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Match Threads Spurs vs Bournemouth

Date
Dec 5, 2024
KO Time
8:15 pm
Score
0 - 1

Match Prediction

  • Spurs Win

    Votes: 28 28.9%
  • Bournemouth Win

    Votes: 51 52.6%
  • Draw

    Votes: 18 18.6%

  • Total voters
    97

FloridaSpur

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I'm going to sidestep away from our current squad on this one, but It has nothing to do with Ange, Conte, Jose, or anyone else. We have a chairman who is selling a product, premier league football experience, to anyone who wants to buy it. He cares not about glory or legacy, purely profit. He claims to be a fan, but he isn't. I do believe we have the worst owners of any other club in the premiership.
Does Levy make Ange play the highline?

Does Levy make Ange play the short ball from keeper through the middle?

Does Levy make Ange neglect defensive marking at set pieces or crosses?

Does Levy make Ange play Johnson on the left wing?

Can you convince me that Ange's style of football is working?


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DenverSpur

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Sep 25, 2011
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The question to be asked is why it took 56 minutes for Postecoglu to realize that Kulusevski in the right and Johnson on the left wasn’t working especially against a team happy to sit deep and hit us in the counterattack? Kulusevski can’t/won’t use his right foot to put a cross in. Johnson on the left is like the invisible man. Doesn’t look for the ball, comes inside to early giving no width and when he does stay wide doesn’t take on his man. Felt sorry for Solanke who had no service at all from the wide positions and with Maddison sitting too deep found himself coming deep looking for the ball. All round a pretty pathetic display. Bournemouth should have scored 3 or 4 more in the second half. We’re a team with no bottle, with no battlers willing to fight to gain control of games.
 
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DenverSpur

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I can't see how Ange can come out and defend that. I just can't see how we're developing in the way he suggests. I accept injuries, but our performances have poor for forbade notable proportion of games since October-23. Yes we have had some highs, but on aggregate we're not improving.

Our front players aren't good enough as a collective - Richy never available, Son looks on the decline now, Solanke is hard working and solid, but not a top PL striker, Johnson's general play is largely non-existent, Werner has a go but doesn't have the end product and Odobert hasn't been available. That's quite depressing to type out.

Not sure where we go from here.
You missed out Kulusevski who doesn’t have a right foot.
 

Hazelton

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Jul 11, 2011
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We've won 4 of our last 18 away games

Where's the inconsistency?
That's fair but it's also 18 wins, 18 losses in our last 42 games and our last 8 reads LWLWLWDL which is about as inconsistent as it gets. There's definitely glimpses and games where we look brilliant, just not back to back.
 

Dakes

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Jan 28, 2020
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I didn't watch the game but the comments read in line with what I expected. I'm not disappointed, just apathetic.
 

sundanceyid10

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Does Levy make Ange play the highline?

Does Levy make Ange play the short ball from keeper through the middle?

Does Levy make Ange neglect defensive marking at set pieces or crosses?

Does Levy make Ange play Johnson on the left wing?

Can you convince me that Ange's style of football is working?


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Spurs problems have been around long before Ange turned up.
 

mickman

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Genuinely interested if anyone can explain what we gain from the inverted fullbacks. We obviously give away a lot of wide space to attacking teams, so what are we gaining to make it worhwhile?
 

14/04/91

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Genuinely interested if anyone can explain what we gain from the inverted fullbacks. We obviously give away a lot of wide space to attacking teams, so what are we gaining to make it worhwhile?

It’s meant to put us into a 2-3-5 shape in possession, thereby controlling the midfield and overloading up top.
As you say, the downside is how much space the opposition have in their wide attacking areas. And a good counter attacking team will exploit that if everyone is not working their bollocks off to get back into 4-3-3 out of possession.
 

SA_Spurs

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I think it was he didn’t want the players offered to him. But I may have remembered it wrong
I think you're right, many folks said afterwards that Poch was inflexible and only wanted his targets but a few years later we can now see the con in its totality and very clearly i.e. Poch likely refused players he didn't' want because it undermined his choices as a coach & he also very likely knew that accepting these cheaper players that club was choosing, was only making a rod for his own back i.e. once he accepted it, there was no way he could go back & blame the club if it didn't work out. So, I think Poch stood his ground (to his & spurs detriment unfortunately). Again, the only guy who won in this situation was DL. As the results became poor, stories started that Poch was inflexible with his targets, and it allowed DL to fire Poch with a smile on his face as it made it seem he was doing the right thing for the football club.

I think you will find that Spence was that example with Conte (club signing) hence as a defiance, he refused to play him. Today still, Ange is getting rinsed by fans for not playing Spence. Again, it's to the player & the clubs detriment to have an asset on the books that is not adding value on the playing side but it also depreciating rapidly in the shop window, not to mention the player himself who's career is wasting away (I'm sure Spence could do well at many other clubs besides spurs). Again, DL hasn't considered these things when penny pinching - it actually costs the club far more than just on the pitch. So yes, whilst DL may not force Ange to play tactics or players - it is DL's grubby fingerprints that are all lover the culture of failure at the club.

Unfortunately, football is secondary to Spurs - this injury crisis, coupled with our poor application of the tactics the manager wants us to play is now showing everyone the real depth of the issue. There are no easy fixes unfortunately and it's going to take a monumental effort to shift the collective aura around the club. The January window will show the hand of DL & the board. If there's investment, then we can maybe ride out the storm & still get some success. But if the same shenanigans get played (hard window to do business in, need to get rid of players, etc.) then it's the end of the road for Ange (and Lange, possibly Munn) so DL can rinse/repeat the strategy & buy another 2–3-year cycle of nothing.

It's so hard to stay positive about spurs right now, as a fan, i want to support the team through thick & thin but it's becoming harder to identify with spurs when it's groundhog day for so many years & managers now. Still.....COYS!
 
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Japhet

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You are correct. It is nonsense. Winning one and losing another is three points.
Beating Man City pool and Chelsea is 9 points.
Losing to three relegation teams is losing 9 points.
So we’ve done nothing here.

I'd much rather we beat the teams we should be beating to be honest. Thrashing City but caving in to the likes of Palace, Fulham and Bournemouth just stinks the place out with lack of application or commitment. At least if we beat those teams I'd feel like we were in a position to hunt down those above us.
 

Caco

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Nov 2, 2004
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Does Levy make Ange play the highline?

Does Levy make Ange play the short ball from keeper through the middle?

Does Levy make Ange neglect defensive marking at set pieces or crosses?

Does Levy make Ange play Johnson on the left wing?

Can you convince me that Ange's style of football is working?


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Would you expect the attitude of the players in this squad to change drastically under a different manager? Would you expect the ambition of the club to change significantly if Ange was replaced tomorrow? I'm not disputing stats, anyone watching the game can see that we were being hit on the break, but numbers don't tell the full story. Do the numbers illustrate that almost all of those counter attacks came on the back of us being in their final third with players in support, but chose to slow down at the key moment, rather than have a go? No leaders on the pitch, no leaders in general at the club.
 

AustrianHotspur

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It’s meant to put us into a 2-3-5 shape in possession, thereby controlling the midfield and overloading up top.
As you say, the downside is how much space the opposition have in their wide attacking areas. And a good counter attacking team will exploit that if everyone is not working their bollocks off to get back into 4-3-3 out of possession.
That makes sense, but I often have the feeling that the formation corresponds to Ange's ideas, but the wrong players are occupying the positions. While Udogie and Porro are doing what they're supposed to do in this system, I think it's preventing them from really playing to their strengths. This is especially the case with Udogie. And also Porro would be much more effective in the spaces that Johnson occupies, Johnson would be more effective if that meant he was more in the center. On the other side, it's similar with Udogie and Son. Even if Son is better on the wing than in the center. But actually only when we counterattack and not when we have the ball for a long time. Just my opinion.
 

spurmin

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1-0 down with 15 mins to go and they should be screaming at the ref for Bournemouth to take their throw ins and goal kicks. The fact that they just let them take their time annoyed me. Get in the refs ear.
 

Stamford

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1-0 down with 15 mins to go and they should be screaming at the ref for Bournemouth to take their throw ins and goal kicks. The fact that they just let them take their time annoyed me. Get in the refs ear.

No fight in this team. Joke of a captain.
 

spurmin

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Feb 8, 2005
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No fight in this team. Joke of a captain.
I think we are too nice as a team. I think Sonny is a good club captain but possibly not what we need in a game.
I don’t like it but they should have been surrounding the referee.
 

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