SC's Tactical Autopsy thread

[Spurs_Bear]

Not avoiding and then you come up with the this?? Come on SB, you're better than that...

Just to avoid doubt though, Watford and Reading came before Swansea, therefore he couldn't possibly repeat his Swansea success, what he could do was develop and progress his ideas...

It's a shame he hasn't, the only thing he has progressed is his St-Tropez fake tan...

 

[Mer fantastik]

A draw against Chelsea at home is not a bad result but I don't think we should kid ourselves. They would almost certainly have won if Torres hadn't been sent off.

The only reason we had a couple of chances to win it at the end was because Chelsea dropped off immediately following the sending off and were content to hold on to the point.

That´s an assumption, nobody knows what the outcome could have been. We could have scored on a counter attack, again that´s an assumption.

 

[Mr Pink]

That´s an assumption, nobody knows what the outcome could have been. We could have scored on a counter attack, again that´s an assumption.

It is an assumption - but its the most likely one I'm afraid. Well there was only ten minutes to go so we could well of hung on for the draw, but they had more chance of winning the game than us 11v11 at that stage of the game that's for sure.

 

[Legend10]

Rodgers is a joke, clueless!

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Rodgers is a joke, clueless!

Say what you feel L10...

 

[Legend10]

It's a shame he hasn't, the only thing he has progressed is his St-Tropez fake tan...

And his ridiculous looking veneers!

They were his best signing this summer!

 

[Spurs_Bear]

And his ridiculous looking veneers!

They were his best signing this summer!

To me, it looks like he's had his teeth, hairline and fake tan done.

I mean seriously? He looks like fucking David Dickinson.

 

[dagraham]

That´s an assumption, nobody knows what the outcome could have been. We could have scored on a counter attack, again that´s an assumption.

Well, yes obviously it's an assumption, hence the fact I said "almost certainly". Its no different though to the assumption that, had Paulhino made it 2-0 we would have won the game.

 

[Legend10]

Say what you feel L10...

I've said it all before, there is no evidence to a a Rodgers philosophy, he struggled at Watford, was shit at Reading and was lucky to get the Swansea job. Swansea were favourites for promotion when he arrived there and he didn't do anything great to get the best group of players promoted via the play offs.

His was a negative defence first approach via possession based on trying not to concede rather than score in the Premiership, which was ok but nothing special.

At Liverpool he's completely overhauled the squad and spent a net £64 million which sees them arguably have a worse squad than before. He's bought dross player after dross player, has no idea what his best team is or even what formation he wants to play. The fact Liverpool have scrambled a few points together masks the fact that they have no system, have bought terribly this summer and didn't buy at all in their biggest problem area in CM. They're playing 4 CB's at home to Saints, then 3 at the back the next week, they are all over the place and only recently their full first team was played off the park at home to Notts County!

His interviews are a joke where he just talks utter shit!

Bloke is a joke!

 

[sloth]

Andre Villas Boas

Pansy!!

 

[sloth]

Yes.

Next.

So we've mainly established you're not delusional in general, so it's just something about Rodgers and Martinez, in which can you tell me why despite me listing a whole load of facts which show Martinez to have basically been average (albeit with mitigating circumstances), whereas Rodgers has generally been excellent (albeit with fake tan, and management speak issues), you nonetheless stick your fingers in your ears and la, la, la? Or is it that you contend despite the evidence that Martinez was responsible for Rodger's success at Swansea? In which case on what basis?

 

[sloth]

Well, yes obviously it's an assumption, hence the fact I said "almost certainly". Its no different though to the assumption that, had Paulhino made it 2-0 we would have won the game.

Almost certainly is a strong assumption. The odds would have reflected that the draw was probably at 70% or so. So in fact if we're making assumptions the correct one would be that almost certainly they wouldn't have won.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

So we've mainly established you're not delusional in general, so it's just something about Rodgers and Martinez, in which can you tell me why despite me listing a whole load of facts which show Martinez to have basically been average (albeit with mitigating circumstances), whereas Rodgers has generally been excellent (albeit with fake tan, and management speak issues), you nonetheless stick your fingers in your ears and la, la, la? Or is it that you contend despite the evidence that Martinez was responsible for Rodger's success at Swansea? In which case on what basis?

Because it's bollocks you statty fanboy.

Next.

LALALALALALALALALALALALA.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I've said it all before, there is no evidence to a a Rodgers philosophy, he struggled at Watford, was shit at Reading and was lucky to get the Swansea job. Swansea were favourites for promotion when he arrived there and he didn't do anything great to get the best group of players promoted via the play offs.

His was a negative defence first approach via possession based on trying not to concede rather than score in the Premiership, which was ok but nothing special.

At Liverpool he's completely overhauled the squad and spent a net £64 million which sees them arguably have a worse squad than before. He's bought dross player after dross player, has no idea what his best team is or even what formation he wants to play. The fact Liverpool have scrambled a few points together masks the fact that they have no system, have bought terribly this summer and didn't buy at all in their biggest problem area in CM. They're playing 4 CB's at home to Saints, then 3 at the back the next week, they are all over the place and only recently their full first team was played off the park at home to Notts County!

His interviews are a joke where he just talks utter shit!

Bloke is a joke!

I don't think Rodgers is a joke, he's actually had a pretty tough upbringing and has done well to convince people to give him a job.

But I think as a person he comes across as a complete bellend.

 

[Legend10]

I don't think Rodgers is a joke, he's actually had a pretty tough upbringing and has done well to convince people to give him a job.

But I think as a person he comes across as a complete bellend.

To be honest I couldn't give a toss about his upbringing, lots of people have tough ones.

I will concede that he's done well to convince people to give him a job, because I can't see what he he'll anybody would do that for!

 

[al_pacino]

Without getting into all this I'm not sure the people at Watford thought his time there was a failure. In fact they were very disappointed when he went to Reading(where he did tank spectacularly).

 

[dagraham]

Almost certainly is a strong assumption. The odds would have reflected that the draw was probably at 70% or so. So in fact if we're making assumptions the correct one would be that almost certainly they wouldn't have won.

I don't care what the odds would have been. I was there as always in the East Lower block 28 row 11 and from that vantage point you can see the way a game is playing out. You might not get as clear a view of some incidents as you do on TV but you can get a better feel for the game and players and see the whites of the players eyes so to speak. And believe me, Chelsea were all over us like a rash, we were panicking in posssion and Chelsea smelt blood. They may not have been peppering our goal but that was only due to our admittedly well drilled off side trap. Despite this, they still got through on numerous occasions and the only thing that would have saved us is time running out.

If we are going to be pedantic I used the phrase "almost certainly" as a way to emphasize my point rather than a scientific evaluation of the probablities of events.

We may have held on for the draw but I've seen enough football over the years to know that it was more likely we'd have lost.

 

[sloth]

I don't care what the odds would have been. I was there as always in the East Lower block 28 row 11 and from that vantage point you can see the way a game is playing out. You might not get as clear a view of some incidents as you do on TV but you can get a better feel for the game and players and see the whites of the players eyes so to speak. And believe me, Chelsea were all over us like a rash, we were panicking in posssion and Chelsea smelt blood. They may not have been peppering our goal but that was only due to our admittedly well drilled off side trap. Despite this, they still got through on numerous occasions and the only thing that would have saved us is time running out.

If we are going to be pedantic I used the phrase "almost certainly" as a way to emphasize my point rather than a scientific evaluation of the probablities of events.

We may have held on for the draw but I've seen enough football over the years to know that it was more likely we'd have lost.

I own a business which creates mathematical models for predicting games of football, to make our money we rely on the legions of amateur punters sitting at home, watching games of football, totally over-estimating the likelihood of a winner or equaliser.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I've said it all before, there is no evidence to a a Rodgers philosophy, he struggled at Watford, was shit at Reading and was lucky to get the Swansea job. Swansea were favourites for promotion when he arrived there and he didn't do anything great to get the best group of players promoted via the play offs.

His was a negative defence first approach via possession based on trying not to concede rather than score in the Premiership, which was ok but nothing special.

At Liverpool he's completely overhauled the squad and spent a net £64 million which sees them arguably have a worse squad than before. He's bought dross player after dross player, has no idea what his best team is or even what formation he wants to play. The fact Liverpool have scrambled a few points together masks the fact that they have no system, have bought terribly this summer and didn't buy at all in their biggest problem area in CM. They're playing 4 CB's at home to Saints, then 3 at the back the next week, they are all over the place and only recently their full first team was played off the park at home to Notts County!

His interviews are a joke where he just talks utter shit!

Bloke is a joke!

I think that is wildly unfair L10.

Swansea have been doing things the right way for a decade now and Rodgers was part of that, from near relegation to the conference to European qualification they have instilled a philosophy, stuck to it and recruited those who bought into it, and as a club they have progressed because of this. They now have an absolute gem in Laudrup, who i'm sure will be sounded out by some very big sides soon.

I admire Rodgers because he was determined to work his way up as a coach with no playing career to speak of, and all this playing a brand of football that was so distrusted in the UK. I think that at the very least deserves credit.

He got recruited by Jose Mourinho, he studied the game, learned languages, visited Spanish/Dutch teams to see how they did things which helped shape his way of doing things. This should be commended, and is a lesson to a lot of British coaches who are lazy and unwilling to push themselves, to study the game - particularly ex-players here.

Of course there will be bumpy rides, find me a coach who hasn't, but I think he's done incredibly well and I have enjoyed watching his sides play.

A little management speak, big deal. Clueless? Not at all.

 

[Legend10]

I think that is wildly unfair L10.

Swansea have been doing things the right way for a decade now and Rodgers was part of that, from near relegation to the conference to European qualification they have instilled a philosophy, stuck to it and recruited those who bought into it, and as a club they have progressed because of this. They now have an absolute gem in Laudrup, who i'm sure will be sounded out by some very big sides soon.

I admire Rodgers because he was determined to work his way up as a coach with no playing career to speak of, and all this playing a brand of football that was so distrusted in the UK. I think that at the very least deserves credit.

He got recruited by Jose Mourinho, he studied the game, learned languages, visited Spanish/Dutch teams to see how they did things which helped shape his way of doing things. This should be commended, and is a lesson to a lot of British coaches who are lazy and unwilling to push themselves, to study the game - particularly ex-players here.

Of course there will be bumpy rides, find me a coach who hasn't, but I think he's done incredibly well and I have enjoyed watching his sides play.

A little management speak, big deal. Clueless? Not at all.

Show me a manager who hasn't spent time abroad or entertained overseas managers at their own clubs? All managers and coaches do it, it's par for the course, nothing to get excited about at all, they've all been there done that and wear the badge.

As has been said before Swansea were promotion favourites when he went there and he didn't install there way of playing, he just stuck with it and then adapted it too a more defensive possession game in the Premiership, which as I have said is fair enough.

But managers at the bigger clubs ultimately succeed or fail due to their work in the transfer markets and this is where Rodgers is clueless! Aspas is quite possibly already the worst signing for £8 million in a Premier league history, he is a truly limited footballer who isn't worth even close to that sum, he's actually a joke. But Aspas aside a Rodgers has Spent a net £64 million at Liverpool and ended up with a worse and thinner squad than what he started with. And even with such a vast outlay and having recruited 15 of his own players ( no CM I might add this summer) to add to the likes of Suarez, Gerrard, Lucas & Agger he has no idea what system he wants to play and has offered up 3 different ones in their last 3 Prem games. A total lack of planning, foresight or reasoning what he's buying each player for.

He has no idea what he's doing in the transfer market and he's left Liverpool IMHO weaker than Everton and possibly one or two other surprise teams as well. But the biggest tell for me was watching Notts County football wise play a full strength team off the park at Anfield a few weeks ago. Despite Liverpool obviously having better players all over the pitch county completely out footballed them and only lost due to gassing.

A few undeserved results are currently papering over the Rodgers induced cracks at Liverpool and will continue to do so with Palace at home this weekend, but let's watch this space unfold!