Match Threads Spurs vs Liverpool - Match Thread

[cjbyid]

One thing I forgot to mention yesterday...I don't actually watch Liverpool much, but for all this talk about how Gomez partnering VVD has led to the uptick in their defensive performances and the run of clean sheets...wow. Gomez is awful with his feet. He's Mamadou Sakho part 2...every time he was on the ball yesterday he looked like he was going to give it away. May be a decent defender, but on the ball I thought he was hopeless. Teams should be attacking him in possession.

If you put pressure on their back line they don't like it all, van dijk didn't like moura running at him at all yesterday hence some off the ball stuff!

 

[oohaahedgar]

I’d argue we could of got something out of both games against at them this season.

Yeah we could have but we didn’t , same as last season 3 games.
Anyway my point was yesterday’s line up, ( that Spurs team) loses 9 out of 10 game’s to that Liverpool side. I thought they did pretty well considering all the injuries, and lack of confidence etc.

 

[spud]

I respectfully suggest that all of you who are happy with yesterday's game might have a look at this article posted on the front page by jolsnogross.

Spurs fans should fear four years of Mourinho’s small-minded cynicism

Desperate negativity of his approach to playing Liverpool at home is José Mourinho’s management style in microcosm. “If we tried to play the way we did in the last 20 minutes from the beginning,” he said, “I think we would collapse. Because the players are not used to playing in this style and...

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[davidmatzdorf]

I respectfully suggest that all of you who are happy with yesterday's game might have a look at this article posted on the front page by jolsnogross.

Spurs fans should fear four years of Mourinho’s small-minded cynicism

Desperate negativity of his approach to playing Liverpool at home is José Mourinho’s management style in microcosm. “If we tried to play the way we did in the last 20 minutes from the beginning,” he said, “I think we would collapse. Because the players are not used to playing in this style and...

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I'm normally a fan of Liew's writing, but that is a pile of steaming tabloid snideness, based not on fact but on mischief.

He conveniently fails to mention any of Mourinho's list of trophies and achievements with multiple clubs. Funny, that: you'd think he was describing Tony Pulis, FFS.

The article is unadulterated bollocks, the more so because of the multiple occasions when Pochettino adopted similar sit-deep-and-hit-'em-on-the-break tactics in the absence of Harry Kane, notably against Man City.

 

[DCSPUR64]

I respectfully suggest that all of you who are happy with yesterday's game might have a look at this article posted on the front page by jolsnogross.

Spurs fans should fear four years of Mourinho’s small-minded cynicism

Desperate negativity of his approach to playing Liverpool at home is José Mourinho’s management style in microcosm. “If we tried to play the way we did in the last 20 minutes from the beginning,” he said, “I think we would collapse. Because the players are not used to playing in this style and...

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Not happy, I never am when we lose but I found the second half, very promising under JM's formation, now lets knock Boro out of the cup and on Saturday, even though Watford are on a re surge under Pearson , lets knock their socks off.

 

[midge]

“If we tried to play the way we did in the last 20 minutes from the beginning,” he said, “I think we would collapse. Because the players are not used to playing in this style and they are not adapted. I think we did the maximum we could do.”

This part is interesting. Basically Jose said we played a very different style in the last 20 min which also happen to be our most threatening period.

Any can dissect what was the tactic in the 20 min? Might this be the new way of playing that some of the ITK is saying Jose was trying to go for?

 

[spud]

I'm normally a fan of Liew's writing, but that is a pile of steaming tabloid snideness, based not on fact but on mischief.

He conveniently fails to mention any of Mourinho's list of trophies and achievements with multiple clubs. Funny, that: you'd think he was describing Tony Pulis, FFS.

The article is unadulterated bollocks, the more so because of the multiple occasions when Pochettino adopted similar sit-deep-and-hit-'em-on-the-break tactics in the absence of Harry Kane, notably against Man City.

It's based on his view of the game (whether or not that was motivated 'by mischief') so it is clearly grounded in fact. Similarly, it isn't a critique of Mourinho's career as a whole; it's a view of his tactics against Liverpool, his justification of them, and the wider implications of both those tactics and his public pronouncements based upon his previous behaviour.

It therefore patently isn't 'unadulterated bollocks'. It's simply a point of view that you appear to disagree with.

 

[easley91]

RE that Robertson tackle. I thought it didn't matter anymore if you got the ball as long as you endanger the opponent? I remember Jan got booked a few years ago at Arsenal when he got the ball first but went through the player.

 

[Marty]

RE that Robertson tackle. I thought it didn't matter anymore if you got the ball as long as you endanger the opponent? I remember Jan got booked a few years ago at Arsenal when he got the ball first but went through the player.

This is very much the case, yes. "Got the ball, ref" isn't a valid argument any more.

 

[Warik]

I respectfully suggest that all of you who are happy with yesterday's game might have a look at this article posted on the front page by jolsnogross.

Spurs fans should fear four years of Mourinho’s small-minded cynicism

Desperate negativity of his approach to playing Liverpool at home is José Mourinho’s management style in microcosm. “If we tried to play the way we did in the last 20 minutes from the beginning,” he said, “I think we would collapse. Because the players are not used to playing in this style and...

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The media turns on managers so fast, they're even needling Pep now. With the exception of OGS who seems to get away with absolute nonsense on a weekly basis, and Klopp and Arteta right now.

If Mourinho had said "well they played a full strength team against us, which shows they respect us, so we must be doing something right" he would be slaughtered, and rightly so.

But that article just ignores the facts leading to and of the game. We were without Lloris, Sissoko, Ndombele, Kane. Our defense and midfield are a shambles and have been all season long. For anyone else those things would be a good reason to play as we did, but not for Mourinho.

Add to that the stats, half as many passes, yet more shots, same amount of offsides, more corners, less fouls (tactical fouling being a hallmark of Mourinho defenses in the past)

Only thing that isnt there as far as meme criticisms of Mourinho go is the trusty "Mourinho doesn't trust kids" to come out. Tanganga meant that's not there but I'm sure he wanted to shoe horn it in.

Seriously every Mourinho article for 2 years has been the same, almost word for word. It's like most of these journalists havent got an original thought in their heads.

....and I cant believe I'm defending Mourinho, I hate him...but lazy click bait journalism is a bug bear for me.

 

[jezz]

Maybe in the context of being largely shite for the last year? or having loads of injuries? or playing arguably the best team in world football right now?
Maybe you haven't been paying attention.

Context.

Really?
Losing at home happy.
Not me and Id rather lose while at least trying to win.
We've got the players to at least try and win.
The manager just doesn't like them.

 

[Gb160]

Really?
Losing at home happy.
Not me and Id rather lose while at least trying to win.
We've got the players to at least try and win.
The manager just doesn't like them.

You're either deluded or in denial.
If we'd tried to go at them from the off they would've pulled us to pieces, as they have against every single team but 1 that they have played so far this season.
They have lost 1 out of their last 60 premier league matches.
Let that sink in.

Your problem is that you hate Jose, and you're just using the result as a reason to have a moan and a stick to beat him with.
I don't think a single poster poster has said that they were happy to lose at home, just that they could see positives in the approach.

I cant help but find it funny that you honestly think there was some magical formation that you would've picked that would've got us a win.
Deluded or in denial.

 

[jezz]

You're either deluded or in denial.
If we'd tried to go at them from the off they would've pulled us to pieces, as they have against every single team but 1 that they have played so far this season.
They have lost 1 out of their last 60 premier league matches.
Let that sink in.

Your problem is that you hate Jose, and you're just using the result as a reason to have a moan and a stick to beat him with.
I don't think a single poster poster has said that they were happy to lose at home, just that they could see positives in the approach.

I cant help but find it funny that you honestly think there was some magical formation that you would've picked that would've got us a win.
Deluded or in denial.

Pulled to pieces like at Anfield?K
We lost 2 1.
Deluded and sucked in by Mourhinos BS and you've fallen straight in.
Good luck watching hoof ball followed by an exodus of our best player's

 

[Gb160]

Pulled to pieces like at Anfield?K
We lost 2 1.
Deluded and sucked in by Mourhinos BS and you've fallen straight in.
Good luck watching hoof ball followed by an exodus of our best player's

Perhaps you could email your magical formation to Jose?

Another positive from a narrow loss like Sunday is it really does weed out the clueless on here.

 

[Ionman34]

I think he does but why does he keep playing Dele and Eriksen though?

I think because Football is a game of moments, where a close match can be turned on it’s head by a quality player having one of those moments.
Alli almost had one in the first half, we’ve seen for the last 2 seasons that he can be godawful for the majority of a match then pop up and have a magical moment to rescue or win a game.

Eriksen too is capable of those moments.

Having said all that, having one player who’s not contributing, but can have one of those moments, is a luxury you can get away with when the rest of the team is solid. Two, however, is pushing your luck.

 

[Ionman34]

1. Liverpool got the throw that led to their goal when it should have been our throw = it happens and we should have defended better
2. Henderson handballed it = don't think so and if he did it was not clear and obvious
I can accept both the above decisions, but I cannot accept that VAR looked at Robertsons foul on Japhet and concluded no card - not even a yellow! He was out of control and overstretched, yes he clipped the ball first but his follow through resulted in 6 studs on our mans leg, what happened to all that wreckless challenge stuff or does that not apply to Liverpool players?

I think you answered your own question there

 

[jezz]

Perhaps you could email your magical formation to Jose?

Another positive from a narrow loss like Sunday is it really does weed out the clueless on here.

Positive from a home loss.
Clueless from the gullible right OK.
Time will tell but don't dismiss history as it usually show you the way.
Jose history tells you everything you need to know.

 

[punkisback]

1. Liverpool got the throw that led to their goal when it should have been our throw = it happens and we should have defended better
2. Henderson handballed it = don't think so and if he did it was not clear and obvious
I can accept both the above decisions, but I cannot accept that VAR looked at Robertsons foul on Japhet and concluded no card - not even a yellow! He was out of control and overstretched, yes he clipped the ball first but his follow through resulted in 6 studs on our mans leg, what happened to all that wreckless challenge stuff or does that not apply to Liverpool players?

I thought any handball in the attacking phase would nullify goals?

 

[buckley]

To judge Mourhino on one game where his team has lots of injuries plus badly needing new blood might be OK for Mr Liew but not for me and find him considering Jose past record insulting in the extreme plus just a small understanding of our current situation would not have gone a miss he along with the seemingly endless spurs detractors will need to get in a very long queue .
a...hole.He will also have to get in the longer queue that is trying to get up Klopp backside so to speak .