Match Threads Spurs vs Bayern Munich - Match Thread

[ardiles]

you know what's worst

we played a good game before gangbang started

That’s the problem we’ve been having this season. We seem to start off well in most of our games, take the lead, then fizzle out. What has happened to the ‘legendary’ Poch levels of match fitness?

 

[Fidget]

How can a manager even consider winning a match when he's got a whole back line that doesn't want to be at the club? How has Poch allowed himself to get into this position? He should've walked last summer when he didn't get any signings, a team will never progress if it doesn't upgrade at least one 1st team player each and every season! Poch is finished at this club after tonight, but I lay the blame firmly at Levy's door, he's failed to back every manager at the crucial moment every time!!!

It's all or nothing with some of you isn't it. Something is wrong. We don't know who, what or why. They are mostly good players and Poch is a good manager. Let's hope it gets sorted.

Ten months.

 

[rossdapep]

******** hell! I couldn't watch the game so only just seen the score.


Losing 7-2 at home is against. We haven't looked good defensively for a long while now and whilst we certainly have contract issues on two players, we aren't setting up with any defensive resolve anymore either. Become very easy to get at.

 

[MichaelPawson]

My main issue is not that we were orders of magnitude worse than we have been the past few months (though we were bad after the first 30 minutes). It's that we faced a team that's our complete attitudinal inverse. A loss was inevitable once the midfield tired itself out covering for some of the worst fullback play I've ever seen, but we could have still had a 4-2 loss that would have been educational and (in some parts) gave us reasons for optimism. But we played a team that, though they may get beaten, never folds and never gives up. And Spurs did both. Again.

We're not only far away from contending for Europe in a few key positions, we're far away in terms of our professionalism as well.

 

[Shadydan]

Everyone says Poch is a brilliant coach and makes players perform to a high level, but it’s evident that he’s not as good as everyone thinks. Niko Kovac has managed to coach a giant European team filled with big personalities and make them perform like they did today, yet Poch can’t coach our players to even pass to each other.

Yeah let's ignore 90% of his time with us at the club shall we.

 

[The Opinionated Lurker]

Honestly I think most of the squad and manager should go and we start again. Although ENIC are ENIC so I’m even more worried

 

[Roberts84]

That's fair. But what about the other 'professional' footballers, that are talented (we've seen what they can do), that just gave up. Why do we not question their commitment/attitude? They are the ones after all, playing the game.

The goals against were tactical mistakes and it was obvious from the first minute. This was a tactical issue. Poch is at fault for this result and no one else

 

[seppo]

Compare this to how Aurier & co is making their way back when they've been outplayed by a hoofball from Bayerns CBs. I love Pochettino and everything he's done, but it's a management issue.

 

[deka-]

To be fair, 7 goals on 2.1 xG is outrageous. Their finishing tonight was as clinical as you will ever see. Doesn't mean there aren't massive, massive problems at the club at the moment, but their finishing was genuinely as good as it gets.

Mate can I ask where did you get the 2.1 xG info? Thanks

 

[Gassin's finest]

Midfield is the absolute weakness. The sooner we get Tanguy and Celso up to speed the better.

Also buy new full backs.

 

[glacierSpurs]

@cooperfield and anyone else WTFing my Kane post. What part of his game has improved since he beat Salah to the golden boot? More goals? No. More assissts? No? Headed goals? Don't make me laugh. CL goals? No. When was he pivotal to a crucial win? He has stagnated. It's plain as day. Denial is a bitch though.

Because Kane is untouchable here and everywhere.

I really like him, but must also put up my hands and admit his play is lacking ambitions now. Salah becomes better and he becomes worse.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

@cooperfield and anyone else WTFing my Kane post. What part of his game has improved since he beat Salah to the golden boot? More goals? No. More assissts? No? Headed goals? Don't make me laugh. CL goals? No. When was he pivotal to a crucial win? He has stagnated. It's plain as day. Denial is a bitch though.

The problem with Kane is the lack of alternative...
Can’t take him off when there is no striker on the bench and can’t rest him(let’s not pretend Son and Lucas can genuinely do that job).

 

[fecka]

I believe my post to be at least partly, but I do agree with you. For Levy has held this club back at crucial moments when he needed to speculate and trust the manager of the player staff, but he has betrayed each manager who has shown the potential of lifting our club to glory at each of those ceucial moments. I think it's now painfully clear that Levy/Lewis/ENIC are into this project for one thing and one thing only, shit loads of cash when they sell the club!!! It's obvious to everyone that events on the pitch do not really matter to them.

ENIC runs the club like a business, just like most clubs do and they're very successful at that. We're the only top 6 team that has won fuck all since Poch took over. Is that really Levy's fault?
Didn't he just back Poch with 2 midfielders over £50m each and one of the most coveted prospects in England this summer?
Despite that Poch has been sulky, moody and unfocused for most of the season. Poch used to assume responsibility and back both Levy and his players. Now he's deflecting blame and repeatedly calling out his players instead.
For what end? Does he genuinely think that embarrassing his players will make them perform better? It just doesn't work that way. They might all be very well paid but the players are still regular human beings with basic emotions just like the lot of us.

 

[mil1lion]

I think Poch will be given this one write off season and then finish rebuilding in the summer. I'm not expecting anything this season now which is hard to take as early as this. I'm just numb to all the shit right now.

 

[Gb160]

Thing is, you’re not just paying for the football, you’re paying for a world class stadium and facilities.

Did you stick around after to have a beer and a dance with the band?

 

[yiddopaul]

Our players got their 'runners up' CL medal, thought they'd arrived.

 

[jonnyrotten]

To be fair, 7 goals on 2.1 xG is outrageous. Their finishing tonight was as clinical as you will ever see. Doesn't mean there aren't massive, massive problems at the club at the moment, but their finishing was genuinely as good as it gets.

2.1 XG, there we go! We could easily have won that by half time.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

How can you be so sure? Isn't his job motivating and keeping the players together? If they were happy, why would they leave? And if they're unhappy, why are they unhappy?

Money and contracts. And we tried to sell Rose, Aurier and Toby. Now they're starting for us in big games. But they know they won't be here next season. How is Poch supposed to motivate them?

My main issue with Poch is his absolute reluctance on wingers. He has never used them and even our wide players like Son and Lucas he prefers them playing inside. We have seen today what having good wingers can do yet Poch chooses to make things worse by playing Kane, Son and Dele all on top of each other when we have fullbacks who have average delivery at best.

 

[ardiles]

I'm not sure Poch is the problem. There's clearly issues going on behind the scenes (the last rumour being Jan was caught wooding Eriksen's wife).

I think Poch will need to make big decisions to manage the team (not footballing wise)

The problem doesn’t lie with just one person but Poch is one of them.

 

[shoggy33]

We're on horrid form and just conceded 7 at home.

Don't insult people's intelligence by claiming people will kneejerk.

Think you've misunderstood my point mate.

 

[Stamford]

We're on horrid form and just conceded 7 at home.

Don't insult people's intelligence by claiming people will kneejerk.

He's not. He's being sarcastic because everyone who has been saying this for awhile gets called knee jerk when its obvious to anyone who watches this week in week out that something hasn't been right for over a year now.