Match Threads Spurs vs Everton - Match Thread

[HedgieSpur]

I really enjoyed this game. Excellent win against a team on form and one of very few teams to get something against liverpool this season.

7 points out of 12 which is a really good restart. It could have been a lot better had the officiating was better in key moments during the games we dropped points.

Its always going to be difficult to create a lot of chances with the current full backs and central midfielders on show who always give 10/10 but lack consistent quality on the ball. Until this is rectified in the tranfer window, we will continue to see matches with few chances. For now, winning football is all that matters. Bored of spurs playing nice and have jackshit to show for it at the end of every season.

1) We have far too little useful squad players. This is our major problem. We are not Liverpool and Man city, and Liverpool would take Moura and Sissoko as part of their squads, and that is not a lie, and if either wanted to leave I guarantee they will be taken by a Champions League regular club. Guaranteed. Meanwhile, other players like Winks, have literally been strongly linked to Man city in January. We do need more squad like players, because we are really imbalanced.

2) Winks was very good today. What do you want instead?

3) Begwijn won't have the impact B Fernandes has had. But there are only a few players in world football who would. Like, seriously.


It's like people who hounded trippier and wanted him out. Now he is a core part of an Atletico team which are much better than us. Sissoko and Winks is a completely imbalanced combination, this is a real problem. But when you have Winks, playing out of position as a n.6, who is learning that position, next to Sissoko who probably needs someone more creative to interact with. Both players would benefit greatly from a n.6 and a n.10. Creating a balanced squad. They both have a future here. Would complete madness for us to sell them and is more likely to do damage than support the team.

The whole liverpool midfield is a bunch of not particularly spectacular squad players, who work hard (with the exception of Fabinho which is a really underrated player). Again, players are tools, if they are useful tools keep them, but you need to balance it. Create the right platform you can make Charlie Adam look world class.

I haven't stopped laughing at the part where you assert that Liverpool would take Sissoko and Moura mate.

 

[HedgieSpur]

is there a good holding midfielder we could get this summer? Move to a CM3 with the holder shielding the back 4. Allow some combo of Winks and GLC to play progressively and a front 3 of Son, SB and Kane

Ibrahim Sangare

 

[emiley heskey]

"I think we lost the game in the fight that was in the middle of the park, I think there we lost a lot of second balls and we were not in total control of the game. It is true that we competed until the end but we didn't create a lot of opportunities and didn't have a lot of chances."

"In the second-half the possession was better and we had more opportunities to find players between the lines but we didn't have a lot of chances. We competed but it wasn't enough."
"We tried to play with more energy in the midfield, using one midfielder more. We defended more or less the same. Offensively we were the same but with Richarlison a little bit more on the right, more than the left."

Carlo Ancelotti

 

[C0YS]

I haven't stopped laughing at the part where you assert that Liverpool would take Sissoko and Moura mate.

Yeh you're right mate they would struggle to displace Nabi Keita, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Shaqri, Origi and Adam lallana in those positions.

They wouldn't start (though there is a case for Sissoko ahead of Wijnaldum). But, mate, the liverpool team is hardly oozing with depth. I think those two players could easily take the position of some of those aforementioned players, and actually both would fit the liverpool template perfectly.

Just for reference, liverpool have only had 12 players to have started more than 10 games. We've had 19.

 

[Kiedis]

A solid, medium block team very much concerned with game state. That's what we've been since the restart (barring some defensive hiccups in Sheffield), it's what Mourinho has been coaching in later years, and it will be the main concept of this team going forward.

I don't think it's a game that gets the most out of our best players. Our best attackers need to get the ball in better positions more often than they're doing right now. If your system relies on Moura and Sissoko and their ability to chase the opposition when they have the ball, then your system needs changing.

 

[C0YS]

Ibrahim Sangare

Might be a talent, but always a strange one to try and take the defensive midfielder of the bottom team of Ligue 1 (not a good division, and imports tend to be of very mixed quality) who have the worst defensive record in ligue 1 and in Europe.

That tends to be a bad sign.

 

[joelstinton14]

Didn't think the performance was great last night but I thought the attitude and application (barring Hugo/Son - even then it showed they cared) of the players was spot on. To be honest if we pushed on for a second it would have been a decent all round performance, we just kind of went through the motions second half. But then Everton didn't do anything in that game.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

We've always been too nice. We need to get a bit nasty.

Not sure about this. We were always up there with City for ‘tactical’ fouls under Poch; not to mention we kicked the shit out of Chelsea that one, bittersweet time.

 

[C0YS]

At the time, when he was getting in the England squad? It’s close surely?

Into a poor England squad, and generally saved his best performances for them. I liked Townsend, he was very one dimensional, cut in and shoot every time and never scored. But, he had a few good games and seemed to enjoy himself. To be honest he is twice the player now than he was then and has had a few decent seasons for palace. Though now can't break into the squad.

Moura got 10 goals last season in the league alone, and is still in with a chance of hitting double digits and has scored more PL goals this season than Townsend has in his entire tottenham career.

Andros Townsend's PL tottenham Career.
50 games 3 goals 4 assists
Complete stats
93 games 11 goals 15 Assists (For what its worth 5 of his goals were penalties, and a third of his assists came in three games vs giants such as Shamrock Rovers and Dymamo Tibliski)

Lucas Moura 19/20
30 games 4 goals 2 assists
complete stats
102 games 23 goals 9 assists


And that's just output. Not their ability to stretch the game blablabla. For what it's worth I thought Townsend was useful and I think he has carved out a very respectable career for himself, playing in a much more mature and intelligent way than he did here.

He was given a go in a weak England team for a friendly. With the likes of Jay Rodriguez, A young Oxlade, Tom Cleverley, Caulker etc. Scored a goal a too so was given a few games in qualifying before disappearing.

 

[slartibartfast]

Unless we win by +3 goals, have CS, +60% possession and +10 shots on target our match will be bad

You should be having 10 plus shots on target! We used to.
Fks sake if I'm a goal keeper and I know I'm only gonna have to deal with 2 shots all fkin match then happy days.

 

[slartibartfast]

Cant see how anyone is taking positives from that match.
We were awful. It was only Everton offering no fight at all and a shit lucky deflection from one of our rarer than a phoenix shots that got our goal.
If we were playing Sheffield United or anyone with fight we'd have lost.
Arsenal are gonna rip us a new asshole.
We cant possibly win as we dont fkin shoot!

 

[stormfly]

I’m not sure why Lucas got so much stick for this game. He can be a little headless at times but his work rate off the ball was fantastic. Exactly what you need from a player when a team need to get out of a slump. Players we have on the bench should take note and they then may not find themselves on the bench for much longer.

 

[jay2040]

Cant see how anyone is taking positives from that match.
We were awful. It was only Everton offering no fight at all and a shit lucky deflection from one of our rarer than a phoenix shots that got our goal.
If we were playing Sheffield United or anyone with fight we'd have lost.
Arsenal are gonna rip us a new asshole.
We cant possibly win as we dont fkin shoot!

Nothing wrong with clean sheet and 3 points! Take each game as it comes and am sure the lads will muster up something for the derby.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Cant see how anyone is taking positives from that match.
We were awful. It was only Everton offering no fight at all and a shit lucky deflection from one of our rarer than a phoenix shots that got our goal.
If we were playing Sheffield United or anyone with fight we'd have lost.
Arsenal are gonna rip us a new asshole.
We cant possibly win as we dont fkin shoot!

No positives? We won and kept a clean sheet. Good god...

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Seduce my ancient footwear.

 

[buckley]

If you watch that game again ( if you have the guts ) and watch Moura you will see why he is not a good player his passing rarely reaches a teammate his one good shooting chance went well wide several times he actually got in the way of team mates combination play almost like he was a defender for the opposition all this is overlooked because he runs about a lot with no product .
I have said many times and I will say it again Jose for some unknown reason rates Moura . Heaven knows what Bergwijn is thinking being benched for this player . He is living a life in the premiership off of one game CL final . WE must have someone who can produce more.
This man is all show and no product .

 

[WiganSpur]

Sorry but what exactly indicates right now that we would win something?

We did not win a huge battle with a tactical master class, we were gifted a goal against a pathetic midtable Everton who could not respond.
If there would be any opponent with a bit more quality and desire we wouldnt have won again.

Just because its Mourinho this tactics is not necessary the way to succes.
I dont think we have the mentality, footballing brains, balls or patience in the squad with this style.

I was no fan of approach even if we have to be pragmatic about the situation.

But this type of comment is bollocks. No matter how lucky, the goal changes the game and clearly changes our approach.

 

[stov]

Mou will be delighted with that, as am I. 3 points. Clean sheet. No injuries. Resolute. Gritty. Unspectacular. Defensively sound. Eric MoM for me. Something to build on.

Defensively solid only because the other team were so limp upfront. Nothing worth building on from this game.

 

[emiley heskey]

I haven't stopped laughing at the part where you assert that Liverpool would take Sissoko and Moura mate.

If Liverpool can take players like Lallana, Shaqiri, Karius, Oxlade Chamberlin, James Milner(34 years old), Henderson- they can also take Sissoko and Moura ... I am sure of that

 

[carpediem991]

I was no fan of approach even if we have to be pragmatic about the situation.

But this type of comment is bollocks. No matter how lucky, the goal changes the game and clearly changes our approach.

Yeah and it changes our approach to pray we don't get a goal against us. Don't see us being good enough defensively to do that succesfully all the time (just see Man United game).
Our best defensive approach was when we had under Poch the ball in the half of the opponent and went for a 2 or 3 goal lead to accept a potential defensive fuck up that can happen with our lot all the time. Even in the best days (Walker e.g.).