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Match Prediction

  • Spurs win - Clean Sheet

    Votes: 14 11.1%
  • Spurs win - Concede goal(s)

    Votes: 58 46.0%
  • Southampton Win

    Votes: 22 17.5%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 32 25.4%
  • Goalless Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    126
  • Poll closed .

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
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You grammar twats do my head in . We are in dire straits and all you can do is look around to find fault with someones spelling .
Try looking at what's wrong and finding a remedy instead of looking yo find fault with a well intended post.
Like anyone on here would be able to find a remedy :ROFLMAO:
 

Jamturk

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Aug 13, 2008
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What I find a little amusing are supporters who call for fight, commitment and guts from the players but fail to display any of the above while the team is going through a rough period.
 

daveduvet

Well-Known Member
Oct 6, 2008
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For the first time today I thought to myself ‘thank f**k we can sign new players’ this month. Like under poch, something’s gotta change. There’s a lethargy within the team. We gave the ball away today like a team on the downward slope ... FairPlay to Southampton, they worked harder to win . Akin to Norwich game we looked the lesser team. I’m wondering whether there’s a slight ‘we can cruise this’ attitude? I’m not pissed off. Just accepting that we could lose 4th spot. Players to blame in my eyes
I’ll quote myself. What I noticed most about today’s display was the lack of positive forward passing. I kept seeing ‘safe’ passing back or sideways. To me, this reeks of lack of confidence. Arguably, it points to a change in leadership and the adoption of a new system. Just hope our boys grow some balls soon; too many sensitive ego’s currently (onions)
 

TURKISH69

Well-Known Member
Jun 6, 2012
505
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Doctor!!!
You say that as you get to watch the most takented squad we've had for decades, in the most modern stadium in Europe if not the world with the most accomplished manager at the helm. Levy, you numpty!!
. Hey I’m glad you agree he’s a numpty or is that you, what talented squad is that then?? What you mean the one that Poch told us all needed overhauling, the one Levy invested by adding more quality and last of all you mean the one that lost 22 premier league games in a calendar year. O and the squad that won a trophy, the squad that is playing really attractive football (not) shut up you numpty..
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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Everyone seems to be forgetting that we’ve been shit away from home for a year. This is just a continuation of that. Mourinho has come in and helped halt the lack of wins but we are still seeing the same sort of performances under Poch.

It won’t change until we get new blood in either.
 

TonyK

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2004
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Lads, let’s not fool ourselves, the team is now exactly where it deserves to be.

Poch worked minor miracles for the last few years with limited investment in his squad.

No surprise then that the squad is now looking old, tired and very limited.

Jose is now finding the same limitations as Poch. And guess what, this all comes down to the failure of the owner and chairman to strengthen the squad over the last couple of seasons. It’s fucking ridiculous.

Whats the point in having the best stadium in the world and a team that stinks it out!!

We now need major investment - GK, 2 full backs, world class centre-half, couple of decent wingers and a back up for HK.

That’s what we need as an absolute minimum.

The CL Final has bought the current owners time that I don’t think they really deserve. Look at how much the dippers have overtaken us FFS!!

Spend big on one position each window - Koulibali.

Trade Eriksen plus £££s for Bale and get Bruno Fernandes at all costs. Send GLC back to Betis instead.

We need a fucking serious overhaul because even our better players are now passed it.

Owners need to invest in THE SQUAD for a fucking change.
 

spurslenny

I hate football
Nov 24, 2006
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After some time to reflect and think back over the last 10/15 years I've come to the following conclusion....

We lucked our way to 5th under Jol, insofar as Levy never intended to have Jol as our manager, he just kind of inherited him after Santini fucked it up. Jol did wonders with that team built on bargin basement young English players bought as a punt by Levy. And it worked to a degree.

Then we needed investment after achieving a semi solid footing as a UEFA cup team. But it never came.

We lucked our way to our first Champions league qualification under Redknapp, insofar as Levy never intended him to be manager, but was called in as an emergency after Ramos fucked it up. Redknapp did wonders with that team, getting us to a CL quarter final, and having us in a 3-way title race in mid January.

We needed investment right then and there in that January. But it never came.

We lucked our way into having a manger as good as Pochetino, insofar that by now, Levy was just chasing the next hot thing on the block (AvB springs to mind), and no one could have predicted our rapid rise over the next 5 years. Poch did wonders getting us to challenge seriously for the league and making it a to a CL final.

Then, we needed investment. It never came. In fact it never came for two transfer windows running (which is almost a crime in modern football, bordering on negligence even)
In fact, OUR OWN MANAGER AT THE TIME TOLD US WE NEEDED INVESTMENT!!! But it never came.

My conclusion (if you're still reading), is that all the positive things, all the good things that we have acheived, have seemingly come inspite of Levy's stewardship, and not because of it(new stadium excluded).

He has many good qualities as a chairman, but recognising when the right time to reinforce the squad, to rebuild the squad, to even add one or two players of such quality that it would elevate the squad, to listen to the very man (whoever the manager is) that works day in, day out with the squad and can see where and how strengthening is required, are definitely not Levys strong suits.

My opinion is that no matter how good a manager we have, or how brilliant our stadium is, or how stella our training facilities are, or how attractive an option we are for big name players to come to us, we will never fulfil any of that potential while Levy is the decision maker.

He either has to accept we are a big club, and pay the wages, transfer fees, and all the other financials attached with that status, or go.

If not that, then we have to accept that we are a above average size club, punching well above our weight, pretending to be a big club, and accept all the trials and tribulations that go with that status.

No third way, in my opinion.

(Thanks if you read all that. Just had to get that out my system)
 

g_harry

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Sep 27, 2005
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Not sure if this works but look at the difference in effort from this clip compared with today.
 
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glacierSpurs

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Sep 28, 2013
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Not sure if this works but look at the difference in effort from this clip compared with today.

He's a lot leaner then. I really think he has over-trained his body. His physique is probably not suited for that bulk of muscles he has now and hence the difficulty in accelerating, and fuck me, he couldn't even out-muscle defenders off despite being more massive than them.

Not sure is he trying to emulate Bale, but Bale's original physique is already quite towering and imposing, hence he's still quite balance. If you look through the years of Kane's body transformation, he is abit top-heavy now. It really doesn't help to exert that much of a weight on his weakening ankle. It's a shame to see him age so quickly just at the age of 26.
 

jolsnogross

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2005
3,730
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Shout out to Sessengon, by the way - been impressed with him at left back in these last couple of games.
I agree with you. I think the negative ratings for that comment stem from him being ultra conservative when higher up the pitch. But I'll bet he's following instruction there, not to take his full back on in case they break, and undoubtedly Aurier is also high up the other wing daydreaming. It could also be some youthful timidity at a new club, which he'll have to grow out of. And he has gotten played in behind to deliver decent balls to the center in both games.

But he's showing himself to be positionally aware, tough to take on, not easy to shrug off. What's the point going back to Vertonghen there if he's going to be outpaced, and Rose seems to have lost nearly everyone's confidence. We need two competent full backs instead of this asymmetrical dross system, and this lad has more sturdiness than many thought along with plenty of technical ability and a turn of pace.
 

rupsmith

Well-Known Member
Jul 29, 2006
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After some time to reflect and think back over the last 10/15 years I've come to the following conclusion....

We lucked our way to 5th under Jol, insofar as Levy never intended to have Jol as our manager, he just kind of inherited him after Santini fucked it up. Jol did wonders with that team built on bargin basement young English players bought as a punt by Levy. And it worked to a degree.

Then we needed investment after achieving a semi solid footing as a UEFA cup team. But it never came.

We lucked our way to our first Champions league qualification under Redknapp, insofar as Levy never intended him to be manager, but was called in as an emergency after Ramos fucked it up. Redknapp did wonders with that team, getting us to a CL quarter final, and having us in a 3-way title race in mid January.

We needed investment right then and there in that January. But it never came.

We lucked our way into having a manger as good as Pochetino, insofar that by now, Levy was just chasing the next hot thing on the block (AvB springs to mind), and no one could have predicted our rapid rise over the next 5 years. Poch did wonders getting us to challenge seriously for the league and making it a to a CL final.

Then, we needed investment. It never came. In fact it never came for two transfer windows running (which is almost a crime in modern football, bordering on negligence even)
In fact, OUR OWN MANAGER AT THE TIME TOLD US WE NEEDED INVESTMENT!!! But it never came.

My conclusion (if you're still reading), is that all the positive things, all the good things that we have acheived, have seemingly come inspite of Levy's stewardship, and not because of it(new stadium excluded).

He has many good qualities as a chairman, but recognising when the right time to reinforce the squad, to rebuild the squad, to even add one or two players of such quality that it would elevate the squad, to listen to the very man (whoever the manager is) that works day in, day out with the squad and can see where and how strengthening is required, are definitely not Levys strong suits.

My opinion is that no matter how good a manager we have, or how brilliant our stadium is, or how stella our training facilities are, or how attractive an option we are for big name players to come to us, we will never fulfil any of that potential while Levy is the decision maker.

He either has to accept we are a big club, and pay the wages, transfer fees, and all the other financials attached with that status, or go.

If not that, then we have to accept that we are a above average size club, punching well above our weight, pretending to be a big club, and accept all the trials and tribulations that go with that status.

No third way, in my opinion.

(Thanks if you read all that. Just had to get that out my system)

I appreciate the vent. But whenever I feel the frustration of last night - for some reason wanted to physically harm Aurier the whole of the game - and have thoughts against the club senior management, I remember those games at the Lane in the mid 90s and early 2000s and how far we have come. I compare us to the number of teams where leadership went horribly wrong in terms of team achievement (e.g. Leeds, Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Blackburn, QPR etc.), bad player buys (so many at United, Arsenal, Chelsea who can take the hits) and poor stadium construct (e.g. Arsenal, Old Trafford peeling away); and then I compare it to what we have.

Consistent top 4, managers who have generally performed and met targets for the last 6-8 years (Harry, Poch, Jose), world class - some say best in the world - football stadium and training facilities, and a team of international footballers. There is no doubt we have regressed in terms of squad quality over the last 18 months but Jose is probably the best person for the job. And it is reasonable for Daniel Levy to back a world class manager rather than back Poch - he is clinically looking at return on investment and is backing someone who has a world class track record; rather than an emotion based approach of backing Poch which a lot of people wanted. Every footballer on this planet will want to play for Jose Mourinho.

I think the future is good. I'm trying to have faith. We have come a long way and this is a bump in the road - trying to stay loyal and continue on this journey.

Still not going to watch us get shredded by Liverpool though. That is going to be painful. Also have this foreboding of Kane leaving at the end of the year.
 
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rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
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What I find a little amusing are supporters who call for fight, commitment and guts from the players but fail to display any of the above while the team is going through a rough period.
They’re paid to show fight, commitment and guts! And, pardon me for asking, but in what form are the fans not showing fight, commitment and guts?
 

sebo_sek

Well-Known Member
Jun 2, 2005
6,023
5,168
After some time to reflect and think back over the last 10/15 years I've come to the following conclusion....

We lucked our way to 5th under Jol, insofar as Levy never intended to have Jol as our manager, he just kind of inherited him after Santini fucked it up. Jol did wonders with that team built on bargin basement young English players bought as a punt by Levy. And it worked to a degree.

Then we needed investment after achieving a semi solid footing as a UEFA cup team. But it never came.

We lucked our way to our first Champions league qualification under Redknapp, insofar as Levy never intended him to be manager, but was called in as an emergency after Ramos fucked it up. Redknapp did wonders with that team, getting us to a CL quarter final, and having us in a 3-way title race in mid January.

We needed investment right then and there in that January. But it never came.

We lucked our way into having a manger as good as Pochetino, insofar that by now, Levy was just chasing the next hot thing on the block (AvB springs to mind), and no one could have predicted our rapid rise over the next 5 years. Poch did wonders getting us to challenge seriously for the league and making it a to a CL final.

Then, we needed investment. It never came. In fact it never came for two transfer windows running (which is almost a crime in modern football, bordering on negligence even)
In fact, OUR OWN MANAGER AT THE TIME TOLD US WE NEEDED INVESTMENT!!! But it never came.

My conclusion (if you're still reading), is that all the positive things, all the good things that we have acheived, have seemingly come inspite of Levy's stewardship, and not because of it(new stadium excluded).

He has many good qualities as a chairman, but recognising when the right time to reinforce the squad, to rebuild the squad, to even add one or two players of such quality that it would elevate the squad, to listen to the very man (whoever the manager is) that works day in, day out with the squad and can see where and how strengthening is required, are definitely not Levys strong suits.

My opinion is that no matter how good a manager we have, or how brilliant our stadium is, or how stella our training facilities are, or how attractive an option we are for big name players to come to us, we will never fulfil any of that potential while Levy is the decision maker.

He either has to accept we are a big club, and pay the wages, transfer fees, and all the other financials attached with that status, or go.

If not that, then we have to accept that we are a above average size club, punching well above our weight, pretending to be a big club, and accept all the trials and tribulations that go with that status.

No third way, in my opinion.

(Thanks if you read all that. Just had to get that out my system)
Sorry but this is bollox. You're saying that Levy is the jammiest chairman in history and the Club has increased in value by over tenfold in spite of him. How would you go about getting those world class players without the stadium and training facilities? How would you go about giving increased wages without the increased revenue? I'm all ears.
 

spursfan77

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2005
46,680
104,957
Lads, let’s not fool ourselves, the team is now exactly where it deserves to be.

Poch worked minor miracles for the last few years with limited investment in his squad.

No surprise then that the squad is now looking old, tired and very limited.

Jose is now finding the same limitations as Poch. And guess what, this all comes down to the failure of the owner and chairman to strengthen the squad over the last couple of seasons. It’s fucking ridiculous.

Whats the point in having the best stadium in the world and a team that stinks it out!!

We now need major investment - GK, 2 full backs, world class centre-half, couple of decent wingers and a back up for HK.

That’s what we need as an absolute minimum.

The CL Final has bought the current owners time that I don’t think they really deserve. Look at how much the dippers have overtaken us FFS!!

Spend big on one position each window - Koulibali.

Trade Eriksen plus £££s for Bale and get Bruno Fernandes at all costs. Send GLC back to Betis instead.

We need a fucking serious overhaul because even our better players are now passed it.

Owners need to invest in THE SQUAD for a fucking change.

I disagree they need to invest in the squad. They need to invest in the starting eleven!
 

slartibartfast

Grunge baby forever
Oct 21, 2012
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Cant believe I'm gonna stick up for JM here but here goes.
Second choice keeper, cant do anything about that (thought Lloris would have saved that yesterday).
Aurier, not good enough.
Verts, wants out.
Sess, young but didnt look like anything special at all. Think Kwp has showed more promise at rb.
Eriksen, wants out.
Ndombele, injured again.
Glc, new to league and 100% committed? Like all loan players probably not.

On the other hand JM shouldnt play them if they're not gonna give 100%. Its the same mistake Poch kept making.
Moura, moved position again which isnt helping him.
Son, unavailable.
Davies unavailable.
We've no DM, even Dier unavailable.
Alli should have been subbed after 50min.
We changed CBs and back 4 AGAIN. We cant keep doing that when we've no DM and a second string GK. Its making a bad situation worse.
At least if he plays some youth we'll see effort.
I do think some of the blame fell on JM yeaterday.
 

teedee

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Jan 11, 2019
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I’ll quote myself. What I noticed most about today’s display was the lack of positive forward passing. I kept seeing ‘safe’ passing back or sideways. To me, this reeks of lack of confidence. Arguably, it points to a change in leadership and the adoption of a new system. Just hope our boys grow some balls soon; too many sensitive ego’s currently (onions)

It cannot point to a change in leadership being the reason as Spurs have been playing sideways and backwards for many, many months.
 

spurslenny

I hate football
Nov 24, 2006
7,543
6,519
Sorry but this is bollox. You're saying that Levy is the jammiest chairman in history and the Club has increased in value by over tenfold in spite of him. How would you go about getting those world class players without the stadium and training facilities? How would you go about giving increased wages without the increased revenue? I'm all ears.
Clearly, I'm not saying that at all.

And furthermore, why is it up to me to come up with answers? I'm not the chairman of the club. But Levy is. And in my opinion he could, and should have backed his mangers more whilst they were in a position of strength, instead of waiting for talented squads to start to wane/struggle and then decide to either release some funds (too late) or sack a manger, and the release funds.

Hope that clears that up.
 
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