Spurs and VAR

TottenhamLegend

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I know everyone says this, but is it actually happening? No one seems to be celebrating any less.
Think it will gradually get more and more noticeable as more and more sets of fans are hit with their first, second and third disallowed goals, and so on. A few disallowed Spurs goals will lead to apprehension hanging over it. Any goal which looks remotely close to offside (e.g. Kane's winner vs Villa) will have somewhat reduced celebrations.

I am mates with a Brighton fan and he was at the West Ham game. He commented how muted their goal celebrations were on Saturday after they had earlier had one disallowed.
 

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No I think people like trotting it out as a line, but it's not a thing. People are still going to celebrate in the moment as they always would have.
 

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VAR is joyless, miserable horseshit. I want sport, not science. I like uncertainty and chaos. They're fun. They're part of the game. Clinical administrative precision is not. I'm open to changing my mind, but at the moment VAR is all rolling out exactly as I feared it would.
 

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No I think people like trotting it out as a line, but it's not a thing. People are still going to celebrate in the moment as they always would have.
I'm literally talking from my own personal experience (Kane goal), as well as a friend's (Brighton goal). This isn't a hypothetical. It's happening already.

Fortunately both our goals at City were "clean" with no reason to be disallowed, so I went as mental as always in the away end.
 

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VAR is joyless, miserable horseshit. I want sport, not science. I like uncertainty and chaos. They're fun. They're part of the game. Clinical administrative precision is not. I'm open to changing my mind, but at the moment VAR is all rolling out exactly as I feared it would.
I dont understand how you can subscribe to this view. VAR adds an incredible amount of joy. The emotion from feeling you've lost in the last minute, to having it ruled out is immense. Satisfied you've not lost because of a shit call that the ref missed
 

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I dont understand how you can subscribe to this view. VAR adds an incredible amount of joy. The emotion from feeling you've lost in the last minute, to having it ruled out is immense. Satisfied you've not lost because of a shit call that the ref missed
Clearly different people enjoy different things, I personally don't enjoy VAR.
 

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I'm literally talking from my own personal experience (Kane goal), as well as a friend's (Brighton goal). This isn't a hypothetical. It's happening already.

Fortunately both our goals at City were "clean" with no reason to be disallowed, so I went as mental as always in the away end.
No one thought there was anything wrong with City's who knows you could have missed something with Lucas'. You shouldn't have celebrated just in case if you really felt like that.
 

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I like it because it's benefitted us in 2 major calls.

I guarantee most of our fans would be dead against it and shouting '"conspiracy!" If the shoe had been on the other foot.
Only the morons.
 

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VAR is joyless, miserable horseshit. I want sport, not science. I like uncertainty and chaos. They're fun. They're part of the game. Clinical administrative precision is not. I'm open to changing my mind, but at the moment VAR is all rolling out exactly as I feared it would.
Do you also like weak, malleable officials who will bend to every childish, toy throwing whim of players, managers and fans of the biggest clubs that don't like one of their decisions?
 
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No one thought there was anything wrong with City's who knows you could have missed something with Lucas'. You shouldn't have celebrated just in case if you really felt like that.
You see, you've actually just described the issue perfectly. So many goals *could* be disallowed that the celebrations until it's confirmed will be somewhat impacted.
 

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I hardly see it as any different from seeing a player celebrate and the offside flag is raised to be honest, it just takes a while longer. I've always had a fear that all of our goals will be ruled out for some reason though.
 

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No I think people like trotting it out as a line, but it's not a thing. People are still going to celebrate in the moment as they always would have.
It was (obviously) my own choice not to, but I didn't celebrate Kane's 1st goal either. Strangely enough not to do with any potential offside, but because sat in North Upper I thought that when Lamela dispossessed Grealish he bundled in to him and fouled him.

As I state, that was my choice not to celebrate, but it certainly is a thing.
 

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I hardly see it as any different from seeing a player celebrate and the offside flag is raised to be honest, it just takes a while longer. I've always had a fear that all of our goals will be ruled out for some reason though.
It is different, the offside flag is almost instant - Neves' goal fo example took about a minute to materialise.

People will generally get used to it though and they'll probably decrease the times for goal reviews, but it's something we just need to accept because it isn't going to go away.
 
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I hardly see it as any different from seeing a player celebrate and the offside flag is raised to be honest, it just takes a while longer. I've always had a fear that all of our goals will be ruled out for some reason though.
I mean as a fan it's significantly different.

Half a second to glance over at the linesman and check for a flag is nothing like the wait for var. If VAR can work that quickly I'm all for it. Of course, with current technology that is absolutely impossible.
 

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utterly baffling to have spurs fans think that this is a bad thing. Have been a supporter for 40 years and the number of decisions that go against us in the league, against top sides, is astonishing. If var can level this out a bit, I'm all for it...even though some breaks in other games will go against us.
In past seasons without var, the reporting on the city game would be: "dominant city leave it late to beat lackluster spurs." or worse "despite the handball in the build up, spurs could have few complaints after being dominated by city."

No thanks. I'll take the var decision and a point every day.
And for all those who say it changes football, I say good. Football has been about fergie time, mendes disallowed goal and more for too long!!!
 

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Does anybody know why Lamela executing a flawless Rock Bottom on Rodri wasn't flagged? Tbf, I think Rodri might have initiated contact, but idk
Because Rodri initiated contact and lamela’s hands, while clumsy, had nothing to do with Rodri falling (apart from giving him an excuse) - he falls because he tangles legs with Lamela from the contact he initiates.

That’s why VAR wasn’t interested.
 

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utterly baffling to have spurs fans think that this is a bad thing. Have been a supporter for 40 years and the number of decisions that go against us in the league, against top sides, is astonishing. If var can level this out a bit, I'm all for it...even though some breaks in other games will go against us.
In past seasons without var, the reporting on the city game would be: "dominant city leave it late to beat lackluster spurs." or worse "despite the handball in the build up, spurs could have few complaints after being dominated by city."

No thanks. I'll take the var decision and a point every day.
And for all those who say it changes football, I say good. Football has been about fergie time, mendes disallowed goal and more for too long!!!
Totally agree mate, us long suffering 'oldies' have witnessed far too many injustices in the past to not breathe a sigh of relief that a lot of it won't happen again, but as it's Spurs, I'm sure fate will find some other way to fuck us over!:shifty:
 

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utterly baffling to have spurs fans think that this is a bad thing. Have been a supporter for 40 years and the number of decisions that go against us in the league, against top sides, is astonishing. If var can level this out a bit, I'm all for it...even though some breaks in other games will go against us.
In past seasons without var, the reporting on the city game would be: "dominant city leave it late to beat lackluster spurs." or worse "despite the handball in the build up, spurs could have few complaints after being dominated by city."

No thanks. I'll take the var decision and a point every day.
And for all those who say it changes football, I say good. Football has been about fergie time, mendes disallowed goal and more for too long!!!
Two things to pick apart here. Firstly the decisions historically going against us. It's very natural to remember those that go against us more than those that go in our favour. But I'm not sure over the long term we've been as hard done by overall as you'd think. Obviously there's been some high profile shockers though.

Secondly, most people who are against var don't argue that it will lead to more correct decisions. Case in point Molineux last night showing their displeasure after being awarded the goal. The argument is this upside is not worth the downsides that currently come with it.
 
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