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Match Threads Spurs vs Man Utd

Date
Dec 19, 2024
KO Time
8:00pm
Score
4 - 3

Match Prediction

  • Spurs Advance To Semi Finals

    Votes: 84 67.2%
  • Spurs Knocked Out Of The Cup

    Votes: 41 32.8%

  • Total voters
    125

Archibald&Crooks

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We need a hard nosed combative midfielder to come on and shore things up. A seasoned pro, someone whose been around for a while, maybe not the best passer but someone who gets stuck in and leads from the front, Dunno if weve ever had a player like that… đŸ¤”
Robbo? :woot:
 

hughy

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Not a night for the Goalkeepers Union.

If we’d have lost that game from 3 up the blame would be on Postecoglu’s shoulders. He demands that, despite the state of the game, they play Kamakazi football at the back. Goalkeepers are the least technically able players with the ball at their feet (Forster especially)so why would anyone with any intelligence put their goal in danger by having the GK play around with the ball in their penalty area. And don’t give me this bullshit about playing out from the back creates a better attacking move. It doesn’t . It’s simply dick swinging - pure macho bullshit. It shouldn’t be beyond the capabilities of the coaching staff to teach the GK and the outfield players how to create space to give the GK options for an out ball.
Maybe I’m just too old school but if I live to be a million years old I will never see this playing out from the back as anything but managers showing off. His and defenders job is to protect their goal and needlessly playing around with the ball in your penalty area with the opposition in close attendance is the opposite of protecting.
The second goal as well was stupidity. From a free kick in our half why are we playing back to the goalkeeper?
Complete and utter rubbish. We've shown time and time again that we are capable of beating the press playing out from the back so I can 100% understand why we do it. It's part of the reason we score so many goals.

However it's going to come with risks, especially when you don't have the personnel to do it effectively. I remember Vicario making 1 or 2 major errors in pre-season being too slow/sloppy at playing out from the back, he seemed to learn from this and during the season he's been pretty steady with his feet. As a 35 year-old I doubt Forster is suddenly going to become Ederson, but we can certainly instruct him to speed it up a bit, otherwise attackers closing him down at lightning speed is going to be the new CB's interfering with Vicario at corners and it'll get in our heads.

He needs a steady 2-3 games in the next 10 days.
 

aussie spur

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If you say "I like Ange but...", aren't you really saying you don't?

That you prefer a reactive approach that changes according to the opponent, scoreline and players capacities?

I tend to reflect on how well that went with people like Ten Hag at ManU. He abandoned his 433 philosophy and ended up with something crap that just pandered to his player's weaknesses. I think Ange will drive change in the group faster because it is not a sheltered workshop under him.

And I think that if you say, play Ange's style of football only sometimes then it begs the question, when? Only when you are behind? Only against some teams? Only when you aren't injury hit? Where do you get the courage to do it if you don't do it when the oppo get a bit of a run on etc? Won't the players just get scared and give it away when it gets tough? The whole philosophy of Ange is to back yourself in the fight and take it up to the opposition, once you give the option to play too safe, the players will start playing for self preservation and not succeed in the system.
 

KirstyG

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Jul 16, 2015
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I didn’t watch whole match as I was out but watched replay. I feel for Forster as he done a good job since coming in and made some terrific saves. Just hope it doesn’t affect him too much.

Tough draw for us now but main thing is we are through, and without giving them goals they wouldn’t have been in it. We gave Chelsea those pens too but difference is they had time and quality to finish us.
 

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
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He had a nightmare 10 minutes because we keep asking him to do something he’s not very good at. How about letting him kick it long? How about not needlessly passing back to him.
But we hadn't just started to do that had we? We'd been doing it all game and we were winning 3-0 so why didn't he have a nightmare the other 80 minutes?
What you are suggesting is we go 3 up and so should stop doing what we've been doing?
 

Colonel_Klinck

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May 19, 2004
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Atmosphere in the staduim was toxic after the second goal,

Genuinely from the staduim it felt like the crowd bullied the team in to kicking it long, they were booing every time we played it short and ironically cheering when Forster kicked it long

The south stand just started to moan that Son's was too tired, he was

The front 3 stopped pressing after 70 mins, they couldn't anymore

I thought the atmosphere was weak full stop. Stank of a cup game that wasn't on people's season ticket. Didn't hear the Levy chant until Kulu scored and even then it was half hearted. I thought the fans were very quiet. You are right that people were screaming "boot it" but that is standard when we're under pressure.
 
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Colonel_Klinck

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May 19, 2004
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Not a night for the Goalkeepers Union.

If we’d have lost that game from 3 up the blame would be on Postecoglu’s shoulders. He demands that, despite the state of the game, they play Kamakazi football at the back. Goalkeepers are the least technically able players with the ball at their feet (Forster especially)so why would anyone with any intelligence put their goal in danger by having the GK play around with the ball in their penalty area. And don’t give me this bullshit about playing out from the back creates a better attacking move. It doesn’t . It’s simply dick swinging - pure macho bullshit. It shouldn’t be beyond the capabilities of the coaching staff to teach the GK and the outfield players how to create space to give the GK options for an out ball.
Maybe I’m just too old school but if I live to be a million years old I will never see this playing out from the back as anything but managers showing off. His and defenders job is to protect their goal and needlessly playing around with the ball in your penalty area with the opposition in close attendance is the opposite of protecting.
The second goal as well was stupidity. From a free kick in our half why are we playing back to the goalkeeper?


I'm fairly sure I've seen Ange say he doesn't want them to keep passing to the keeper as often.
 

Yid121

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Atmosphere in the staduim was toxic after the second goal,

Genuinely from the staduim it felt like the crowd bullied the team in to kicking it long, they were booing every time we played it short and ironically cheering when Forster kicked it long

The south stand just started to moan that Son's was too tired, he was

The front 3 stopped pressing after 70 mins, they couldn't anymore
Don't know why Ange didn't change it. I get there are weaker players on the bench but we desperately needed fresh legs
 

bigfrooj

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Don't know why Ange didn't change it. I get there are weaker players on the bench but we desperately needed fresh legs
Bissouma becomes a liability when tired, it’s a bug bear of mine that he doesn’t get replaced when he dips. It’s not his fault - he’s flogged himself to death to get into that state.
 

newbie

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Jul 16, 2004
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We didnt get beaten by the press we got beaten by 2 bad decisions

Fraser just needed to pause take a breath we had all the time 3 goals United where defeated.

second goal he just looked to take to long with a player running towards him

I sit other end so tbh I didn’t have a good view we do play out on the whole pretty well and we will get better

good game

there goals killed the mood but we did play so well

on the restart for the second half I think we targeted there right CB he was slow getting the ball out of his feet
 

newbie

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Bissouma becomes a liability when tired, it’s a bug bear of mine that he doesn’t get replaced when he dips. It’s not his fault - he’s flogged himself to death to get into that state.

Tbf to Ange he likes to make changes we just have no one left to sub on
 

Reado

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Nov 3, 2008
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Haven't read through everything but regarding the Son corner/goal, I think even with VAR it would've been soft as hell to disallow. Bergvall gets up first and above the keeper who brings his arms up into Bergvall's. Anywhere else on the pitch with two players contesting for a header then that's just that, one gets up first and the other tends to get a whack. Obviously this tends to go in favour of keepers more often than not, but I (through possibly Spurs-tinted glasses) thought it was fine.
 

gibbospurs

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Aug 28, 2010
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They are playing superb football mate, and to suggest that they "ain't as good as the table is showing" is plain stupid.

They are top of the PL and CL for a reason.

We would have to beat them either in the semi or final to win the Cup, it's that simple.
No shit Sherlock đŸ˜‚.
 

Gilzeanking

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May 7, 2005
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I'm delighted that so many Prem managers fail to read the memo on our vulnerabilities. High intensity , Low Block and deny us space to play.
Lower teams got it (apart from Soton man committing career suicide).

'Pool think they are special, so don't need the cheat code. We'll see on Sunday.
 
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UbeAstard

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May 31, 2005
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I'm fairly sure I've seen Ange say he doesn't want them to keep passing to the keeper as often.
I agree about passing it back to the keeper but what about our setup from goalkicks. When you are 3-0 up and the opposition is sitting on your outfield defenders why take the same risks trying to beat the press when the only likely way the opposition is going to get back in the game is when you make the errors right in the danger area? Get the ball up the pitch were errors arent going to be punished so immediately. When we stopped doing that nonsense though we were fighting for 50-50s we were under no more pressure from United in my opinion.
 

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