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spud

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I was so pissed off by the VAR decision, but come to think of it (and having time to cool off), we've been so lucky in the past and had VAR in our favor. This time we did not.
Pardon?

Do you mean when City had a goal disallowed in the last minute of the CL quarter final? That was a correctly-given offside. Possibly the Llorente 'handball' in the same game? That was a correct interpretation of the law.

Did the handball against Sissoko in the CL final favour us? That was an incorrect interpretation of handball that the VAR failed to overturn.

Perhaps I'm missing something. Exactly what incorrect decisions have we benefitted from?
 

spud

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Looking at it the other way 'round, if the call for goal were to stand, we would never had this discussion. We would be happy celebration three points (most likely) and saluting VAR; again!

We need to get used to it that VAR is gonna favor or overrule. This is what everyone wanted
Your're right: if the goal had stood we wouldn't be having this discussion. Why? Because the VAR wouldn't have made a fucking horrible decision that in all probability cost us three points. But you can bet that we would've had it at some stage because there are going to be a lot more clusterfucks if they don't change the way that the VAR system is being implemented.

This is categorically NOT what everyone wanted. What everybody wanted - and what VAR is for - is to ensure that bad decisions are corrected and good ones stand. That is a very long way from where it is now. Unless and until the PL and POGMOL (or whatever the fuck they're called) change the way that it is being used, the VAR system is simply unfit for purpose.
 

Gassin's finest

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Either we implement the screen on the sideline, for the referee to review, like they do in every other competition, or it gets binned for the rest of the season.

Its ruining games.
 

daryl hannah

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It does seem like there's a mini court-case every time a decision of note needs to be made and the ref is deferring to some unknown in a gimp cupboard who appears to make decisions depending on 'how they feel' that day.
 

onthetwo

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It does seem like there's a mini court-case every time a decision of note needs to be made and the ref is deferring to some unknown in a gimp cupboard who appears to make decisions depending on 'how they feel' that day.
thats the thing isnt it, we dont know who made the call to award Sonny a Red card for a trip do we?
 

Shadydan

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thats the thing isnt it, we dont know who made the call to award Sonny a Red card for a trip do we?

Yeah the ref, he changed his mind due to the severity, I actually understand why he did it at the time but it should be overturned to a yellow IMO
 

Dundalk_Spur

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It's been said over and over, the problem with VAR is it's the same arseholes that are going out or their way to not give us decisions when they ref our games are in charge of VAR, when not.

Plus the PL need to look at Atkinson he is not fit to referee anymore. His ignoring of a couple of elbows/arms in the face led directly to Sons tackle. The man is so arrogant.
 

muppetman

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How can rugby do it so well and football do it so badly? I understand that they are very different games but the way you can see it on the big screen, you can hear the conversation and understand why the decision has been made (even if you disagree) is so much better than the current "twat in the centre stands with his finger in his ear for 10 minutes" situation.

It's bad on telly but I find it even worse in the ground, either fix it or bin it but I can't see either happening unfortunately.


I'm with this guy:

 

Thewobbler

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So on MOTD 2 the presenter said VAR looked at 26 replays for the alli handball and it took 3 minutes. Embarrassing
 

Shadydan

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So on MOTD 2 the presenter said VAR looked at 26 replays for the alli handball and it took 3 minutes. Embarrassing

Wasn't clear and obvious then. :shifty:

VAR should take 30 seconds max, if it needs to take longer the ref should be going over to the screen, whole thing's a mess.
 

'O Zio

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Wasn't clear and obvious then. :shifty:

VAR should take 30 seconds max, if it needs to take longer the ref should be going over to the screen, whole thing's a mess.

Exactly. If it takes that many replays and that much time then it's not clear and obvious by default IMO. I'm not in favour of a concrete time limit, but some common sense had to prevail surely.
 
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Ever since Poch had a go at Mike Dean versus Burnley, it seems like the PGMO have unofficially decided they'll do us no favours.

Quite interesting really how referees could, in theory, get a manager sacked if they decided not to give decisions on the basis of 'benefit of doubt', then the spiralling frustration etc.
 

Shadydan

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Ever since Poch had a go at Mike Dean versus Burnley, it seems like the PGMO have unofficially decided they'll do us no favours.

Quite interesting really how referees could, in theory, get a manager sacked if they decided not to give decisions on the basis of 'benefit of doubt', then the spiralling frustration etc.

Vertonghen on Deulofeu wasn't too long ago so I'm not sure that's the case.
 
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Vertonghen on Deulofeu wasn't too long ago so I'm not sure that's the case.

VAR is still VAR, but I'm not sure how many PL penalties we've had out of it despite some pretty shocking fouls.

I've often thought Kane's leicester goal was borne out of the knowledge that he hadn't a cat in hell's chance of getting a penalty if he went down.
 

Stevespurs71

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For me VAR is killing the game, It’s making football boring. Don’t watch half as many games & am considering cancelling SKY (onions)
 

LeParisien

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The only clear and obvious error it failed to address yday was Son red card imo.

The only other error was Everton should have had a pen.
 

nicdic

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The only clear and obvious error it failed to address yday was Son red card imo.

The only other error was Everton should have had a pen.
We should have had a penalty on Son. And I’m not convinced that the handball was worthy of a penalty.
 

Wsussexspur

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Problem the premier league with VAR boils down to two Things in my opinion! 1, as per usual we were too arrogant to implement VAR like the rest of the top European leagues have done.. we have decided to go by our own rules such as the referees not being allowed to check pitch side monitors. 2, the referees in the premier league are sub standard and not good enough! There is a reason why none of our referees were chosen to referee in the World Cup last year!
 

1882andallthat

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So on MOTD 2 the presenter said VAR looked at 26 replays for the alli handball and it took 3 minutes. Embarrassing
It was not at all dissimilar to the amount of replays of Llorente goal that was eventually given in last season's CL quarter final.
 

LeParisien

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We should have had a penalty on Son. And I’m not convinced that the handball was worthy of a penalty.
Im not convinced by that. Son clearly throws himself to floor.

Is the argument that dele was leant on and his hand gesture was a response to the foul ?
 
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