Match Threads Spurs vs Bournemouth

[ComfortablyNumb]

Spurs problems have been around long before Ange turned up.

But then each manager has a clear view of what those problems are. Buyer beware…

 

[worcestersauce]

I agree that the players in the positions aren't necessarily the best option.
For example at
RB I'd have Porro
RCB - Romero
LCB - Van de Ven
That's three right there.
I am not really in the market for excuses but too many people make no concessions whatsoever.
Calling for the end of Postecoglu now doesn't sit right with me at all, it just smacks of kneejerk.

 

[TonyK]

That was Poch's choice according to David Pleat.

But was it really?

After the CL final, Poch was quoted saying that the squad needed a total rebuild. He was also quoted saying something along the lines of 'There's no point building a nice house, if you can't afford nice furniture'.

Levy then chose to not invest a single penny in the 2 subsequent transfer windows, the team went to shit and Poch got the bullet.

 

[TonyK]

Does Levy make Ange play the highline?

Does Levy make Ange play the short ball from keeper through the middle?

Does Levy make Ange neglect defensive marking at set pieces or crosses?

Does Levy make Ange play Johnson on the left wing?

Can you convince me that Ange's style of football is working?


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Did Ange deliberately injury 6 of our players in key positions??

Does Ange have proper backup players rather than teenagers in his squad to cover for injuries??

Does Ange have any leaders in his squad?

Did Ange sell HK literally a day before the season kicked off last year?

Did Ange then wait a full year before replacing HK??

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Did Ange deliberately injury 6 of our players in key positions??

Does Ange have proper backup players rather than teenagers in his squad to cover for injuries??

Does Ange have any leaders in his squad?

Did Ange sell HK literally a day before the season kicked off last year?

Did Ange then wait a full year before replacing HK??

The answer to the first question is obviously No but he plays a big part with the training and the way we play. What’s Ben Davies doing with a pulled hamstring, same as last season . Centre backs pulling hamstrings, doesn’t often happen but it does with us. They spend their time racing back from the halfway line. 4 hammys last season and 4 already this season. We were told the injury situation improves in the second season , some hope of that.
Bournemouth are usually all out attacking from the start but they did sit back and played on the break. Happens all the time, just fire the ball out wide, loads of space . They all know how to play us .
Last March I said I hoped he wouldn’t end up like Bielsa because of his refusal to change. He will be like Bielsa and get sacked. Don’t see him here next season unless by some stroke of magic we win a cup.

 

[TonyK]

The answer to the first question is obviously No but he plays a big part with the training and the way we play. What’s Ben Davies doing with a pulled hamstring, same as last season . Centre backs pulling hamstrings, doesn’t often happen but it does with us. They spend their time racing back from the halfway line. 4 hammys last season and 4 already this season. We were told the injury situation improves in the second season , some hope of that.
Bournemouth are usually all out attacking from the start but they did sit back and played on the break. Happens all the time, just fire the ball out wide, loads of space . They all know how to play us .
Last March I said I hoped he wouldn’t end up like Bielsa because of his refusal to change. He will be like Bielsa and get sacked. Don’t see him here next season unless by some stroke of magic we win a cup.

And so we sack Ange and get someone else in. Then what happens???

I suspect you already know.

We've all seen this movie many, many times before!!!

 

[TonyS]

Jerry Jones & Poch to the rescue

 

[mattspur1986]

I think you're right, many folks said afterwards that Poch was inflexible and only wanted his targets but a few years later we can now see the con in its totality and very clearly i.e. Poch likely refused players he didn't' want because it undermined his choices as a coach & he also very likely knew that accepting these cheaper players that club was choosing, was only making a rod for his own back i.e. once he accepted it, there was no way he could go back & blame the club if it didn't work out. So, I think Poch stood his ground (to his & spurs detriment unfortunately). Again, the only guy who won in this situation was DL. As the results became poor, stories started that Poch was inflexible with his targets, and it allowed DL to fire Poch with a smile on his face as it made it seem he was doing the right thing for the football club.

I think you will find that Spence was that example with Conte (club signing) hence as a defiance, he refused to play him. Today still, Ange is getting rinsed by fans for not playing Spence. Again, it's to the player & the clubs detriment to have an asset on the books that is not adding value on the playing side but it also depreciating rapidly in the shop window, not to mention the player himself who's career is wasting away (I'm sure Spence could do well at many other clubs besides spurs). Again, DL hasn't considered these things when penny pinching - it actually costs the club far more than just on the pitch. So yes, whilst DL may not force Ange to play tactics or players - it is DL's grubby fingerprints that are all lover the culture of failure at the club.

Unfortunately, football is secondary to Spurs - this injury crisis, coupled with our poor application of the tactics the manager wants us to play is now showing everyone the real depth of the issue. There are no easy fixes unfortunately and it's going to take a monumental effort to shift the collective aura around the club. The January window will show the hand of DL & the board. If there's investment, then we can maybe ride out the storm & still get some success. But if the same shenanigans get played (hard window to do business in, need to get rid of players, etc.) then it's the end of the road for Ange (and Lange, possibly Munn) so DL can rinse/repeat the strategy & buy another 2–3-year cycle of nothing.

It's so hard to stay positive about spurs right now, as a fan, i want to support the team through thick & thin but it's becoming harder to identify with spurs when it's groundhog day for so many years & managers now. Still.....COYS!

Couldn’t agree with this post more if I tried, especially with football being a secondary factor in the hierarchy’s thinking, we are now an entertainment company, which I think was always the long term plan.

if we had any success on the pitch it would had just been a happy coincidence, thing is levy has ZERO accountability and gets away with waaaaay too much.

he will never ever change, and managers who come in know this and are happy about.

a few years ago, this whole situation would have had me absolutely raging, and the loss last night would had put me a mood for days.

but along side me having kids now, and the fact I’m just soooo MEH about everything about the club - I just don’t care as much as I used to, and that in itself is what I think A LOT of our gan base are feeling, and it’s just sad.

take me back to the poch era ( yes we won naff all again) but fuck me, we were fantastic to watch, and a genuinely likeable bunch of players too.

 

[bubble07]

The question to be asked is why it took 56 minutes for Postecoglu to realize that Kulusevski in the right and Johnson on the left wasn’t working especially against a team happy to sit deep and hit us in the counterattack? Kulusevski can’t/won’t use his right foot to put a cross in. Johnson on the left is like the invisible man. Doesn’t look for the ball, comes inside to early giving no width and when he does stay wide doesn’t take on his man. Felt sorry for Solanke who had no service at all from the wide positions and with Maddison sitting too deep found himself coming deep looking for the ball. All round a pretty pathetic display. Bournemouth should have scored 3 or 4 more in the second half. We’re a team with no bottle, with no battlers willing to fight to gain control of games.

Yea was saying this during the game. This one I just can't understand his thought process

Johnson main and probably only strength is attacking the back post but that was negated playing from the left as he wasn't doing it

 

[TheHodFather]

But was it really?

After the CL final, Poch was quoted saying that the squad needed a total rebuild. He was also quoted saying something along the lines of 'There's no point building a nice house, if you can't afford nice furniture'.

Levy then chose to not invest a single penny in the 2 subsequent transfer windows, the team went to shit and Poch got the bullet.

I don't think you're right on the timing there. I thought it was the two windows immediately before the CL final where we bought nobody. The summer after the CL final we spent fairly heavily. The problem was that we spent heavily on Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon and Clarke.

 

[ernie78]

Jose said it - we need to be *****s, clever ****s
But instead we’re soft ****s

I think we are too nice as a team. I think Sonny is a good club captain but possibly not what we need in a game.
I don’t like it but they should have been surrounding the referee.

 

[jurgen11]

The best bits were when my Broadband kept dropping and it froze Amazon

 

[sundanceyid10]

Wanted leaders everywhere, pitch and boardroom.

 

[cliff jones]

Didn't get up to watch at 4am this time. But just watched the first half. It wasn't THAT bad.

Just one stupid fkin corner. Not quite clicking in the front third. Dunno why Johnson is on the left either.

Shall I endure the second galf or just leave it there...?

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

Didn't get up to watch at 4am this time. But just watched the first half. It wasn't THAT bad.

Just one stupid fkin corner. Not quite clicking in the front third. Dunno why Johnson is on the left either.

Shall I endure the second galf or just leave it there...?

Until Davies goes off then immediately turn it off

 

[Springerding]

I think you're right, many folks said afterwards that Poch was inflexible and only wanted his targets but a few years later we can now see the con in its totality and very clearly i.e. Poch likely refused players he didn't' want because it undermined his choices as a coach & he also very likely knew that accepting these cheaper players that club was choosing, was only making a rod for his own back i.e. once he accepted it, there was no way he could go back & blame the club if it didn't work out. So, I think Poch stood his ground (to his & spurs detriment unfortunately). Again, the only guy who won in this situation was DL. As the results became poor, stories started that Poch was inflexible with his targets, and it allowed DL to fire Poch with a smile on his face as it made it seem he was doing the right thing for the football club.

I think you will find that Spence was that example with Conte (club signing) hence as a defiance, he refused to play him. Today still, Ange is getting rinsed by fans for not playing Spence. Again, it's to the player & the clubs detriment to have an asset on the books that is not adding value on the playing side but it also depreciating rapidly in the shop window, not to mention the player himself who's career is wasting away (I'm sure Spence could do well at many other clubs besides spurs). Again, DL hasn't considered these things when penny pinching - it actually costs the club far more than just on the pitch. So yes, whilst DL may not force Ange to play tactics or players - it is DL's grubby fingerprints that are all lover the culture of failure at the club.

Unfortunately, football is secondary to Spurs - this injury crisis, coupled with our poor application of the tactics the manager wants us to play is now showing everyone the real depth of the issue. There are no easy fixes unfortunately and it's going to take a monumental effort to shift the collective aura around the club. The January window will show the hand of DL & the board. If there's investment, then we can maybe ride out the storm & still get some success. But if the same shenanigans get played (hard window to do business in, need to get rid of players, etc.) then it's the end of the road for Ange (and Lange, possibly Munn) so DL can rinse/repeat the strategy & buy another 2–3-year cycle of nothing.

It's so hard to stay positive about spurs right now, as a fan, i want to support the team through thick & thin but it's becoming harder to identify with spurs when it's groundhog day for so many years & managers now. Still.....COYS!

Very well put and mirrors my thoughts exactly.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

A decent coach would get us playing to our strengths and address weaknesses. He’s done nothing. He has his philosophy and is too stubborn to change anything. Eddie Howe or the Bournemouth manager would probs do a good job with our players.

Eddie Howe has Newcastle in 12th with no European distractions. Let’s stop this theory.

 

[UbeAstard]

But was it really?

After the CL final, Poch was quoted saying that the squad needed a total rebuild. He was also quoted saying something along the lines of 'There's no point building a nice house, if you can't afford nice furniture'.

Levy then chose to not invest a single penny in the 2 subsequent transfer windows, the team went to shit and Poch got the bullet.

You didnt listen to the interview with the club insider David Pleat who was giving facts on Talksport 3 weeks ago then? But I dont believe it will make a difference to people who want to maintain the Levy out stance, they will just carry on insisting it was Levy who didnt back Pochettino just as they carry on spouting ridiculous statements such as Levy doesnt want to win anything, isnt a supporter and is more interested in lining his pocket. Levy hasnt been the raging success we all want but the barrage of non factual statements, ridiculous statements and insults is created to try to tip the fan base who have a different opinion toward those who believe their opinion is king.

 

[UbeAstard]

I think it was he didn’t want the players offered to him. But I may have remembered it wrong

Nope, that's not what Pleat said, he said Poch was happy with the squad and indicated he didn't need anything else, hopefully someone else who listened can pop up and agree. This was on the White and Jordan program which I listen to every day, they then followed up and touched on this days later by asking whether Levy should have insisted on improving the squad. This wont suit the narrative of people who have banged on at every occasion that Levy didn't back Poch when we needed the improvement.
And we are talking about the same Pochettino who hasn't said a bad word about Levy, also would have jumped at the chance to come back to work at Spurs.

 

[mano-obe]

Watched the second half and it was like watching kids play. Forster kicking it to the opposition twice was like watching elementary school stuff. The way they carved us open every 3 minutes and missed sitters was just as laughable as the performance.

Sooner we get some players back fit the better