Rose: Jose Mourinho didn't give me same chance at Tottenham as others

davidmatzdorf

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TBF IMO it's understandable (I say this as someone who has occasionally suffered.) The word 'depression' is misused in the same way that 'flu' is misused for a common cold.
I sometimes wonder if it might be time for a new word to be used instead.
That's a bloody good idea. Tbf I'm guilty of saying "I'm depressed" totally out of context or maybe "I'm a bit OCD about that" when clearly I'm not.
For awhile, it sort of worked to distinguish by saying "clinical depression", but the whole field of discussion has become too pop-science to do that now.

I try to avoid using it at all, except when referring to the genuine illness. I'll say "I'm feeling a bit down", rather than "depressed". My own personal experience with real depression was in my adolescence, never since. Once you've been there, you know the difference forever.

As for the misuse of "OCD", people with obsessive compulsive disorder say that the thing that really frustrates them is the media focus (I nearly said "obsession") on slightly comical daily-life compulsions. The thing that really tortures people who have OCD isn't so much the compulsive behaviour, it's the obsessive thoughts that they cannot drive away. Dumbing down their illness is very disrespectful, in the same way that people used to synonimise schizophrenia with "split personality".
 

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The full interview is here


There's really nothing to it.
Other than for the same people to make the same unwarranted complaints about Rose over and over again.

You could just as well interpret that as a player having some regrets as to his inability to get back to his best.

Only thing I disagree with him about is him not getting a shot at playing. Maybe he could have gotten a couple of more chances, Aurier and Vertonghen has also had some ÷^÷^#^^ while still getting to play, but Rose has been very poor under Mourinho. Really no hiding from that.
 

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I'm the first to get irate when Danny runs to the media but he doesn't actually say anything wrong here, the headline is massively misleading and borderline negligent to the slanderous effects it will have on both player and manager. Rose actually comments positively about Mourinho/ his work so far, and admits to not having been the player he'd like to be. I don't like the guy, but this interview is fine.
 

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man is a millionaire, playing football everyday and he is depressed
Maybe hes 30 and had other dreams? Like meeting a girl, having kids, maybe hes lonely? who knows, Stop judging people. Other than the money hes not that different to anyone else here. He was on the verge of becoming one of the best LB's in Europe, Rose and Walker were arguably one of the best full back pairings in the world at one point. Players have to make peace with alot of things in a very short career. Look at the state of Jan the other night. Hes prob the best LB we had Spurs since I been watching for 25 years and he could have been one of the very best in the league, must play alot on a players mind.
 

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Maybe hes 30 and had other dreams? Like meeting a girl, having kids, maybe hes lonely? who knows.
Ok so being rich doesn't mean you can't be depressed. Though being wealthy with depression is easier than being poor with depression. Simply because depression has the possibility of serious material consequences that wealth essentially dilutes. So I agree, don't be like he's rich he cant be depressed blablabla.

But individual things, failed dreams etc are rarely the cause of depression. Sometimes a trigger but rarely the cause. It's really not as simple as one event. I've had two bouts of depression, the first time the trigger was looking at my brother pour hot water on an anthill. But this was simply a trigger which came in the context of a period of my life with a lot of change, a lot of unknowns and fair deal of stress as well as general existential anguish. The causes of depression are complicated and they can rarely be summarised as coming from one thing and often come from long term stresses and whatnot, as well as just certain kind of attitudes and personality and, yes, also genetics . There are a lot of people who are depressed who have no idea why or how they ended up like that. A lot of people can't articulate why and, again, it's normally a accumulation of lots of things not just one or two things that make you sad.

Also, I think the reason I felt the need to reply to this post is that when you are depressed, your dreams go out the window, forget about wanting to meet a girl, having kids or just dealing with people in general. The instinct is to withdraw inside yourself and in my experience leaves you with a lack of any motivation at all. I mean don't get me wrong these are all part and potential triggers of depression, but it just feels simplistic.
 

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Ok so being rich doesn't mean you can't be depressed. Though being wealthy with depression is easier than being poor with depression. Simply because depression has the possibility of serious material consequences that wealth essentially dilutes. So I agree, don't be like he's rich he cant be depressed blablabla.

But individual things, failed dreams etc are rarely the cause of depression. Sometimes a trigger but rarely the cause. It's really not as simple as one event. I've had two bouts of depression, the first time the trigger was looking at my brother pour hot water on an anthill. But this was simply a trigger which came in the context of a period of my life with a lot of change, a lot of unknowns and fair deal of stress as well as general existential anguish. The causes of depression are complicated and they can rarely be summarised as coming from one thing and often come from long term stresses and whatnot, as well as just certain kind of attitudes and personality and, yes, also genetics . There are a lot of people who are depressed who have no idea why or how they ended up like that. A lot of people can't articulate why and, again, it's normally a accumulation of lots of things not just one or two things that make you sad.

Also, I think the reason I felt the need to reply to this post is that when you are depressed, your dreams go out the window, forget about wanting to meet a girl, having kids or just dealing with people in general. The instinct is to withdraw inside yourself and in my experience leaves you with a lack of any motivation at all. I mean don't get me wrong these are all part and potential triggers of depression, but it just feels simplistic.
I didnt mention depression in my post because I really have no exopertise in the matter the guy i quoted did
 

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Don't read the headline, don't read the spin. This is the important sentence in that interview:

"I'd love to be the player I was three years ago when I was doing well. I thought I would return to become that player after the injury, but I had a rude awakening."

Rose doesn't lie and doesn't bullshit. Not to himself and not to the press.
I agree. I listened to the interview, he didn't sound bitter, he appeared to be honest about his own shortcomings
 

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When I was younger I played at quite a good level at both Gaelic & Soccer. My first injury was when I was 17 to the ankle I came back after 17 months and played at the same level as previously with no issues. At 28 I had a serious knee injury kept me out for 12 months, I came back with the same mindset I had at 17 but it was just not there ended up retiring. So I can understand Danny's rude awakening.
 

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Some woefully ignorant comments on here about mental health and depression as well as some very informed ones. I don’t know Rose’s situation in any depth, but I do know that assuming someone can’t be depressed because they are financially well off is a bit like assuming someone can’t be physically ill with diabetes because they‘re financially well off. Yes the person with greater means probably, depending on their lifestyle, has a greater chance of avoiding the illness altogether as well as being able to afford better treatment etc. But we wouldn’t accuse someone who happens to be rich with diabetes as making it up. The same should go for mental health.
 
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The thing is, millions of people have mental health problems and aren’t dicks. He’s just a dick I’m afraid. Mental health problem or not, it doesn’t mean you have to behave like he does. He’s always played with a chip on his shoulder and over the last couple of years has shown his true colours.
Millions of people do have mental health problems. I have a fairly serious problem with anxiety and sometimes that anxiety develops into depression.

I'm a "dick" to a lot of people, those people who know me tend not to think I am. I give a generally poor first impression of myself a lot of the time.

Danny Rose has made some poor decisions, but being someone who suffers from General Anxiety Disorder, I can tell you that having a chip on your shoulder is something people have told me I have for years. I don't - I do present as someone with a "fuck you all" attitude, but the mental illness I (and Danny Rose) suffer from, make it incredibly difficult when it's bad, to keep a clear head, make rational decisions but most of all, to properly express yourself. Anxiety and depression are incredibly difficult for people to understand because unless you have suffered from a mental illness, you simply cannot understand the difference between a healthy mind and a depressed one. They are like having two personalities that are constantly battling with each other. You are always with anxiety searching for "the truth" or "rationale" to every conceivable part of your life - Danny has a lot of pressure on him as a footballer in the spotlight. Trying to manage his mental illness and his career would be incredibly difficult. Mental illness will make you behave like a dick - not all the time, but there's moments I look back over the last 18 months and I could fucking slap myself. But I don't. Because a huge part of managing an illness like Anxiety Disorder and Depression, is having the ability to forgive yourself and to move forward, always.

I have a huge amount of respect for Danny Rose. In the interview he's introspective and people here are admiring of that - yeah guys, it's probably his mental illness that has caused him to become introspective. He's been battling with himself for a number of years and if he's at the point where he's taking stock and being truthful - then he's on the mend.

He might be a dick - he might not - all I would say is, nobody knows, but we should all have the good fucking grace to realize that mental illness changes people - it changes their outlook, their personalities and often it changes their motivations in life. None of us know the first fucking thing about what Danny's gone through and as supporters of the club we could do a lot better for a human being who was with us for nearly a decade, was an ever present in the last few really beautiful years of this team and if you don't think he deserves your respect, you can at least have the good grace to realise that there's more to Danny's personality than a few media interviews and that he's been battling and mostly winning a long, difficult fight with a really debilitating mental illness.

The biggest problem for people with mental health issues is the stigma attached. The stigma that sees posters like the guy before who said something like "Millionaire and still depressed." All I would say is, if you don't understand mental illness, then have the good grace to not fire barely informed potshots at people that do. It really doesn't help.
 
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