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Match Prediction

  • Spurs to win with clean sheet

    Votes: 10 6.4%
  • Spurs to win but will concede

    Votes: 34 21.7%
  • Spurs to lose

    Votes: 66 42.0%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 41 26.1%
  • Goal-less Draw

    Votes: 6 3.8%

  • Total voters
    157
  • Poll closed .

Monkey boy

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Ok so I’ve had some time to reflect on the game and whereas last night I had concluded that we were shit and very lucky to win I now think that on the balance of play we just about deserved it. Off the top of my head I can think of the following attacks that lead to some chances:

moura shot in the 1st half that just swerved wide.
Last ditch tackle from Digne to prevent moura having a clear run on goal.
Son shot from outside the box.
Son shot well saved by Pickford.
Dier Free kick was a good position.

so all in all I think we just about deserved it as I can only recall the Richalison shot at the end of the first half for them.
 

Lifelong

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If you watch that game again ( if you have the guts ) and watch Moura you will see why he is not a good player his passing rarely reaches a teammate his one good shooting chance went well wide several times he actually got in the way of team mates combination play almost like he was a defender for the opposition all this is overlooked because he runs about a lot with no product .
I have said many times and I will say it again Jose for some unknown reason rates Moura . Heaven knows what Bergwijn is thinking being benched for this player . He is living a life in the premiership off of one game CL final . WE must have someone who can produce more.
This man is all show and no product .
I’m not convinced Mourinho does rate him, I just think at the moment he's the one he has the most faith in..for now. That will hopefully change, as for your other points..spot on
 

Albertbarich

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I just want us to be more aggressive. Pragmatism is fine but when we shut up shop after one goal I cant help but feel were asking for trouble.

Look at Harry kane. For england who attack he's a totally different player. He scores , assists and is involved. For us he looks like a younger version of Glenn Murray. He can't be happy, or more to the point enjoying his football.
 

Japhet

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The one positive I can take out of that game apart from 3 points is that Mourinho didn't start 4231. As a result we were much more compact and stable in midfield. Everton played more 442 but we coped with that pretty well and they didn't get through us or round us like previous opponents. It's all very well talking about building off a strong defence but that's just as much to do with how the midfield are deployed in front of the back line. IMO we could use that formation and push further up the pitch so that the front line aren't so disconnected all of the time.
 

thekneaf

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Jan 18, 2011
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Not sure about this. We were always up there with City for ‘tactical’ fouls under Poch; not to mention we kicked the shit out of Chelsea that one, bittersweet time.
Yes we've definitely had a bit of fire in games, but that Chelsea game was more petulance and childish anger, rather than controlled aggression.

Jose talking about the fair play league confused his message. I thought he was getting at the concept of the lads all being too polite with one another. Basically what we mean on here when we lament a lack of leadership on the pitch. It's not really about losing your temper or picking up yellow cards for cynical fouls
 

holsten777

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Jul 3, 2015
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Defensively solid only because the other team were so limp upfront. Nothing worth building on from this game.
Defensively, you can't really do much more than a clean sheet. Not seen the stats but from my viewing they didn't have much of a sniff either, and Richarlison and Calvert-lewin are quite dangerous. Maybe you think they looked limp because we stifled them. Given that we've not been great in the last couple of years, what for you would constitute a foundation worth building from?
 

spursfan77

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"I think we lost the game in the fight that was in the middle of the park, I think there we lost a lot of second balls and we were not in total control of the game. It is true that we competed until the end but we didn't create a lot of opportunities and didn't have a lot of chances."

"In the second-half the possession was better and we had more opportunities to find players between the lines but we didn't have a lot of chances. We competed but it wasn't enough."
"We tried to play with more energy in the midfield, using one midfielder more. We defended more or less the same. Offensively we were the same but with Richarlison a little bit more on the right, more than the left."

Carlo Ancelotti

That sounds like one of our managers after a defeat!

I like Ancelotti complaining about losing the second balls. It is something that always angers me about us. We never do,. Teams that do always come across as hungrier.
 

HedgieSpur

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Might be a talent, but always a strange one to try and take the defensive midfielder of the bottom team of Ligue 1 (not a good division, and imports tend to be of very mixed quality) who have the worst defensive record in ligue 1 and in Europe.

That tends to be a bad sign.

In our position we need to look at the attributes a player has. Sangare is a very good DM, strong, quick, good passing ability can dribble and for those who obsess about height, he's 6'3. Wouldn't cost a lot and has the attributes we need.

In the same way that Aaorons, Cantwell, Buendia play for Norwich and would be considered, I prefer to look at the attributes of a player rather than simply look at the team they play for.
 

C0YS

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Jul 9, 2007
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In our position we need to look at the attributes a player has. Sangare is a very good DM, strong, quick, good passing ability can dribble and for those who obsess about height, he's 6'3. Wouldn't cost a lot and has the attributes we need.

In the same way that Aaorons, Cantwell, Buendia play for Norwich and would be considered, I prefer to look at the attributes of a player rather than simply look at the team they play for.
Ok, but the main thing a DM needs is solid positional play, everything else is just fluff. How is he at that?

That's a genuine question. But the team can't score and can't defend which suggests some pretty deep structural problems. Considering the DM's job is essentially to structurally weave things together it worries me.

Stats wise he seems more like a ball winner than a holding player. Which is a different thing. People love Sandro, but we would often defend terribly when he played, because he would hunt the ball around the pitch and leave gaps in front of defence. He might also be good at holding, I dunno

The other worry is the french division is not reliable at all. A lot of people scout the french league a lot, a lot of people seem to know a lot of the players there. I assume it's because we are neighbours? But the quality is varied, and there is always some hyped player who eventually moves to a midtable team and doesn't particularly impress. Particularly in that midfield role. I'm thinking M'Vila, Serri, Stambouli, Capoue, Bakayoko and Mbia the list goes on and on. Not all of them are bad players, but rarely did they match expectation. Of course you have successes as well but you must understand my scepticism.
 
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C0YS

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You should be having 10 plus shots on target! We used to.
Fks sake if I'm a goal keeper and I know I'm only gonna have to deal with 2 shots all fkin match then happy days.
Did we?

I find that hard to believe, considering Man City, the league leaders, have 6.8 shots on target a game. The P.L average is 4. This season we are slightly above average at 4.3. 2 shots on target is low, but not that low!
 

HedgieSpur

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Ok, but the main thing a DM needs is solid positional play, everything else is just fluff. How is he at that?

That's a genuine question. But the team can't score and can't defend which suggests some pretty deep structural problems. Considering the DM's job is essentially to structurally weave things together it worries me.

Stats wise he seems more like a ball winner than a holding player. Which is a different thing. People love Sandro, but we would often defend terribly when he played, because he would hunt the ball around the pitch and leave gaps in front of defence. I might also be good at holding, I dunno

The other worry is the french division is not reliable at all. A lot of people scout the french league a lot, a lot of people seem to know a lot of the players there. I assume it's because we are neighbours? But the quality is varied, and there is always some hyped player who eventually moves to a midtable team and doesn't particularly impress. Particularly in that midfield role. I'm thinking M'Vila, Serri, Stambouli, Capoue, Bakayoko and Mbia the list goes on and on. Not all of them are bad players, but rarely did they match expectation. Of course you have successes as well but you must understand my scepticism.

Oh yes, Im not suggesting he's the be all and end all...just saying he's a very good DM. His positional sense and ability to anticipate is excellent.

Ligue 1 is notoriously tough to navigate in terms of talent, so yes I understand your reticence. However, I do think he's a great prospect
 
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walworthyid

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Oct 25, 2004
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Not sure this team can play on their front foot at the moment. Given how poorly we've been playing, this might be the best result we can get until the mentality improves. Not sure what will improve that but i'll take a win as ugly as it was and demand beauty at some future point in time.
No. That isnt how it works in my opinion. The defen
I just want us to be more aggressive. Pragmatism is fine but when we shut up shop after one goal I cant help but feel were asking for trouble.

Look at Harry kane. For england who attack he's a totally different player. He scores , assists and is involved. For us he looks like a younger version of Glenn Murray. He can't be happy, or more to the point enjoying his football.
Exactly. I wouldnt blame him for leaving. I dont care what we win, this is not football.
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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I’m not convinced Mourinho does rate him, I just think at the moment he's the one he has the most faith in..for now. That will hopefully change, as for your other points..spot on
He’s been pretty clear - he tried to sign him for Real Madrid, he loves him as a player. He’s either playing 3D chess with his interviews or he really thinks he’s a good player.
 

Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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Id like to see dele given that right wing forward slot. His best season under Poch came in that position when we played a 343 and he could ghost in off the wing, that would allow Aurier to continue to bomb on and provide the width.

In terms of the midfield I would absolutely start integrating N'dombele. He may not have the workrate of a sissoko but him and lo celso in midfield would enable us to keep the ball for more effectively.

I think we do agree though. Which is refreshing at 2am on the Internet!
The problem with retaining the ball doesn't really stem from our midfield though, it's more certain members of the forward line who turn it over on a regular basis. The issue then is that, unless and until he improves his defensive discipline, NDombele will be exposed.

I'm so hopeful that the penny drops with him as I was one of those who saw him as the essential signing for us, the one in the middle that would make everything tick. I seem to recall saying that I thought Kane and Son would be salivating at the prospect of playing with him due to his vision and pass execution.

We've seen glimpses of that, but it's been massively overshadowed by his failings.

He doesn't have to cover every blade of grass, but if he wakes up to the fact that he needs to up his work rate, he could still make a huge difference to us next season. At the moment though, I really can't see him being a positive addition to the team. No good him creating chances if he's also allowing them for the opposition by going missing when we don't have the ball.
 

Ionman34

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I’m not sure why Lucas got so much stick for this game. He can be a little headless at times but his work rate off the ball was fantastic. Exactly what you need from a player when a team need to get out of a slump. Players we have on the bench should take note and they then may not find themselves on the bench for much longer.
Imagine transplanting Moura's work rate into NDombele.

What a player that would be.
 

gavspur

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Jun 24, 2004
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I thought we looked good if not great in the first half. 4-3-3 meant we were actually winning a midfield battle for once. Winks sitting centrally, Sissoko and LoCelso coveting a lot of ground, LoCelso also getting forward. Typical three man midfield performance I thought. One holder, one ball winner, one box to box.
Second half we seemed to switch back to 4-2-3-1 which left Winks trying cover all areas and leaving gaps again. Sissoko looked kinda lost, and LoCelso was often too far forward.
4-3-3 just seems to suit us better, IF we can get the right balance for the roles. I was hoping NDombele would come on for Sissoko and see what difference that would make with our forward play.
 

thebenjamin

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I’m not sure why Lucas got so much stick for this game. He can be a little headless at times but his work rate off the ball was fantastic. Exactly what you need from a player when a team need to get out of a slump. Players we have on the bench should take note and they then may not find themselves on the bench for much longer.

I guess passing to his team mates is too much to ask
 
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