Match Threads Spurs vs Newcastle - Match Thread - Day 3

[OPModric]

Why doesn't VAR check Lacelles handball after the penalty? I can't stop thinking about it. What causes them to not review it? Had it been reviewed if our players had surronded the ref?

 

[spud]

Looks level to me.

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Whether you are looking at the thick yellow line or the thin blue one, there is - quite obviously - at least one Newcastle player offside.

I therefore assume that you are being ironic.

 

[tiger666]

Whether you are looking at the thick yellow line or the thin blue one, there is - quite obviously - at least one Newcastle player offside.

I therefore assume that you are being ironic.

I assume you're not aware that it was Carroll that was being checked.

 

[SheffieldAndy]

I assume you're not aware that it was Carroll that was being checked.

This is a genuine question, as I’m not sure, what is the blue line on the screen to check against there?

 

[spud]

I assume you're not aware that it was Carroll that was being checked.

When they check for offside they don't only check one player. It was obvious to me at the time, and remains so after what you posted, that there was at least one Newcastle player who was offside. It doesn't matter who it was.

EDIT. I've just realised that this is an entirely fucking stupid post. Please ignore it.

 

[tiger666]

This is a genuine question, as I’m not sure, what is the blue line on the screen to check against there?

No idea, the yellow line is what they're looking at.

 

[JCRD]

I am aware of who the VAR was checking for offside. When they showed the lines on the screen it seemed to me that Carroll was offside.

The handball that should have been given against Lascalles was a few minutes earlier at the other end of the pitch.

I know which one you are talking about - that wasnt a handball, his hands were clearly by his sides.

Both werent handballs and shouldnt have been but if im going by the letter of the shitty law then even Lacelles wasnt handball.

 

[VegasII]

We got dicked. I hope something that will come of this is that our players take their chances to score when they have them.

 

[hughy]

No idea, the yellow line is what they're looking at.

There were 3 or 4 lines at one point. How do you know it was the yellow line that they were looking at?

 

[peterballb]

VAR is not going to be our friend. But then, we should have been up by three or four. Foul that led to free kick was not a foul. Unless of course now you can pass the ball and throw yourself into the nearest opposition player and fall down and gain a foul. Perhaps it's a new covid rule as Hojbjerg was within 6 feet. Seems to me that Son has already had 4 goals chalked off for smaller offside margins than the Newcastle lads (2 of them) had. Certainly looked like both players had their heads and armpits beyond the last Spurs player. A player who is pushed (as Dier was) and has the ball (which he was not looking at) strike the hand at close range, cannot be a hand ball. This is just like the goal that Harry scored near the end of the last season when Moura, as he passed the ball to Harry, was pushed from behind (foul not called by the ref like here), was falling, reached down to break his fall, had the defender kick the ball off his arm with him facing the other direction, ricochet to Kane, Kane scores. Chalked off for handball. Defies any logic or spirit of the rule. No intent or possibility for it not to have been so.

Ultimately, we have ourselves to blame. Lots of chances, lots of great play, just no killer instinct or urgency. Should have been three of four up and get Kane and Son (who I would not have started as we should be rotating), and others off to rest up for the two cup matches. This all comes down to learning to win. We have a long way to go. Yes, the keeper played well but 20 plus attempts should warrant more than one goal. Why jump up with Carroll? Play is always the same. Just let him commit to the jump and back off to play where he is going to head the ball.

One other general observation. Kane's style of play has him in a position that leaves him and the player who is supposed to be behind him always in the same space. When the wingers also cut in (which is often) we have 3 or 4 players on top of each other. For long stretches today, Lo Celso was just in Harry's way (or vice versa). This is the same issue with Dele. Dele is far more influential when he is direct and when he is running beyond Kane. He does not do that anywhere near often enough. Anyone playing behind Kane needs to do that. We need to sort that out. It is just far too easy for other teams to neutralize the middle when three or four of our offensive players are all in there.

Nice to see two really well taken free kicks (Lamela and Lo Celso).

Cannot win the PL dropping games like this and Everton. Need to be more clinical.

 

[Mr Pink]

No idea, the yellow line is what they're looking at.

Carroll is offside, it's clear as day

 

[SheffieldAndy]

No idea, the yellow line is what they're looking at.

Well looking at the yellow line, it’s matched to Dier’s hand (which can’t play the ball, and is further back than Davies’ back as you can see the different colour behind his shirt), and the bit in line with Dier’s hand is Carroll’s shirt sleeve (with which he can play the ball). So by my reckoning, it should be offside.

 

[Mr Pink]

Fucking hell, that's even more annoying looking at that graphic.

Carroll is clearly offside. Corrupt fucks.

 

[tiger666]

There were 3 or 4 lines at one point. How do you know it was the yellow line that they were looking at?

Because that's the one that's inline with the pitch markings? It wasn't a freekick, was a foul on Dier, is a joke of a rule, but it wasn't offside.

 

[wrd]

We got dicked. I hope something that will come of this is that our players take their chances to score when they have them.

Agreed hopefully it's a valuable lesson and we don't let it happen again, always happens against them. I still wake up at night screaming about Tim Krul in that sunday afternoon sun.

 

[wrd]

Carroll is offside, it's clear as day

I don't understand why they didn't just use the offside as an excuse not to give such an atrocious penalty tbh.

 

[Mr Pink]

Tiger be a man and reply to me

 

[tiger666]

Tiger be a man and reply to me

Sorry? Reply to what?

 

[Jamturk]

I don't understand why they didn't just use the offside as an excuse not to give such an atrocious penalty tbh.

They did'nt give the penalty.

The ref went to the screen and after HE reviewed it awarded a penalty.

 

[Gareth88]

I'm moving on next game that counts for me is Thursday, the Carabao cup can eat a bag of shit