Match Threads Spurs vs Forest

[spurs mental]

All part of their training session was it?

I never said it was a training session but they set up to contain us and they did it for the most part. For all our possession and supposed pressure, Sels only had one difficult save to make and it was that one, the other 3 or 4 he made were comfortable and from shots from distance. The clearance off the line was from a corner so not as if it was great build up play either.

The game plan is always the same from teams with coaches who can organise their team well. Set up to counter, hit it long and bypass us trying to press and get our centre backs isolated. Failing that our erratic goalkeeper and defence will give up chances. Once you get ahead you can sit in and soak up pressure and hit us on the counter. Rinse and repeat every week.

We barely looked like scoring save for those 2 chances and the goal last night.

 

[worcestersauce]

I never said it was a training session but they set up to contain us and they did it for the most part. For all our possession and supposed pressure, Sels only had one difficult save to make and it was that one, the other 3 or 4 he made were comfortable and from shots from distance. The clearance off the line was from a corner so not as if it was great build up play either.

The game plan is always the same from teams with coaches who can organise their team well. Set up to counter, hit it long and bypass us trying to press and get our centre backs isolated. Failing that our erratic goalkeeper and defence will give up chances. Once you get ahead you can sit in and soak up pressure and hit us on the counter. Rinse and repeat every week.

We barely looked like scoring save for those 2 chances and the goal last night.

The post I was responding to did call it a training session.

 

[spurs mental]

The post I was responding to did call it a training session.

He said they treated it like a training session, and they probably did to a degree because all they needed to do to win the game was sit in and be compact.

 

[james82mckay]

Funny it’s not how I saw the game. They got a lucky first. Which the keeper should have done better with. Then the game falls into a pattern that 100% suits the team they are, men behind the ball and keep it tight.
The 2nd was awful from Romero and Vicario. But we dominated the rest of the game, a fitter sharper Richi probably gets at least 2 if not 3 in that game.. I’m firmly in the disappointing result but happy with the performance camp. Yes we could have played better but overall we should have at least got a point. So many on here seem to think we should be playing super sexy attacking football that constantly opens up every team we play whilst also looking like AC Milan in the early 90s at the back.

 

[spurs mental]

Funny it’s not how I saw the game. They got a luck first. Which the keeper should have done better with. Then the game falls into a pattern that 100% suits the team they are, men behind the ball and keep it tight.
the 2nd was awful from Romero and Vicario. But we dominated the rest of the game, a fitter sharper Richi probably gets at least 2 if not 3 in that game.. I’m firmly in the disappointing result but happy with the performance camp. Yes we could have played better but overall we should have at least got a point. So many on here seem to think we should be playing super sexy attacking football that constantly opens up every team we play whilst also looking like AC Milan in the early 90s at the back.

I'd rather we were just solid and didn't concede avoidable goals every single game, like the manager alluded to in his post match comments. I'd rather we were focused and worked hard and the players played for each other. But they don't and they won't change, nor will the manager, and we'll have the same issues Sunday and in all likelihood the remainder of the league games

 

[worcestersauce]

He said they treated it like a training session, and they probably did to a degree because all they needed to do to win the game was sit in and be compact.

So those things were all part of their training session then?

 

[spurs mental]

So those things were all part of their training session then?

LIKE. A. TRAINING. SESSION.

Not a training session. But yes if you want to be that facetious and avoid the actual points being made.

 

[james82mckay]

I'd rather we were just solid and didn't concede avoidable goals every single game, like the manager alluded to in his post match comments. I'd rather we were focused and worked hard and the players played for each other. But they don't and they won't change, nor will the manager, and we'll have the same issues Sunday and in all likelihood the remainder of the league games

That’s kind of my point though. The first was a huge slice of luck, the 2nd is individual errors. Romero and VdV were about 3 inches away from wood when the ball was crossed but somehow he had a free header, with a keeper in no man’s land. How can you allow for that? As much as I like Romero he can be a shocking defender quite often

 

[worcestersauce]

LIKE. A. TRAINING. SESSION.

Not a training session. But yes if you want to be that facetious and avoid the actual points being made.

TREATED IT LIKE A TRAINING SESSION.
I English that means AS A TRAINING SESSION.
Playing with words doesn't change the poster's meaning.

 

[spurs mental]

TREATED IT LIKE A TRAINING SESSION.
I English that means AS TRAINING SESSION.
Playing with words doesn't change the poster's meaning.

Keep avoiding the rest of the points made though

 

[worcestersauce]

Keep avoiding the rest of the points made though

They weren't relevant to the point about a training session.

 

[spurs mental]

That’s kind of my point though. The first was a huge slice of luck, the 2nd is individual errors. Romero and VdV were about 3 inches away from wood when the ball was crossed but somehow he had a free header, with a keeper in no man’s land. How can you allow for that? As much as I like Romero he can be a shocking defender quite often

So it comes down to coaching then

 

[spurs mental]

They weren't relevant to the point about a training session.

Get your head out of the stand, wake up and smell the coffee mate. This manager is done here. He's so out of his depth. Yet here you are still defending the shit he serves up, every single week.

Defending, goalkeeping, how to set up are part of a training session so I imagine good coaches probably do gey their keepers to try and make saves in training, I imagine good coaches do prepare their defenders to make last ditch clearances.

 

[james82mckay]

So it comes down to coaching then

Haha if a premier league player needs to be coached to challenge for a header in the 6 yard box we are fucked

 

[Ribble]

That’s kind of my point though. The first was a huge slice of luck, the 2nd is individual errors. Romero and VdV were about 3 inches away from wood when the ball was crossed but somehow he had a free header, with a keeper in no man’s land. How can you allow for that? As much as I like Romero he can be a shocking defender quite often

I expect Vic called for it so they left it, only for him to be beaten to it pretty easily by Wood.

 

[spurs mental]

Haha if a premier league player needs to be coached to challenge for a header in the 6 yard box we are fucked

A PL player, regardless of how good he is, needs to be motivated, and i dont mean by anyone in particular but they should have it, to challenge for a header regardless of where it is. About 8 or 9 times last night the two centre backs, but especially Romero, allowed the ball to bounce in front of them instead of putting their head in the mixer.

The managers post match comments about us not being focused or switched on doesn't say much for him preparing the for the game does it?

 

[james82mckay]

A PL player, regardless of how good he is, needs to be motivated to challenge for a header regardless of where it is. About 8 or 9 times last night the two centre backs, but especially Romero, allowed the ball to bounce in front of them instead of putting their head in the mixer.

The managers post match comments about us not being focused or switched on doesn't say much for him preparing the for the game does it?

I don’t know how to argue with this. You’ve obviously decided whose fault everything is. Players should not need motivating to do the basics of the role in the team.

 

[spurs mental]

I don’t know how to argue with this. You’ve obviously decided whose fault everything is. Players should not need motivating to do the basics of the role in the team.

In my edit you'll see that ive stated they shouldn't need motivating to go out and do the basics.

However when the manager sets us up the way he does, it's easy to see why they would lose that motivation given they're set up to fail most weeks.

 

[arunspurs]

Funny it’s not how I saw the game. They got a lucky first. Which the keeper should have done better with. Then the game falls into a pattern that 100% suits the team they are, men behind the ball and keep it tight.
The 2nd was awful from Romero and Vicario. But we dominated the rest of the game, a fitter sharper Richi probably gets at least 2 if not 3 in that game.. I’m firmly in the disappointing result but happy with the performance camp. Yes we could have played better but overall we should have at least got a point. So many on here seem to think we should be playing super sexy attacking football that constantly opens up every team we play whilst also looking like AC Milan in the early 90s at the back.

They didnt get lucky...The events that led to corner and from corner not closing down the player all are defensive organization frailties. Also, moment we gave them a goal 5th minute into game, they took control of game by letting us have the ball. We might have looked good on stats but they were in complete control of their actions the whole game. Thats how this Forest has played this season. Once the 2 goals were given, result is as good as done. So, I wont paint this as some improved performance

 

[james82mckay]

They didnt get lucky...The events that led to corner and from corner not closing down the player all are defensive organization frailties. Also, moment we gave them a goal 5th minute into game, they took control of game by letting us have the ball. We might have looked good on stats but they were in complete control of their actions the whole game. Thats how this Forest has played this season. Once the 2 goals were given, result is as good as done. So, I wont paint this as some improved performance

Kulu was about 3 inches away from Anderson when he hit it. 9/10 times that ends up going over/ wide into a wall of players.
Maybe a fitter Kulu gets the block, but he was set up to be in the right position.
As we all know the league is kind of irrelevant now and the minutes for Him and Richi could prove very important going forward.