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Trotter

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By saying that Kane is initiating contact you are insinuating that he's looking for the foul - ie dive are you not?

Not at all, I am saying Kane wasn't even necessarily looking for a foul, there was way more than enough contact to bring him down, just we have difference of opinion on the cause of that contact.

That is not the same as what Bale used to do, or what Hazard or Salah does, feel or even anticipate a little bit contact and exaggerates a fall.
Those are dives, what happened here was a genuine coming together, no diving involved at all.
 
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robbiedee

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I've read various comments from former players, ex-refs and other fans (ours and opponents) that vary from the sublime to the ridiculous...

I've watched the replay dozens of times now and can't see how it wasn't anything other than a penalty.

Firstly, I think Lascelles dives, not stumbles, dives across Kane. He is looking up the whole time trying to get is body across Kane, starting with his right arm, followed by his upper body. If Kane has stepped to his left, the movement is minimal. Kane plants his left leg which then gets caught with Lascelles diving body, bringing him down.

I've tried to see it differently, but even after taking off my spurs tinted glasses, I think its pen.

No point crying over spilled milk though, it's happened and will happen again. We benefited from VAR last week and this week it seems to have bitten us on the bum. Fingers crossed it benefits us again next week.

Ultimately, I think VAR is a good thing, it's just taking a bit of getting used to. Especially with tight or contentious decisions.
 

Phomesy

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It's just incredible. Even if Kane goes searching for contact he never makes it. All contact is caused by Lascelles stumble then throwing forward. That is what the vision clearly shows.

The "Kane moves across crowd" would have an argument if Kane's movement had in some way caused the contact. It doesn't.

That's why its a clear and obvious penalty.

Sheesh.
 

Monkey boy

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That’s the first time that I’ve seen that and all I can say is wow, people are suggesting that Kane dived? How Mike Dean is still allowed to referee our games is quite frankly ridiculous.
 

fletch82

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Just watched the villa disallowed goal
I was all for var as I thought it might cut out the favourite team bias.
But if this is what it's going to be like I see no point in it.
Far to many incompetent refs dean ,friend etc and var will not over rule their mistakes so i see little point in it personally.
 

SugarRay

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Just watched the villa disallowed goal
I was all for var as I thought it might cut out the favourite team bias.
But if this is what it's going to be like I see no point in it.
Far to many incompetent refs dean ,friend etc and var will not over rule their mistakes so i see little point in it personally.

VAR couldn’t overrule that decision I believe.

The problem with VAR is the refs aren’t allowed to watch the footage and it’s all an old boys club as mentioned elsewhere in here.

VAR is so simple and easy to use it doesn’t actually require a fully qualified elite level referee. Could quite easily have an ex player running it. The refs are not going to overrule each other because they have a tight little community. That’s been massively overlooked.

Mind you, knowing how these things go, even if they did get in an ex pro it would end up being Phil Thompson or Steve McManaman and Salah would get 45 penalties a match
 

fletch82

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VAR couldn’t overrule that decision I believe.

The problem with VAR is the refs aren’t allowed to watch the footage and it’s all an old boys club as mentioned elsewhere in here.

VAR is so simple and easy to use it doesn’t actually require a fully qualified elite level referee. Could quite easily have an ex player running it. The refs are not going to overrule each other because they have a tight little community. That’s been massively overlooked.

Mind you, knowing how these things go, even if they did get in an ex pro it would end up being Phil Thompson or Steve McManaman and Salah would get 45 penalties a match

Why would it be impossible?

It would be borderline impossible to have a ex player without bias.

I don't know what the answer is but this as it is just isn't working.
 

buckley

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What I would like to know is this if a player makes an awful dangerous or violent tackle he is punished either by a red card or by a retrospective punishment and yet referees can make decisions like last week in the Newcastle game and this weekend in the Villa game .
For the referees there is no punishment and referees like Dean can go willy nilly making or not making clear decisions that are outrageously bad . Where is the fairness I see none; nil ; zilch ; zero ; nothing.
 

easley91

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Sokratis is a nutter. He kept pushing our players into offside positions just prior to free kicks being taken then moans at them as if he was fouled.
 

LeParisien

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Personally thought it was outside the box... But was a free kick.

Can't explain that one myself. The argument will be that it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error'.
I can see why their job is difficult. I thought Alli was inside the box and a clear pen. I thought Kane looked for it and whilst he was pushed, it was a 50-50 call.
 

Gb160

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Sokratis is a nutter. He kept pushing our players into offside positions just prior to free kicks being taken then moans at them as if he was fouled.
That other turd, Mustafi was famous for that.
 

Ionman34

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I can see why their job is difficult. I thought Alli was inside the box and a clear pen. I thought Kane looked for it and whilst he was pushed, it was a 50-50 call.
There was a similar incident earlier in the match where lacazette stepped across in front of Toby just as he was challenging for the ball. Free kick given to Arsenal on the edge of our box which Pepe put wide.

Personally I don’t think either are really fouls as both Lacazette and Kane look to initiate a foul, so play on should be the call. However, Atkinson set the precedent by awarding Lacazette the free kick, so Kane should definitely have been awarded the penalty based on that alone.

Once again, we have a referee making inconsistent decisions that benefit our opponents when we are denied the same metric.
 
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