What's new

Managing Director Football: Fabio Paratici

Status
Not open for further replies.

Monkey boy

Well-Known Member
Jun 18, 2011
6,381
17,040
Sure but Campos has publicly stated he prefers to scout players in the £3-5m bracket over established, expensive signings. We wouldn’t actually have to give him much cash, merely raise some modest funds through sale which need to happen anyway. He’d be a perfect fit for our needs at the moment.

what we have to realise though that it’s one thing buying players for the French league for £3m and letting them grow their game in order to then sell on for a huge profit but it’s quite another to expect to put all those players in to a premier league team and expect them to stay competitive for a top 4 finish. Another thing to consider is the need for these players to be predominantly home grown as to not take up squad places, unfortunately you can’t really buy young English players for that amount of money, see the kid from Birmingham moving to Dortmund for example.
 

JayB

Well-Known Member
Aug 24, 2011
6,652
26,046
what we have to realise though that it’s one thing buying players for the French league for £3m and letting them grow their game in order to then sell on for a huge profit but it’s quite another to expect to put all those players in to a premier league team and expect them to stay competitive for a top 4 finish. Another thing to consider is the need for these players to be predominantly home grown as to not take up squad places, unfortunately you can’t really buy young English players for that amount of money, see the kid from Birmingham moving to Dortmund for example.
Look at the players he’s unearthed, though. Mbappe, Bernardo Silva, James Rodriguez, and Fabinho at Monaco. Pepe, Osimhen, Soumare and Gabriel among others at Lille. You don’t think players of that quality are good enough for us?

It’s true enough that English clubs are charged a premium, but Campos’s track record of identifying the best young talents around the world is beyond questioning. Even if we have to pay a bit more than a club in France would do, there are undoubtedly bargains out there in the market, it’s just a case of finding them. That’s what Campos would bring.
 

Goobers

Well-Known Member
Jul 29, 2011
1,953
3,165
WouldnMt surprise me if this is the big move for the summer to be honest.
I think Poch felt that Mitchell has cramping his style but José has worked in this structure a few times. I refuse to believe that with Jose doesn’t know if players around the world he would liek to sign. For me the director is looking at how to broker those deals and the next set of deals to do. Whether that person has a real hands on connection with the academy I don’t know.
 

spurs9

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2012
11,845
34,029
Sure but Campos has publicly stated he prefers to scout players in the £3-5m bracket over established, expensive signings. We wouldn’t actually have to give him much cash, merely raise some modest funds through sale which need to happen anyway. He’d be a perfect fit for our needs at the moment.
Is that what we are/should be looking for though? Is that what Mourinho would want us to bring in?

Campos is awesome at what he does, but our strategy isn't to buy cheap players and sell them for a profit anymore, it's to sign players that will improve our team to take us to the next level and win something (we are just not very good at it).

Campos made some amazing signings for Monaco (Fabinho, Mpabbe, Silva and Martial for example) and even balanced it out with the level of players that would fit our current strategy (Rodriguez and Moutinho) but he bought 32 players in the 3 years at Monaco and has bought 30 players in 3 years for Lille and I just dont think that strategy would work for us.

Comolli is talked about as a failure by Spurs fans yet he signed Bale, Berbatov and Modric but he also averaged around 10 signings a season, most of which were failures.
 

beats1

Well-Known Member
Feb 22, 2010
30,006
29,551
Is that what we are/should be looking for though? Is that what Mourinho would want us to bring in?

Campos is awesome at what he does, but our strategy isn't to buy cheap players and sell them for a profit anymore, it's to sign players that will improve our team to take us to the next level and win something (we are just not very good at it).

Campos made some amazing signings for Monaco (Fabinho, Mpabbe, Silva and Martial for example) and even balanced it out with the level of players that would fit our current strategy (Rodriguez and Moutinho) but he bought 32 players in the 3 years at Monaco and has bought 30 players in 3 years for Lille and I just dont think that strategy would work for us.

Comolli is talked about as a failure by Spurs fans yet he signed Bale, Berbatov and Modric but he also averaged around 10 signings a season, most of which were failures.
TBH I think people only consider Comolli a failure and terrible at his job because he never signed what we needed
 

SecretLemonadeDrinker

Well-Known Member
Jun 30, 2020
2,027
11,165
Tbh I'm a bit naive about the various director roles within football clubs. Just read this article though and I think it's what we are screaming out for.

Also genuinely never heard of Rebecca Caplehorn.


https://trainingground.guru/article...-technical-director-guards-a-clubs-philosophy

I think she was appointed to replace John Alexander as club secretary five years or so back - though they seem to have given her a fancy, new title. She's an administrator, not a football person.

Edit: Just looked it up and she actually replaced Darren Eales who, in turn, had replaced John Alexander four years earlier.
 
Last edited:

spursfan77

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2005
46,680
104,957
WouldnMt surprise me if this is the big move for the summer to be honest.
I think Poch felt that Mitchell has cramping his style but José has worked in this structure a few times. I refuse to believe that with Jose doesn’t know if players around the world he would liek to sign. For me the director is looking at how to broker those deals and the next set of deals to do. Whether that person has a real hands on connection with the academy I don’t know.

Something simply must happen because we haven’t replaced McDermott either. So we have nobody looking after the youth team as well.

When we hired Arnesen etc, all we heard in the months building up to it were stories about different director of football that we were being linked with. Now there’s nothing.

It’s very strange.
 

spursfan77

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2005
46,680
104,957
Is that what we are/should be looking for though? Is that what Mourinho would want us to bring in?

Campos is awesome at what he does, but our strategy isn't to buy cheap players and sell them for a profit anymore, it's to sign players that will improve our team to take us to the next level and win something (we are just not very good at it).

Campos made some amazing signings for Monaco (Fabinho, Mpabbe, Silva and Martial for example) and even balanced it out with the level of players that would fit our current strategy (Rodriguez and Moutinho) but he bought 32 players in the 3 years at Monaco and has bought 30 players in 3 years for Lille and I just dont think that strategy would work for us.

Comolli is talked about as a failure by Spurs fans yet he signed Bale, Berbatov and Modric but he also averaged around 10 signings a season, most of which were failures.

But at the moment I think it would. Simply because we need a huge amount of players. I suspect Levy doesn’t see it like that though.
 
Aug 10, 2008
437
2,154
I just can't wrap my head around the reported lack of interest in Campos. Levy has shown in the past that he prefers the DOF model, Jose wants to work with him, he's got an absolutely brilliant track-record of identifying top young talents available at bargain prices. The stars are aligned for it to happen, yet JJ has suggested Levy doesn't want him. It's just utterly bizarre, I can't even begin to understand it.
Totally agree with you, Jay, but that's probably because we're both, quite rightly, viewing this situation as fans. The appointment of Campos makes perfect sense IF you believe that Levy's priority is to build a championship winning football team. But as soon as you consider the notion that his primary goal is, and always has been, the development of a multi-event arena where the football team exists among a number of "tenants" (NFL, rugby, boxing, music events) then perhaps, in Levy's eyes, that mitigates against the need for a top, top football team, and, unfortunately for us, renders someone like Campos less of an imperative. As you said mate, Campos just makes so much sense for any owners genuinely and utterly committed to the success of their football team. That Levy & Co remain disinterested in his appointment, or in even contemplating restructuring the recruitiment structure, probably tells us all we need to know about their priorities. But, hey, at least Levy has prioritised appointing a new Technology Expert, mate! Perhaps he'll be great at googling - Danny Rose style - this summer's cheap transfer targets. Every cloud eh!
 

JayB

Well-Known Member
Aug 24, 2011
6,652
26,046
But at the moment I think it would. Simply because we need a huge amount of players. I suspect Levy doesn’t see it like that though.
Agreed. The model we've taken in recent years, targeting big-money signings at a few positions of need, is one that you adopt if you feel that you're close to competing for trophies and just need those two or three additions to put you over the top.

We're miles away now and the approach of buying one or two big-money signings simply does not suit where we are. We need a total refresh of the squad players in addition to smart additions to the first XI. That's where a DOF like Campos could be truly revolutionary.
 
D

Deleted member 27995

Agreed. The model we've taken in recent years, targeting big-money signings at a few positions of need, is one that you adopt if you feel that you're close to competing for trophies and just need those two or three additions to put you over the top.

We're miles away now and the approach of buying one or two big-money signings simply does not suit where we are. We need a total refresh of the squad players in addition to smart additions to the first XI. That's where a DOF like Campos could be truly revolutionary.
Wouldn't we, though, with Campos be buying to sell and then reinvest? Doesn't that go against the idea of so many fans on here and away from here that we're now competing with one of the big boys? Wouldn't this also suggest that we should have been doing this all along anyway? Something which was our MO up until the 2018 window?

Seems the horse has bolted on all of this.
 

JayB

Well-Known Member
Aug 24, 2011
6,652
26,046
Wouldn't we, though, with Campos be buying to sell and then reinvest? Doesn't that go against the idea of so many fans on here and away from here that we're now competing with one of the big boys? Wouldn't this also suggest that we should have been doing this all along anyway? Something which was our MO up until the 2018 window?

Seems the horse has bolted on all of this.
I've simply come to accept that we are back in rebuilding mode, back where we were before Poch had us aiming higher. We've gone completely stale and need a refresh of young talents throughout the squad. If those players prove to be good enough to genuinely compete to win things, then we can shift back into the mode of attempting to make the signings that will put us over the top.

Poch himself saw it and called for the "panful rebuild". Events have shown that he had it right, IMO.
 
D

Deleted member 27995

I've simply come to accept that we are back in rebuilding mode, back where we were before Poch had us aiming higher. We've gone completely stale and need a refresh of young talents throughout the squad. If those players prove to be good enough to genuinely compete to win things, then we can shift back into the mode of attempting to make the signings that will put us over the top.

Poch himself saw it and called for the "panful rebuild". Events have shown that he had it right, IMO.
If he had been more flexible then some of this could have been avoided. Shame.
 

Blueluigi6

Well-Known Member
Aug 8, 2019
197
1,002
Totally agree with you, Jay, but that's probably because we're both, quite rightly, viewing this situation as fans. The appointment of Campos makes perfect sense IF you believe that Levy's priority is to build a championship winning football team. But as soon as you consider the notion that his primary goal is, and always has been, the development of a multi-event arena where the football team exists among a number of "tenants" (NFL, rugby, boxing, music events) then perhaps, in Levy's eyes, that mitigates against the need for a top, top football team, and, unfortunately for us, renders someone like Campos less of an imperative. As you said mate, Campos just makes so much sense for any owners genuinely and utterly committed to the success of their football team. That Levy & Co remain disinterested in his appointment, or in even contemplating restructuring the recruitiment structure, probably tells us all we need to know about their priorities. But, hey, at least Levy has prioritised appointing a new Technology Expert, mate! Perhaps he'll be great at googling - Danny Rose style - this summer's cheap transfer targets. Every cloud eh!

Is there any indication at all that levy doesn't want Campos? Because it seems like everyone is just saying "oh levy will never take him, ENIC couldn't possibly", spouting the most pessimistic what if takes, while I'm just looking for some ITK or tidbit that actually says "levy does not want Campos" ( bear in mind Campos could just not want a move in the summer at all )
 

Japhet

Well-Known Member
Aug 30, 2010
19,232
57,392
Napoli apparently bidding 100mil for Osimhen & Gabriel from Lille.

Campos is a magician. Why again are we not after him? On a tight budget he makes a ton of sense.

Because Levy thinks he can do what Campos does and save a large salary.
 

JayB

Well-Known Member
Aug 24, 2011
6,652
26,046
Is there any indication at all that levy doesn't want Campos? Because it seems like everyone is just saying "oh levy will never take him, ENIC couldn't possibly", spouting the most pessimistic what if takes, while I'm just looking for some ITK or tidbit that actually says "levy does not want Campos" ( bear in mind Campos could just not want a move in the summer at all )
There was this exchange from JJ on Twitter in May:

moCUDFb.png


The poster he's responding to has his tweets locked and I don't have access to them, but you can see from the reply below that the question was about a sporting director. The exchange was posted here at the time and the original question pertained to a report linking us to Campos specifically. I can't be absolutely certain because I can't see the tweet he's responding to, but I distinctly remember the full exchange having been posted at the time.
 

Blueluigi6

Well-Known Member
Aug 8, 2019
197
1,002
There was this exchange from JJ on Twitter in May:

moCUDFb.png


The poster he's responding to has his tweets locked and I don't have access to them, but you can see from the reply below that the question was about a sporting director. The exchange was posted here at the time and the original question pertained to a report linking us to Campos specifically. I can't be absolutely certain because I can't see the tweet he's responding to, but I distinctly remember the full exchange having been posted at the time.

Well shit
 

spurs9

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2012
11,845
34,029
I've simply come to accept that we are back in rebuilding mode, back where we were before Poch had us aiming higher. We've gone completely stale and need a refresh of young talents throughout the squad. If those players prove to be good enough to genuinely compete to win things, then we can shift back into the mode of attempting to make the signings that will put us over the top.

Poch himself saw it and called for the "panful rebuild". Events have shown that he had it right, IMO.
We never bought to sell to reinvest at any stage under Poch though. All the players we bought were in view to improve the squad and if they were good enough, we wouldn't sell them unless they wanted out (Walker). The problem was, weren't very good at it.

IMO, the PL is that rich now, that most teams in it also dont buy to sell to reinvest, which is why it takes silly money most of the time now.
 

spurs9

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2012
11,845
34,029
But at the moment I think it would. Simply because we need a huge amount of players. I suspect Levy doesn’t see it like that though.
I dont thin it would. We are in no worse position than Liverpool were when Klopp took over and since then they have only signed 19 players in 4 years (including players for the youth team e.g van den Berg).

I think people underestimate the effect a few of the right players would have on the squad, a new DM, RB, a skillful AM and a decent striker to challenge Kane could have us competing again.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top