Santiago Giménez

[Archibald&Crooks]

Linked by fuck knows, I can't keep up

 

[mill]

Need some pills the same colour as your background

 

[arunspurs]

Some discussion on the rumour in ESPN with their N American bias

 

[Cochise]

Not a fan (i know a fair few feel the same on here). Just doesn't look that technically polished for someone that would command a £40+ million fee.

 

[arunspurs]

Most here think he is same as Jansen. Jansen couldn’t dribble , can’t run faster, he had decent link up & hold up play which wasn’t good enough. Aerially also he wasn’t good.

Giminez is very much opposite type. He can link & hold up well, aerially very good probably better than even Richy. He can dribble well and move past … ofcourse finish and score from 6 yards or 30 yards out.

Question really is how quickly he can adapt and for that how much we value & pay him. At 40m or less he is a great buy.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

We’d basically be dropping £40m on a striker no better than Richarlison. We’d be looking for a new striker again by the following season imo (if we are serious about competing at the top).

 

[arunspurs]

We’d basically be dropping £40m on a striker no better than Richarlison. We’d be looking for a new striker again by the following season imo (if we are serious about competing at the top).

I don’t agree - IMO , he is better than Richarlison. Richy is streakish and even when he scores doesn’t always play well - as in doesn’t get into more scoring positions or finish well

I can’t remember one Richy finish where he went through in goal and he finished 1v1.

In that sense, Giminez is potentially miles ahead

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

I don’t agree - IMO , he is better than Richarlison. Richy is streakish and even when he scores doesn’t always play well - as in doesn’t get into more scoring positions or finish well

I can’t remember one Richy finish where he went through in goal and he finished 1v1.

In that sense, Giminez is potentially miles ahead

Could argue Gimenez is streaky too. Just 3 league goals in 13 games since the turn of the year and that’s in the Dutch league.

I really don’t think he’s near good enough for the level we want to get to.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I don’t agree - IMO , he is better than Richarlison. Richy is streakish and even when he scores doesn’t always play well - as in doesn’t get into more scoring positions or finish well

I can’t remember one Richy finish where he went through in goal and he finished 1v1.

In that sense, Giminez is potentially miles ahead

I'd rather have Richi - who does a lot of other things required of the position - and that helps the team, and helps others score.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Didn’t realise we had a thread. This should probably go in here rather then the scouting thread.

I'd say Gimenez is pretty much your atypical modern day fox in the box tbh. His best skill is drifting into the blind spot of defender and finding pockets of space in the penalty area, it’s where he comes alive. Most of his goals are ether first time or one touch and shoot from inside the area.

Probably the best fox in the box in Europe at the moment is Lautaro but he has the benefit of a strike partner allowing him more space and less focus and even he does a lot of work outside of the area. If anything he has developed his game significantly to have an all rounded skill set and is even capable of striking well from distance. Something that he wasn’t the best at when he first moved to Inter, Still he is an expert at disappearing in the box and popping up exactly where he needs to be. The fact he has so many headed goals despite his size perfectly highlights this.

If your going to play as lone CF in possession heavy team that spend a lot of time with the ball in opposition area you have to be a little more dynamic in your approach which Santi is but i'd still 100% categories him as a fox in the box rather then a target man, dummy runner or a classical centre forward. His movement in the area is by far his strongest attribute even if its to open up space for his team mates.

Perfect example of this is Feyenoords recent 6-0 trashing for Ajax, Santi only got one rather lucky assist and no goals despite the score line but look at his movement in the box (see below). He is constantly dropping off his marker, finding pockets and making blindsided runs. Pretty much exactly what you expect from a fox in the box.

My main concern with Santi is his finishing, I've never been convinced by it. He can be a very inconstant striker of the ball and often technically lacking. He also at times lacks composure and will miss chances he really shouldn’t. Aside from that his touch can be heavy and although he is a decent dribbler in a tough league he could struggle in this area. Obviously he’s only just 23 and has a lot of space to improve I just worry that the step up in speed and the significantly higher level of defending (I can’t stress enough how poor it is in the Eredivisie) will cause him a lot of problems.

Obviously we have been scouting him a very long time so if we think he is the one then we have to put faith in our belief in his ability but I’m not entirely convinced.

 

[RJR1949]

I don’t agree - IMO , he is better than Richarlison. Richy is streakish and even when he scores doesn’t always play well - as in doesn’t get into more scoring positions or finish well

I can’t remember one Richy finish where he went through in goal and he finished 1v1.

In that sense, Giminez is potentially miles ahead

Ricky is very good defensively when we don’t have the ball. Yes, it’s not the most important asset for a forward but it matters.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

I’m not going to pretend I’ve seen much of Gimenez but from the outside, it’s a classic Spurs signing. Scouted him since before the current managers been in the job. Not in great form, probably not too much competition and likely fairly cheap for a centre forward.

If he comes it might work out but this is why we’ll more than likely not get over the line with ENIC. Still about trying to look for value over football opportunity. This summer, centre forward is a position were we should go for a surer thing and if that costs more then so be it. It’s a crucial position to get the attack clicking

going by others description of him, I’m not sure he’s the type of forward we’re missing either. We’re desperate for one who excels back to goal, can drop in the hole at times, good feet, good link up and combination play with midfielders and wide players and then has some presence in the box. Unless we get top notch wingers/midfielders just being a penalty box striker isn’t going to cut it imo.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

I haven't seen anything of him but if you see how Ange used Furuhashi it wasn't dropping into pockets or holding the ball up. He sat on the shoulder of the centre back and forced them as deep as possible to create spaces in behind for all the other attackers to exploit. He wasn't a goal machine but he was good around the 6yd box and penalty spot. That's not Richarlison but does sound like Gimenez.

 

[McFlash]

I’m not going to pretend I’ve seen much of Gimenez but from the outside, it’s a classic Spurs signing. Scouted him since before the current managers been in the job. Not in great form, probably not too much competition and likely fairly cheap for a centre forward.

If he comes it might work out but this is why we’ll more than likely not get over the line with ENIC. Still about trying to look for value over football opportunity. This summer, centre forward is a position were we should go for a surer thing and if that costs more then so be it. It’s a crucial position to get the attack clicking

going by others description of him, I’m not sure he’s the type of forward we’re missing either. We’re desperate for one who excels back to goal, can drop in the hole at times, good feet, good link up and combination play with midfielders and wide players and then has some presence in the box. Unless we get top notch wingers/midfielders just being a penalty box striker isn’t going to cut it imo.

I suppose there are two ways of looking at this and with our history, it's easy to see through negative eyes but...

If we are now being led by stats based scouting of players and trying to find a common philosophy for the club to stick to, this is surely a good thing that we have long standing targets because they suit the style we want to play and whichever manager we get will also adhere to that style.

It's better than lurching from manager to manager, style to style and having to completely rebuild the squad every time a manager goes.

If it was still Levy and "the committee" picking the targets, I'd be concerned but if it's Paratici and the new team, hopefully it's being done with one eye on the bigger picture and where we want to be.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

I haven't seen anything of him but if you see how Ange used Furuhashi it wasn't dropping into pockets or holding the ball up. He sat on the shoulder of the centre back and forced them as deep as possible to create spaces in behind for all the other attackers to exploit. He wasn't a goal machine but he was good around the 6yd box and penalty spot. That's not Richarlison but does sound like Gimenez.

From what I saw of Celtic he got involved in some build up play as well running in behind too but sounds like Gimenez doesn’t have that acceleration/running ability. You also have to take into account Celtic are on a different level to everyone bar Rangers in that league so you can afford something a bit more 1 dimensional. As a central lone forward for us and the premier league think you need a bit more to your game.

 

[Viking78]

I haven't seen anything of him but if you see how Ange used Furuhashi it wasn't dropping into pockets or holding the ball up. He sat on the shoulder of the centre back and forced them as deep as possible to create spaces in behind for all the other attackers to exploit. He wasn't a goal machine but he was good around the 6yd box and penalty spot. That's not Richarlison but does sound like Gimenez.

I agree on this. One of Gimenez's biggest assets is his ability to create space for teammates. That won't show up in stats.
It could potentially free up Son and Johnson from the wide positions.
He's possibly more than a team player than Richy, who works hard but he's also a bit maverick.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

I haven't seen anything of him but if you see how Ange used Furuhashi it wasn't dropping into pockets or holding the ball up. He sat on the shoulder of the centre back and forced them as deep as possible to create spaces in behind for all the other attackers to exploit. He wasn't a goal machine but he was good around the 6yd box and penalty spot. That's not Richarlison but does sound like Gimenez.

Kyogo was a goal machine though. He scored 27 goals in 31 games for Ange.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Kyogo was a goal machine though. He scored 27 goals in 31 games for Ange.

That team dominated and created a huge amount of chances, he's nowhere near those numbers under Rodgers, which shows he was an Ange type forward

 

[h2005]

Would have hoped our sights would have been a little bit higher. Seems like a middle of the road striker and someone coming in as a squad player rather than someone that improves our best 11.

 

[Trent Crimm]

Was great in Goal 1. But when he moved to RM he was shit.