Match Threads Spurs vs Newcastle - Match Thread - Day 3

[13VanDerBale13]

Feels like it will take some beating this season to have a worse sucker punch then today & that’s including the Son injury.

The true definition of smash & grab with total injustice in both the free kick & the subsequent penalty.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Yep, he was clearly on. So many people don't get this and think it's offside becuse the other guys head was 'offside' when it has nothing to do withthe other guy

Some of us get that he was technically onside, but think it's ridiculous that the very part of the body he was try to attack the ball with (his head) doesn't count. As with the current handball rule, it doesn't make sense.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I am sorry in the second half we did not press home the advantage. We took our foot off the gas and were always vulnerable to a the odd attack late on. Newcastle are an awful side they should have been thrashed..

So we deserve to drop 2 points because we were only good enough to win 1-0 instead of thrashing them?

You should go away and look at how many times every PL title winning team has dominated a game but only won by a 1 goal margin. By your logic, they deserved to have 2 points deducted on each occasion and therefore didn't deserve their league trophies. Or is it only Spurs who your logic applies to?

As I've already said, if we'd made a mistake to let Newcastle back into the game, your accusations of us not making the most of our possession and chances would be fair. That didn't happen though...a stupid rule that makes no sense ruined the game and even Newcastle's manager thought it was a disgrace.

 

[TonyK]

After our defeat to Everton, we got Bale and Reg in. Surely Levy can see what is still missing in our squad, especially now with Sonny having a hammy injury. A quality CB and a backup for Harry and we are in business. If we can go the extra mile to get Skriniar in then I’d be very happy for a Troy Deeney stop-gap type of striker before going balls out on a worldly next summer. COYS!!!

 

[Amo]

For real, though. Why did we play so well with such intensity. It's not merely the lineup, these players have played before. What changed?

 

[taidgh]

For real, though. Why did we play so well with such intensity. It's not merely the lineup, these players have played before. What changed?

I like to think that we're starting to gel: fitness and player availability aligning.

 

[mdharris]

That was a really promising performance. Despite the disappointing ending and inability to finish the game, we looked hungry, creative , we pressed very well. We made Newcastle look very poor.

 

[Rusta81]

Looks level to me.

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Surely the free kick that led to the penalty goal scoring opportunity should be checked to see if bit was actually a free kick. ?

 

[Serpico]

Surely the free kick that led to the penalty goal scoring opportunity should be checked to see if bit was actually a free kick. ?

They had a man off side- the Spurs back line ran forward to play offside. A New Utd player a few bodies down was clearly offside (head and hand). This was ignored-the ref shouldn't have had the opportunity to view hand ball once the moment has gone and VAR couldn't decide. VAR should have called the off side.

 

[peterballb]

Not having a go at anyone in particular, but anyone who thinks there's some sort of conspiracy for top clubs is delusional. Do people really think referees/VAR are instructed to look for opportunities to fuck over smaller teams (and us )? Or even if it was an internal policy? If there was one shred of evidence, just one tiny iota, (recording/screenshot/etc.) that showed that to be true, the Premier League would be ripped to shreds in court and ultimately owe millions (billions?) of pounds.

I'm just as seething as the rest of our fans, but instead of looking for some shadowy plot to keep Spurs from winning, perhaps chalk it up to an inexperienced referee guessing a foul has been committed (something that happens in every game, by the way) and a terrible Law drafted by referees (i.e. not players or managers) that has been voted in by heads of leagues around the world.

OK, I'll play. First off, there is no saying, play until Tottenham wins. Second, please tell me the last time Chelsea, Arsenal, United, City, Liverpool had zero (that's right- zero) penalties in a season? I can tell you when last it was for Spurs. And we did not have zero penalties against. Only 6 teams have matched that feat (none of the other top clubs). But United have twice had zero penalties against and Arsenal once. That's it. In the PL era, Spurs average 3.5 penalties for, and 3.5 penalties against. United is 4.6 for and 2.3 against. That is statistically significant. Last year United had 14 penalties (to our 3). The year prior, 12 (to our 4). That's the difference between CL and not.

The big teams have always benefitted from preferential treatment. I'd be more than happy to say we now receive a better shake than some. We do. But we're no longer competing for position with bottom half teams. The competition is with the others in the top half. Not suggesting it should be so. The calls should be black and white. That's not what I see. Interpretation seems to bite us in the butt.

What did Dean say to Pochettino? I have never had issue with how Levy does things. Fully get it and appreciate what he does. Were I in his shoes, I'd have said publicly exactly what Dean said. Poch and his assistant did not turn on a dime and go at him because he said good game. I'd have stated it loud and clear and accepted whatever fines came my way. We are not perceived the same. Guess who the fourth official was today? City and Chelsea do not only benefit from FFPR not counting, but they also get preferential treatment. Far too much evidence to suggest there is nothing there. Does anyone believe if we spent beyond the rules, or recruited illegally, that we would not suffer FFPR consequences? City, a Monopoly money team has twice been fined. Monopoly money to pay it off. Utter joke.

This is not sour grapes. There is a lot to suggest certain teams benefit from "their stature". United had (as at the end of last year) 5 more beneficial VAR calls than any of Leicester, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Liverpool. Not 1 or 2 - 5 more than any of their competitors. That's in a 38 game schedule. It continues this season. Statistically significant.

Today, we should have buried Newcastle. We didn't and it cost us. Counting on officiating to help us is a waste. Bury teams and assume we also need to make it so officials decisions are inconsequential. That is the only way forward.

 

[taidgh]

OK, I'll play. First off, there is no saying, play until Tottenham wins. Second, please tell me the last time Chelsea, Arsenal, United, City, Liverpool had zero (that's right- zero) penalties in a season? I can tell you when last it was for Spurs. And we did not have zero penalties against. Only 6 teams have matched that feat (none of the other top clubs). But United have twice had zero penalties against and Arsenal once. That's it. In the PL era, Spurs average 3.5 penalties for, and 3.5 penalties against. United is 4.6 for and 2.3 against. That is statistically significant. Last year United had 14 penalties (to our 3). The year prior, 12 (to our 4). That's the difference between CL and not.

The big teams have always benefitted from preferential treatment. I'd be more than happy to say we now receive a better shake than some. We do. But we're no longer competing for position with bottom half teams. The competition is with the others in the top half. Not suggesting it should be so. The calls should be black and white. That's not what I see. Interpretation seems to bite us in the butt.

What did Dean say to Pochettino? I have never had issue with how Levy does things. Fully get it and appreciate what he does. Were I in his shoes, I'd have said publicly exactly what Dean said. Poch and his assistant did not turn on a dime and go at him because he said good game. I'd have stated it loud and clear and accepted whatever fines came my way. We are not perceived the same. Guess who the fourth official was today? City and Chelsea do not only benefit from FFPR not counting, but they also get preferential treatment. Far too much evidence to suggest there is nothing there. Does anyone believe if we spent beyond the rules, or recruited illegally, that we would not suffer FFPR consequences? City, a Monopoly money team has twice been fined. Monopoly money to pay it off. Utter joke.

This is not sour grapes. There is a lot to suggest certain teams benefit from "their stature". United had (as at the end of last year) 5 more beneficial VAR calls than any of Leicester, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Liverpool. Not 1 or 2 - 5 more than any of their competitors. That's in a 38 game schedule. It continues this season. Statistically significant.

Today, we should have buried Newcastle. We didn't and it cost us. Counting on officiating to help us is a waste. Bury teams and assume we also need to make it so officials decisions are inconsequential. That is the only way forward.

This might be a bit cheap, but as you don't want to talk verifiable facts, I'll just put this here to show I'm with you!

 

[peterballb]

Football is, by and large, a one goal game. The margins are small. 1 point can mean 4th or 5th, or 6th or 7th. That's why individual officiating decisions are so instrumental. By the same token, one poor pass, or rash decision does the same. It just should never be the officiating that is pointed to at the end of a game. Love to be able to balme Hojbjerg, but it wasn't a foul. Love to blame Dier, but there was nothing he could have done about it. We don't control the officiating. Officials should be accountable.

 

[peterballb]

This might be a bit cheap, but as you don't want to talk verifiable facts, I'll just put this here to show I'm with you!

All verifiable. You are welcome to check. Facts are that. Facts. Lovely top hats aside.

 

[taidgh]

All verifiable. You are welcome to check. Facts are that. Facts. Lovely top hats aside.

Be so kind to point me to those facts? Ta!

 

[Wizzy77]

As has been said loads of times, it's the Laws of the Game, not the referees. Referees are asked/told to follow the Laws, however terrible they might be. Referees (and VAR officials) cannot just chose not to apply the Law just because it doesn't make sense. Do that, and they're out of a job. For all we know, the referees might even agree the handball interpretation is ridiculous. If you want to have a go at someone, chose IFAB.

Though i agree IFAB must bear most of the brunt, i have seen enough matches to know that quite a few matches for the officials to highlight and check one team incidents, while blatantly closes one eye on the other.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Not having a go at anyone in particular, but anyone who thinks there's some sort of conspiracy for top clubs is delusional. Do people really think referees/VAR are instructed to look for opportunities to fuck over smaller teams (and us )? Or even if it was an internal policy? If there was one shred of evidence, just one tiny iota, (recording/screenshot/etc.) that showed that to be true, the Premier League would be ripped to shreds in court and ultimately owe millions (billions?) of pounds.

I'm just as seething as the rest of our fans, but instead of looking for some shadowy plot to keep Spurs from winning, perhaps chalk it up to an inexperienced referee guessing a foul has been committed (something that happens in every game, by the way) and a terrible Law drafted by referees (i.e. not players or managers) that has been voted in by heads of leagues around the world.

He got it wrong three times in the space of two on field footballing minutes. The fact you're excusing those in charge on and off the field is totally laughable.

 

[allatsea]

We got the result we deserved by failing to kill the game off well before the last few minutes of the game. Despite the nonsense of the penalty decision there was much to be encouraged about with both the new comers, Doherty and Hojbjerg, starting to fit in nicely. Not sure how the opposition will be able to cope when we can field a fit Son and Bale alongside Kane.

Lo Celso looks as if he isn’t yet match fit also and needs some more work on the fitness.

 

[Spurs 1961]

That was a really promising performance. Despite the disappointing ending and inability to finish the game, we looked hungry, creative , we pressed very well. We made Newcastle look very poor.

We controlled the game totally in the first half. Our lack of finishing cost us the game so a mistake, out of the blue shot or referee arrow was always a possibility. That is why we need to kill games off when ahead but we don’t. There is still too much of the safety first approach when we are in control.
I was at the Palace game last season and we stormed them for thirty minutes and killed the game off. Of course we could not continue that plus they improved but we took the game away from them when in top. We very rarely do this and seem to give opposition teams way too much respect. It’s the Italian football, the defensive minded coach mentality, the JM way; it’s unlikely to change

 

[Gilzeanking]

Lo Celso looks as if he isn’t yet match fit also and needs some more work on the fitness.

He's not back to where he was at his peak last season for sure .

 

[Trix]

I am sorry in the second half we did not press home the advantage. We took our foot off the gas and were always vulnerable to a the odd attack late on. Newcastle are an awful side they should have been thrashed..

They had 1 shot on target, one, and that was the joke of a penalty they scored with.

Yep clearly deserved to draw the game.