Match Threads Spurs vs Man Utd

[newbie]

United are in a lot of trouble when you look through their team generally.

Onana is ok as a keeper. Prone to a mistake as a keeper. I think he is exposed to more than he should in front of a woeful defence.

I don't think they have a decent centre back bar Yoro who is still young. I think full backs arfairlyly average as well.

Central midfield is really weak and aging. Mainoo has dipped in form but still very young. Fernandez can still win games but there is a real lack of defensive support in the middle.

Up front Amad seems to be able to do things, Holland is a lump who works hard but doesn't seem to be a natural goal scorer and I am not sure in this day and age where Zirkzee plays. Watching him yesterday he has a wonderful ability on the ball. He showed strength and can pick a pass, but he lacks pace and again doesn't feel natural as a goal scorer. I thought he was their best player yesterday - he has that ability to seemingly have so much time on the ball but he couldn't lead a line so a number 10 is about the only place he could fit.

Their squad is aging
Lindeloff, Maguire, Evans, Fernandez, Eriksen, Casemeiro all 30 or above.

Comparing our squad versus theirs I would have ours all day long. Don't get me wrong there are major issues in midfield and out wide for ours but they have a massive squad rebuild heading towards them.

I think yorro is pretty terrible when we played them in the cup we targeted him second half and got two goals because he’s really poor with ball at his feet, maybe he’s adapting. Maybe he’s a good defender but he struggles to get the ball out of his feet quick enough and I think that will equal goals for opposition teams.

agree though all our best players won’t peak for 5-10 years is mental Son a side

we just need time and a couple of players even biased Neville said they have one player who would get in our first 11

 

[newbie]

Well, as strange as this may sound given what we all pretty much agree on him, I'd start Son. Hear me out!

Son doesn't look play the role that great given he can't hold up play, but with wingers back and a tweak we could minimise the need to do so. Son's instincts to a make those runs are better right now than Tel's and it may also help him by simplifying his game for a period where he is struggling with the creativity element and beating his opposition.

We could bring Tel on at HT or in the 2nd and just give him a bit more of an ease into the PL. I like his energy, he clearly has a good mentality and we should be looking to nurture him and see what he can achieve for the rest of the season. Today he was trying to do everything up there, partly due to Son's struggle out wide and this meant he didn't make some of the runs that you would have wanted and his shots weren't great as everything was a little frantic given that was the nature of his whole game.

Let's just slow it down a touch and give him the right environment to express his talents. Solanke is back very soon, hence he isn't starting PL games in the middle, therefore don't think we desperately need to get him into the starting CF role. Yes, he will maybe need to do it in the EL, but I can't see Ange resting Solanke in those games immediately anyway if he comes back fit and fresh.

I think solanke is a month away, but we have a week between games for a while and an int break in march

 

[easley91]

They had chances, but I still felt we were the better side and more in control. There was a spell after half time they put us under pressure but we got through it. It was always going to be end to end at the end as they needed a goal.

We created a few decent openings as well but it's always about the chances we conceded and never what we missed ourselves.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

It’s just this week free then it’s City next midweek followed by 2 Europa midweek games. Need Solanke for the Europa games . Not sure where are goals are going to come from.

 

[spurmin]

Just been watching the game and I think we were comfortably the dominant team. The Garnacho chance in the 1st half was due to Porro being too high up (again) but I don't feel Utd really threatened.

There were a few instances where Dom would have made a huge difference - Porro whipped in a few balls (28th minute sticks out) to exactly where Dom would be attacking.

Longer term I can see something like:

Vic
Spence Romero VdV Udogie
Gray Bentancur
Deki
Odobert Dom Tel

Spence is turning into some player btw. Outstanding again today.

If you watch back the Garnacho one on one comes about due to Kulusevski humping it high in the air into the middle of the pitch where United one it back. Could have retained possession.

 

[KingsDodgyKnee]

If you watch back the Garnacho one on one comes about due to Kulusevski humping it high in the air into the middle of the pitch where United one it back. Could have retained possession.

Yeah, sorry, I'm not completely blaming Porro for it - it's another case of Porro being high up the pitch ahead of play, someone (this time Deki) losing it in the middle of the park, and us getting caught out in the RB position.

We actually did this far less yesterday - I noticed Bergvall and Bentancur sitting in a double pivot a lot. They stayed much closer to each other throughout the match as well, meaning the motorway through the centre of the pitch was closed more often yesterday! Apart from that Garnacho 1v1, they were mostly limited to speculative efforts from outside the box.

 

[tvspur]

I just watched the Sky Sports highlights of our game...



They show our goal and Tel's chance and that's it. The rest is Man Utd chances.

Is this just a really biased reel?

Totally. I didn't see the Live recording so watched the Sky 30 mins highlights which as you say showed pretty much only ManU chances and very little from us other than Maddison's goal. I then watched MOTD2 where the 15 mins highlights were totally different in that we featured far more up top. Clearly the Sky match editor is a devoted but sad ManU fan.

 

[FloridaSpur]

Well, as strange as this may sound given what we all pretty much agree on him, I'd start Son. Hear me out!

Son doesn't look play the role that great given he can't hold up play, but with wingers back and a tweak we could minimise the need to do so. Son's instincts to a make those runs are better right now than Tel's and it may also help him by simplifying his game for a period where he is struggling with the creativity element and beating his opposition.

We could bring Tel on at HT or in the 2nd and just give him a bit more of an ease into the PL. I like his energy, he clearly has a good mentality and we should be looking to nurture him and see what he can achieve for the rest of the season. Today he was trying to do everything up there, partly due to Son's struggle out wide and this meant he didn't make some of the runs that you would have wanted and his shots weren't great as everything was a little frantic given that was the nature of his whole game.

Let's just slow it down a touch and give him the right environment to express his talents. Solanke is back very soon, hence he isn't starting PL games in the middle, therefore don't think we desperately need to get him into the starting CF role. Yes, he will maybe need to do it in the EL, but I can't see Ange resting Solanke in those games immediately anyway if he comes back fit and fresh.

Tel has played games for a much, much bigger side, and we have thrown in Bergvall, Gray and Kinsky the eldest being twenty one into the starting eleven.

I don't believe you have to ease a player into a team, if they are good enough they are young enough as we have seen with the above players for the last couple of months.

Son was terrible yesterday and should be rested, benched or whatever you call it. Once Solanke returns either Odobert or Tel on the left, Solanke returns up front. Odobert and Tel are quick, can take a defender on, good crossers of the ball.

Sentimentality is all well and good but we have all witnessed a drop off in the form of Son, maybe due to the number of games but now Ange can, aside from the Europa League, give himself a chance to look at the squad he's brought in over the remainder of this season in Premier League action.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Odobert.

Not Odebert, Oderbert, Odabert.

 

[kelloggs]

Tel has played games for a much, much bigger side, and we have thrown in Bergvall, Gray and Kinsky the eldest being twenty one into the starting eleven.

I don't believe you have to ease a player into a team, if they are good enough they are young enough as we have seen with the above players for the last couple of months.

Son was terrible yesterday and should be rested, benched or whatever you call it. Once Solanke returns either Odobert or Tel on the left, Solanke returns up front. Odobert and Tel are quick, can take a defender on, good crossers of the ball.

Sentimentality is all well and good but we have all witnessed a drop off in the form of Son, maybe due to the number of games but now Ange can, aside from the Europa League, give himself a chance to look at the squad he's brought in over the remainder of this season in Premier League action.

I think we broadly agree, I just think the bridge to Solanke returning might be better bridged without Tel starting at CF. Start him on the left if you wish, but I think he's short of the CF role right now. Not saying longer-term, but he didn't excel in that role yesterday, albeit he did contribute well with energy and effort. Son was awful BTW and I'd have Oderbert in on the left the minuet we think he is fit to start.

 

[Snarfalicious]

Odobert.

Not Odebert, Oderbert, Odabert.

Bert, it is.

 

[worcestersauce]

I just watched the Sky Sports highlights of our game...



They show our goal and Tel's chance and that's it. The rest is Man Utd chances.

Is this just a really biased reel?

It wasn't the game I experienced yesterday, it did give the impression we were desperately defending and under the cosh through the game which wasn't the case at all. They did at one point though after showing constant Man Utd pressure, say " this is United's 1st corner of the second half, Spurs have had five" which shows it wasn't quite how they edited it.

 

[greaves]

Obedert is to do

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Tel has played games for a much, much bigger side, and we have thrown in Bergvall, Gray and Kinsky the eldest being twenty one into the starting eleven.

I don't believe you have to ease a player into a team, if they are good enough they are young enough as we have seen with the above players for the last couple of months.

Son was terrible yesterday and should be rested, benched or whatever you call it. Once Solanke returns either Odobert or Tel on the left, Solanke returns up front. Odobert and Tel are quick, can take a defender on, good crossers of the ball.

Sentimentality is all well and good but we have all witnessed a drop off in the form of Son, maybe due to the number of games but now Ange can, aside from the Europa League, give himself a chance to look at the squad he's brought in over the remainder of this season in Premier League action.

Tel has played for the biggest team in a one team league. Easy to look good when you’ve got the ball all the time.

 

[pedrodelawasp]

Tel has played for the biggest team in a one team league. Easy to look good when you’ve got the ball all the time.

That’s a one team league that Bayern did not win last season and did so on goal difference the season before that.

Longer term, their dominance may well continue, but Tel has been involved in at least a temporarily more competitive Bundesliga.

 

[N17-77]

One of those games where result was paramount. Big win.

First half we were slick, aggressive and on it. Played some lovely stuff, should have created more from our openings.

Second half we lost our way/ran out of gas and butchered so many good openings. All things told, the deserved victors.

Now we’re getting people back, we really need to give Kulu and Son a rest. They have both been pretty poor for a good month and seem to cough up possession almost constantly.

Tel was erratic but showed plenty I thought. Spence was gravy. Bergvall was quality first half, his ceiling (once he works out how to use his energy) is scarily high. His shoulder drops to evade challenges were brilliant. Madders was the difference. Muppets who don’t see what he brings to our team when he plays really need to take up a different sport. Danso very solid. Vic was excellent.

Saw a very brief glimpse of what a handy asset Odebert will be. Lightning quick. Think he’ll link with Tel well.

Pleased for Ange. We go forward from here. Get in there.

Excellent summary. Fully agree

 

[markt]

I just watched the Sky Sports highlights of our game...



They show our goal and Tel's chance and that's it. The rest is Man Utd chances.

Is this just a really biased reel?

Shockingly so. I would say United had the 2 most clear cut missed chances, but in this instance the stats don't lie in showing we were the better team. More shots, possession and corners. Tel had a fair few chances, Kulusevski did too and a number of counter attacks could have been on had we decided to cross it and not infuriatingly pass it back