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76Match Prediction

  • Away Win - Clean Sheet

    Votes: 75 43.4%
  • Away Win - Concede Goal(s)

    Votes: 65 37.6%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 16 9.2%
  • Goalless Draw

    Votes: 5 2.9%
  • Away Lose

    Votes: 12 6.9%

  • Total voters
    173
  • Poll closed .

pedrodelawasp

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I haven't read through the whole thread, so apologies if this point is being recycled or brought up for umpteenth time.

I really want it to work out for us and Ndombele. He has talent on the ball and the potential to be a proper unit in the middle if he wanted to be. I was hoping he'd be really eager to stake his claim for a starting spot when he came off the bench and would get stuck in, but to me he seemed utterly disinterested. Made a couple of challenges here and there and made a couple of passes, but never followed these up by making runs for his teammates, rather reverting to type as we've seen so far of jogging around somewhat aimlessly.

Just one among many disappointing aspects of that performance, mind you.
 

Cochise

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I've looked through the goals and pulled them apart. First off; I tip my hat to Sheffield UTD. They were very good at moving our defenders and two screening midfielders out of position. A lot of what went wrong in the goals we conceded comes down to individual decisions having a domino affect on.

The route of the first goal for example can actually go back to Moura pressing their CB so aggressively. He did nothing to stop the pass out to the LB. The result was Aurier having to break ranks to confront the LB whilst a nice series of movements from McGoldrick and Osborn removed Sissoko and GLC from the middle of the pitch. Sanchez probably should've taken on McGoldrick so GLC was still in the middle of the park.

The next part was Son and Bergwijn both being out of position and Son was really bad here. He first left Davies with a 1v2 with Berge and their RW. After the ball shifts to the RW he switched off again leaving Davies with another 1v2 as the RWB overlapped. At the moment of the cutback from the RWB we had Dier, Sanchez, Aurier and Sissoko within 10 yards of one another in a line on the edge of the 6 yard line marking two players. GLC tries to cover the near post leaving an angle for the three Sheffield UTD players just within the 18 yard box, all not being looked at. Berge the goalscorer is one of them.

Again goal number two stems from players not making the right decisions. Dier starts off doing well with McBurnie. He hands him off to Davies who stops pressing him for some reason, Lamela stands still and McBurnie is free to pass the ball through a massive corridor of space to their LWB. Moura and Sissoko both are doing fuck all to close this avenue and it again forces Aurier who up until that point was doing the right thing to have to break ranks. He does it slowly too as he's trying to point to Sissoko the man he's meant to be marking, a man Sissoko does not track. A couple of passes and they square for a tap in.

A note on that; Dier had no idea where Mousset is. He looked twice at Berge who was standing on the penalty spot unmarked. Davies should've either stepped onto Mousset or been shouting at Dier, but I have a small amount of sympathy here as the pair of them had three men to mark at that point.

Goal three again is a Son horror show. He goes chasing a high ball that he was never going to win, only for the header to sail over him and take him out of the game. Dele then has to chase the man Son should've been confronting. Dele chases and does well imo, Vertonghen tries to take charge of the situation and point Dele in the direction of Berge but Dele doubles up. Son is aware of Berge and can cover.

Very weak defending from Son allows Berge to square it. N'Dombele was covering the cut back so wasn't in the right place to deal with the
ball. No blame for him on that one, all on Son. Dele plays some part perhaps in not cutting that passing angle to Berge out, but Son tracks and then just sells himself.
 

Matthew

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How many times this season have either of them looked like they are far, far better than the rest of the players in the team? Gareth Bale played out of his skin to try to drag his teammates kicking and screaming into the Champions League before moving to Real Madrid. In a team lacking in quality, creativity and ambition, he won games single handedly, gave us something to cheer about and deserved the step up he got.

This season, Kane and Son look no better than Lucas, Dele, Sissoko or any of the other players that are deemed not good enough. Performances from almost everybody have been generally awful this year, some players just have enough good will in the bank from previous seasons to cloud peoples' perceptions.

If Kane and Son think they are too good for us, it's about damn time they started to show it again.

can't winner this enough. so true about kane and sonny, but been shadows of themselves. espcially son.
 

Matthew

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How sad is it, this was where we were 2/3 years ago..... and look at us now, the drop off is staggering!
 

Spurs 1961

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Aug 31, 2012
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I've looked through the goals and pulled them apart. First off; I tip my hat to Sheffield UTD. They were very good at moving our defenders and two screening midfielders out of position. A lot of what went wrong in the goals we conceded comes down to individual decisions having a domino affect on.

The route of the first goal for example can actually go back to Moura pressing their CB so aggressively. He did nothing to stop the pass out to the LB. The result was Aurier having to break ranks to confront the LB whilst a nice series of movements from McGoldrick and Osborn removed Sissoko and GLC from the middle of the pitch. Sanchez probably should've taken on McGoldrick so GLC was still in the middle of the park.

The next part was Son and Bergwijn both being out of position and Son was really bad here. He first left Davies with a 1v2 with Berge and their RW. After the ball shifts to the RW he switched off again leaving Davies with another 1v2 as the RWB overlapped. At the moment of the cutback from the RWB we had Dier, Sanchez, Aurier and Sissoko within 10 yards of one another in a line on the edge of the 6 yard line marking two players. GLC tries to cover the near post leaving an angle for the three Sheffield UTD players just within the 18 yard box, all not being looked at. Berge the goalscorer is one of them.

Again goal number two stems from players not making the right decisions. Dier starts off doing well with McBurnie. He hands him off to Davies who stops pressing him for some reason, Lamela stands still and McBurnie is free to pass the ball through a massive corridor of space to their LWB. Moura and Sissoko both are doing fuck all to close this avenue and it again forces Aurier who up until that point was doing the right thing to have to break ranks. He does it slowly too as he's trying to point to Sissoko the man he's meant to be marking, a man Sissoko does not track. A couple of passes and they square for a tap in.

A note on that; Dier had no idea where Mousset is. He looked twice at Berge who was standing on the penalty spot unmarked. Davies should've either stepped onto Mousset or been shouting at Dier, but I have a small amount of sympathy here as the pair of them had three men to mark at that point.

Goal three again is a Son horror show. He goes chasing a high ball that he was never going to win, only for the header to sail over him and take him out of the game. Dele then has to chase the man Son should've been confronting. Dele chases and does well imo, Vertonghen tries to take charge of the situation and point Dele in the direction of Berge but Dele doubles up. Son is aware of Berge and can cover.

Very weak defending from Son allows Berge to square it. N'Dombele was covering the cut back so wasn't in the right place to deal with the
ball. No blame for him on that one, all on Son. Dele plays some part perhaps in not cutting that passing angle to Berge out, but Son tracks and then just sells himself.

The big problem is that with all our possession and attacking players we failed to get to the byline to cross the ball. All our balls played in allowed the opposition defenders to face our players whereas all their goals came from turning our defence. If we had done this with all the forward possession we would have been well ahead before they scored. Our attacking has become mediocre
 

daryl hannah

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Jose got it badly wrong having that front 4 - it needed a creator in the 10 - probably Ndombele would've been perfect for threading passes when breaking at speed before they get set into a low block. Bergwijn in the 10 I'm not a fan of.
 

Nicki78

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Not that it would make me feel any better but have any players posted on social to apologise/ comment on that ‘performance’ yesterday? I follow most of the players on Twitter/ Instagram and haven’t seen a thing.

Having slept on it I’m even more angry today than I was last night about the whole game. Win it and there was still an (outside) chance of CL but it was just awful. Jose is bang on about the mentality. I assume some of our players think they our moving in this summer and don’t want to get injured.

Fair play to SU though - tactics were spot on.
 

pedrodelawasp

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Jan 14, 2019
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I haven't read through the whole thread, so apologies if this point is being recycled or brought up for umpteenth time.

I really want it to work out for us and Ndombele. He has talent on the ball and the potential to be a proper unit in the middle if he wanted to be. I was hoping he'd be really eager to stake his claim for a starting spot when he came off the bench and would get stuck in, but to me he seemed utterly disinterested. Made a couple of challenges here and there and made a couple of passes, but never followed these up by making runs for his teammates, rather reverting to type as we've seen so far of jogging around somewhat aimlessly.

Just one among many disappointing aspects of that performance, mind you.

@TwanYid how you doing? Any chance you could elaborate on your dislike rating? It's good to get differing perspectives.
 

Gilzeanking

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I've looked through the goals and pulled them apart. First off; I tip my hat to Sheffield UTD. They were very good at moving our defenders and two screening midfielders out of position. A lot of what went wrong in the goals we conceded comes down to individual decisions having a domino affect on.

The route of the first goal for example can actually go back to Moura pressing their CB so aggressively. He did nothing to stop the pass out to the LB. The result was Aurier having to break ranks to confront the LB whilst a nice series of movements from McGoldrick and Osborn removed Sissoko and GLC from the middle of the pitch. Sanchez probably should've taken on McGoldrick so GLC was still in the middle of the park.

The next part was Son and Bergwijn both being out of position and Son was really bad here. He first left Davies with a 1v2 with Berge and their RW. After the ball shifts to the RW he switched off again leaving Davies with another 1v2 as the RWB overlapped. At the moment of the cutback from the RWB we had Dier, Sanchez, Aurier and Sissoko within 10 yards of one another in a line on the edge of the 6 yard line marking two players. GLC tries to cover the near post leaving an angle for the three Sheffield UTD players just within the 18 yard box, all not being looked at. Berge the goalscorer is one of them.

Again goal number two stems from players not making the right decisions. Dier starts off doing well with McBurnie. He hands him off to Davies who stops pressing him for some reason, Lamela stands still and McBurnie is free to pass the ball through a massive corridor of space to their LWB. Moura and Sissoko both are doing fuck all to close this avenue and it again forces Aurier who up until that point was doing the right thing to have to break ranks. He does it slowly too as he's trying to point to Sissoko the man he's meant to be marking, a man Sissoko does not track. A couple of passes and they square for a tap in.

A note on that; Dier had no idea where Mousset is. He looked twice at Berge who was standing on the penalty spot unmarked. Davies should've either stepped onto Mousset or been shouting at Dier, but I have a small amount of sympathy here as the pair of them had three men to mark at that point.

Goal three again is a Son horror show. He goes chasing a high ball that he was never going to win, only for the header to sail over him and take him out of the game. Dele then has to chase the man Son should've been confronting. Dele chases and does well imo, Vertonghen tries to take charge of the situation and point Dele in the direction of Berge but Dele doubles up. Son is aware of Berge and can cover.

Very weak defending from Son allows Berge to square it. N'Dombele was covering the cut back so wasn't in the right place to deal with the
ball. No blame for him on that one, all on Son. Dele plays some part perhaps in not cutting that passing angle to Berge out, but Son tracks and then just sells himself.

Yep a free pass handed to Sonny these days , just not making an effort , his past reputation blinding most here to his feeble output.
They're too busy hammering Moura who ran his socks off for the cause...but had exhausted himself by late in the game .
 

guiltyparty

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We are absolutely dogshit. It’s so sad to see it all unravel, individually and collectively. We have no identity, no ones making that much effort, and no one really seems to care. We don’t set the agenda on games, we dont seem to have an overarching plan, the squad needs considerable work with no money. No idea what we do from here but we are in an enormous hole. How did we suddenly afford Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bergwijn and to sack Poch and appoint Mourinho in one year after not having any money to invest for 18 months?! Fully expect Kane to be sold, as he’ll be spitting and he’s realistically the only player we have who will fetch transfer window-changing money. Maybe even that opportunity has gone in this climate. The fact we will likely finish below this Arsenal side says it all
 
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spursfan77

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How sad is it, this was where we were 2/3 years ago..... and look at us now, the drop off is staggering!

Yet when the pressure was on and we had to win the games to win the league the team let us down. Same with the champions league final last year. Those are my over riding memories now. So near, yet so far.
 
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If you knew that Lo Celso would play as 8...
He looked like an 8 in a lot of the videos people posted - considering Emery (not that many will think it's much to go on) tried him even deeper than that at his time at PSG he clearly had the ability - he's proven that since. We bought two of the same player last summer and I don't have the first clue why.
 

emiley heskey

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Why was Bruno a backup to Lo Celso they are not the same player and could have played together

Lo celso was scouted as eriksen backup and he had played as cam in real betis. Also Bruno played the same position as Lo Celso in Sporting. So it was either Lo celso or Bruno and Ndombele. Though, I am not sure why on earth we went for Dybala after getting Lo celso, Instead we should have put that money towards Bruno and Bring all three Ndombele, Bruno and Lo Celso if we were really looking after another cam.
 

rossdapep

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Jesus christ. I mean, it's pretty amazing that every single player doesn't seem to understand they should be marking someone.
People keep saying the players are lazy. I don't think they are, I just don't think they are intelligent enough nor capable of a strong leadership mentality. You need both of those for a strong defensive unit. Unfortunately our attack is the same.

Can only hope Jose finds some players who are stronger. Our scouts don't just need to be looking for quality they need to be looking for leaders and players with higher intelligence.
 

daryl hannah

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People keep saying the players are lazy. I don't think they are, I just don't think they are intelligent enough nor capable of a strong leadership mentality. You need both of those for a strong defensive unit. Unfortunately our attack is the same.

Can only hope Jose finds some players who are stronger. Our scouts don't just need to be looking for quality they need to be looking for leaders and players with higher intelligence.
Conversely you can have the strongest leaders with strong mentalities and playing styles—Sheffield Utd look like strong characters who dig in—and then VAR can take away any gains you make with a morale-sapping decision.
 

rossdapep

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Conversely you can have the strongest leaders with strong mentalities and playing styles—Sheffield Utd look like strong characters who dig in—and then VAR can take away any gains you make with a morale-sapping decision.
True. I said at the time I lost motivation to watch the game, so can only imagine the players were she'll shocked too. But in football you will always have setbacks and we've never handled them well.

Need someone to grab them and tell them it's gone and let's focus and get another goal.
 
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