Match Threads Spurs vs Newcastle - Match Thread - Day 3

[taidgh]

Well it wasn't just him mate. Also who was in Stockley Park...

As has been said loads of times, it's the Laws of the Game, not the referees. Referees are asked/told to follow the Laws, however terrible they might be. Referees (and VAR officials) cannot just chose not to apply the Law just because it doesn't make sense. Do that, and they're out of a job. For all we know, the referees might even agree the handball interpretation is ridiculous. If you want to have a go at someone, chose IFAB.

 

[Cavehillspur]

Still absolutely fucking seething. Premier league is corrupt as fuck.

 

[Cavehillspur]

Why doesn't VAR check Lacelles handball after the penalty? I can't stop thinking about it. What causes them to not review it? Had it been reviewed if our players had surronded the ref?

Fucking infuriating, was watching with my son and we were looking at each other saying are they reviewing it as it looked a clear handball. Funny enough sky didn't even bother showing a replay of it until after Newcastle scored their penalty, very fucking odd.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

As has been said loads of times, it's the Laws of the Game, not the referees. Referees are asked/told to follow the Laws, however terrible they might be. Referees (and VAR officials) cannot just chose not to apply the Law just because it doesn't make sense. Do that, and they're out of a job. For all we know, the referees might even agree the handball interpretation is ridiculous. If you want to have a go at someone, chose IFAB.

Is it in the laws of the game that if a defending player receives a Chuck Liddell superman punch from an opposition attacker, a free kick must be awarded against him?

 

[OPModric]

Fucking infuriating, was watching with my son and we were looking at each other saying are they reviewing it as it looked a clear handball. Funny enough sky didn't even bother showing a replay of it until after Newcastle scored their penalty, very fucking odd.

Yes, comes to a point were the randomness and incompetence is so extreme you start to wonder why.

 

[taidgh]

Not having a go at anyone in particular, but anyone who thinks there's some sort of conspiracy for top clubs is delusional. Do people really think referees/VAR are instructed to look for opportunities to fuck over smaller teams (and us )? Or even if it was an internal policy? If there was one shred of evidence, just one tiny iota, (recording/screenshot/etc.) that showed that to be true, the Premier League would be ripped to shreds in court and ultimately owe millions (billions?) of pounds.

I'm just as seething as the rest of our fans, but instead of looking for some shadowy plot to keep Spurs from winning, perhaps chalk it up to an inexperienced referee guessing a foul has been committed (something that happens in every game, by the way) and a terrible Law drafted by referees (i.e. not players or managers) that has been voted in by heads of leagues around the world.

 

[taidgh]

Is it in the laws of the game that if a defending player receives a Chuck Liddell superman punch from an opposition attacker, a free kick must be awarded against him?

Yep, think that's in there somewhere. Will go check now....

 

[panoma]

What a joke var has become...

Yup I barely celebrate any goal nowadays cause you know there might be a toe offside in the build up and VAR will step in.

Use VAR for red cards, cheating and check for CLEAR offsides that you can spot with your eye ffs!

Such a good tool and it's sucking the life out of the game instead.

 

[Mr Pink]

As has been said loads of times, it's the Laws of the Game, not the referees. Referees are asked/told to follow the Laws, however terrible they might be. Referees (and VAR officials) cannot just chose not to apply the Law just because it doesn't make sense. Do that, and they're out of a job. For all we know, the referees might even agree the handball interpretation is ridiculous. If you want to have a go at someone, chose IFAB.

The ref didn't have to give the free kick in the first place, that's just incompetence, nothing to do with the laws etc.

 

[taidgh]

The ref didn't have to give the free kick in the first place, that's just incompetence, nothing to do with the laws etc.

Agreed. He wasn't even watching. Followed the ball and probably heard a shout then saw Wilson (?) on the ground and gave the foul. Unfortunate that we had a new(ish) ref, in my opinion.

 

[Gspurs11]

Still really bummed out by today. Feels like a gut punch, considering the way it came about.

 

[Mr Pink]

Agreed. He wasn't even watching. Followed the ball and probably heard a shout then saw Wilson (?) on the ground and gave the foul. Unfortunate that we had a new(ish) ref, in my opinion.

Joelinton - who absolutely threw himself l, like a missile at PEH.

Can't believe Sky didn't analyse that, bizarre.

 

[soflapaul]

As has been said loads of times, it's the Laws of the Game, not the referees. Referees are asked/told to follow the Laws, however terrible they might be. Referees (and VAR officials) cannot just chose not to apply the Law just because it doesn't make sense. Do that, and they're out of a job. For all we know, the referees might even agree the handball interpretation is ridiculous. If you want to have a go at someone, chose IFAB.

It's a combination of factors but to exclude the referees as having partial responsibility in this fiasco is avoiding reality. The clearest error was on the original foul on Hojbjerg as i understand but was not reviewable. The offsides is marginal but arguable iehter way and i would have thought given the margins used in previous decisions was offside. Equally problematic is Lascelles positioning behind Dier as it looks as if, but is far from certain, that his lower body nudges Dier forward. The second clearest error was the multiple reviewable offenses by NC for handball in their own box which were not reviewed. Yes, the referees have to enforce shite laws but they also need to show competence when you consider what is at stake.

 

[Hawk_Spur]

Just woke up. Still fuming.

Apart from the lack of finishing, we played very well. Perfectly managed game, considering we have three further games in a week, until the officials got involved.

4/9 points isn’t an ideal start. Must win against United.

 

[Hazelton]

Still sick about this. I'll never watch the highlights of this game or the VAR footage again.

 

[taidgh]

Joelinton - who absolutely threw himself l, like a missile at PEH.

Can't believe Sky didn't analyse that, bizarre.

Not saying Sky doesn't have an agenda. They definitely have reason to appeal to fans of big clubs.

But VAR cannot review regular foul/no foul. Only in cases of pen/no pen, red/no red (so cannot award yellows retrospectively), mistaken identity. The Joelington foul/dive could not be overturned. Again, blame IFAB.

 

[Mr Pink]

Not saying Sky doesn't have an agenda. They definitely have reason to appeal to fans of big clubs.

But VAR cannot review regular foul/no foul. Only in cases of pen/no pen, red/no red (so cannot award yellows retrospectively), mistaken identity. The Joelington foul/dive could not be overturned. Again, blame IFAB.

Yeah I know it can't be overturned. It shouldn't of needed to be.

I'm blaming the ref for making an appalling decision in the first place.

But Sky didn't even look at it, as a crucial factor lol.

 

[taidgh]

It's a combination of factors but to exclude the referees as having partial responsibility in this fiasco is avoiding reality. The clearest error was on the original foul on Hojbjerg as i understand but was not reviewable. The offsides is marginal but arguable iehter way and i would have thought given the margins used in previous decisions was offside. Equally problematic is Lascelles positioning behind Dier as it looks as if, but is far from certain, that his lower body nudges Dier forward. The second clearest error was the multiple reviewable offenses by NC for handball in their own box which were not reviewed. Yes, the referees have to enforce shite laws but they also need to show competence when you consider what is at stake.

I'll respond to the bolded parts of your post.

1st. Agreed. Bad refereeing. I've said so previously.
2nd. Agreed. Poor decision.
3rd. That's just not enough of a push to be a foul. Anyone saying this slight push was enough for a foul is only seeing this incident from a Spurs perspective. Worse pushes and other fouls happen 50 times a game and are not whistled (nor would we expect them to be). Thinking this nudge should be a foul is completely fanciful.
4th. We don't know that these weren't reviewed. From the clips I've seen, I don't think the hands were far enough away from the body. See the non-pen against Calvert-Lewin yesterday for reference.

All in all, we've been extremely hard done by, but to place the main blame on the ref and not on the law itself is wrong, in my opinion.

 

[punky]

As has been said loads of times, it's the Laws of the Game, not the referees. Referees are asked/told to follow the Laws, however terrible they might be. Referees (and VAR officials) cannot just chose not to apply the Law just because it doesn't make sense. Do that, and they're out of a job. For all we know, the referees might even agree the handball interpretation is ridiculous. If you want to have a go at someone, chose IFAB.

No. As been said many times. from the rules:

• The player clearly leans into the path of the ball.
• The ball travels some distance.
• The ball touches a hand/arm that is clearly raised above the shoulder.

Dier was moving away from the ball.
The ball travelled about 3 feet
Dier's arm was below shoulder height.

The referee could have overruled it. He didn't. He believed all the above was true. He was wrong.

 

[taidgh]

No. As been said many times. from the rules:



Dier was moving away from the ball.
The ball travelled about 3 feet
Dier's arm was below shoulder height.

The referee could have overruled it. He didn't. He believed all the above was true. He was wrong.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Here is the actual Laws of the Game: https://www.theifab.com/laws/chapter/32/section/92/

What you just quoted is not in the text of the laws of the game.