you will have to set your line outside of your area when you can - it will leave a giant gap and the keeper will have to be off his line but I think thats what Mourinho might have been refererring to when talking about two boxes

 

[elfy]

As soon as I saw the talkshite video where they said the technical director if IFAB is David Elleray everything made a bit more sense. Utter bollocks.

 

[al_pacino]

The thing that annoys me is as an attacker you will always jump with your hands assisting you, because the worst that will happen is you'll give away a freekick miles from your own goal. If defenders have to start jumping restricted, they will lose the vast majority of ariel duels. It's totally rediculous.

Luckily I dont have to work it out but under the current rules teams are going to have to look at other ways of defending. Challenging someone like Andy Carroll, who wins nearly all of his headers, might become pointless. Is the answer dont challenge him and at all and clear the knock down(yesterdays situation) or have the keeper come for everything(anything else nearer the goal).

 

[peterballb]

IMO, the only question should be, "is this consistent with the spirit/intent of the rule/law". Cannot see how the handball rule, or offsides by a mm as being in the spirit/intent of the law. If it is to be video officiating, it should all be black and white.

In the end, we should have been more urgent/clinical. We weren't. Does not change that the foul that was not a foul was what this all revolved around. And that is not reviewable. Absent the foul, we are not discussing offside and handball.

Chelsea Tuesday. Haifa Thursday. Win both and the cup runs continue.

 

[1882andallthat]

I know it's no consolation but I've just been on the Kumb website and even an overwhelming majority of the Spammers were against the decision to award that penalty. They were saying this hours before the Wolves game, so even at that time they would have been in no mood to feel charitable.

As one of them succinctly put it - if even they are coming out and saying it was outrageous and unfair on us and there were plenty of them who said this "then something has seriously got to be wrong with this rule ! " Equally my sister's partner who is a gooner came out and said we were much the better side and were robbed in the extreme by a ridiculous decision.

Even Bruce was embarrassed in coming out and saying it was a ridiculous decision. The thing is nothing can be done before March next year.

I know it's very far fetched, but the only direct action that could be taken to put a stop to this would involve all Premier League clubs acting in unison by either agreeing that they would deliberately miss the penalty they were harshly awarded or they deliberately agreed to let the other side go up the other end to score, but frankly there's no way that's going to happen.

 

[Trix]

I don't think it would take too much to make this work.

VAR continues as is. If it picks up a potential handball, then the ref looks at it. All he needs to decide is is there intent or could he have avoided the handball(shots from range) if no intent/time to react then no pen.

It's not difficult surely, and at least common sense comes back into the game.

 

[hughy]

Unfortunately nobody will recognise when he has a solid game. He did well yesterday I thought (along with everyone else).

I've criticised him a lot recently, and I'll openly admit he was much better yesterday. I'm not sure if that was all down to him or the fact that Newcastle didn't have a central midfield, but either way it's a step in the right direction if he wants to get anywhere near the starting 11 when everyone is match fit.

 

[cjsimba]

I’m still raging